DUST Search - FW Wheres it going Next?

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Guinevere Bravo wrote:

So with Factional Warfare we can now see what we are actully doing by winning/ losing fights! GJ CCP Brings the integration that next step closer.

So now that we have laid the foundations what next?

Well things id like to see;

FW LP (Loyalty points), So for every win you receive the amount of loyalty points equal to your war points (Just an example!)

Then we need a shop ato spend all of these lovely LPs in!

So what can we seed the FW market with? OFFICER WEAPONS! OFFICER TANKS! OFFICER DROPSUITS! (I can dream.. aye?)

id also like a way to maybe save enough LP to buy the odd booster, maybe only have 1 and 3 day boosters on there for crazy LP but at the end of the day it would be nice if we can have people who cant afford AUR to be able to keep up.

Id also like to see some variants of AUR weapons on the LP store so we can try before we buy, but only if you have earned it!

Eh, I'm against Officer weapons being available for LP/Standings...

I'd much prefer aurum variants specific to faction. Spend LP/Standings and get a Prototype Assault Rifle that performs the same but requires Operation 3 with an awesome weapon skin. This would give incentive for new players and old players for different reasons.

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Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 391	Posted - 2013.09.17 11:28:00 - [1] - Quote So with Factional Warfare we can now see what we are actully doing by winning/ losing fights! GJ CCP Brings the integration that next step closer. So now that we have laid the foundations what next? Well things id like to see; FW LP (Loyalty points), So for every win you receive the amount of loyalty points equal to your war points (Just an example!) Then we need a shop ato spend all of these lovely LPs in! So what can we seed the FW market with? OFFICER WEAPONS! OFFICER TANKS! OFFICER DROPSUITS! (I can dream.. aye?) id also like a way to maybe save enough LP to buy the odd booster, maybe only have 1 and 3 day boosters on there for crazy LP but at the end of the day it would be nice if we can have people who cant afford AUR to be able to keep up. Id also like to see some variants of AUR weapons on the LP store so we can try before we buy, but only if you have earned it!
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 178	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:10:00 - [2] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: So what can we seed the FW market with? OFFICER WEAPONS! OFFICER TANKS! OFFICER DROPSUITS! (I can dream.. aye?) I can see an LP store with Faction items, slightly better than Proto (PG/CPU etc.) but not as good as Officer (damage). Can't wait to sport a Fleet Issue Dropsuit :P

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1907	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:11:00 - [3] - Quote Paging CCP FoxFour to this thread... CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 178	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:13:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Paging CCP FoxFour to this thread... Win GÖÑ
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1204	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:13:00 - [5] - Quote Go Go CCp................................................
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2949	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:15:00 - [6] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: So with Factional Warfare we can now see what we are actully doing by winning/ losing fights! GJ CCP Brings the integration that next step closer. So now that we have laid the foundations what next? Well things id like to see; FW LP (Loyalty points), So for every win you receive the amount of loyalty points equal to your war points (Just an example!) Then we need a shop ato spend all of these lovely LPs in! So what can we seed the FW market with? OFFICER WEAPONS! OFFICER TANKS! OFFICER DROPSUITS! (I can dream.. aye?) id also like a way to maybe save enough LP to buy the odd booster, maybe only have 1 and 3 day boosters on there for crazy LP but at the end of the day it would be nice if we can have people who cant afford AUR to be able to keep up. Id also like to see some variants of AUR weapons on the LP store so we can try before we buy, but only if you have earned it! Eh, I'm against Officer weapons being available for LP/Standings... I'd much prefer aurum variants specific to faction. Spend LP/Standings and get a Prototype Assault Rifle that performs the same but requires Operation 3 with an awesome weapon skin. This would give incentive for new players and old players for different reasons.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 669	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:37:00 - [7] - Quote Foxfour said True Grit has 2 big things coming in 1.5. I'm assuming something pertaining to FW is one of them, though what exactly it will be is unknown.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1073	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:39:00 - [8] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Foxfour said True Grit has 2 big things coming in 1.5. I'm assuming something pertaining to FW is one of them, though what exactly it will be is unknown. Corporation roles and a squad finder are confirmed to be in 1.5. I'm not sure if Team True Grit has anything else major for 1.5.
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 609	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:39:00 - [9] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Foxfour said True Grit has 2 big things coming in 1.5. I'm assuming something pertaining to FW is one of them, though what exactly it will be is unknown. Corp roles is one of them methinks.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 669	Posted - 2013.09.17 12:41:00 - [10] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: Foxfour said True Grit has 2 big things coming in 1.5. I'm assuming something pertaining to FW is one of them, though what exactly it will be is unknown. Corporation roles and a squad finder are confirmed to be in 1.5. I'm not sure if Team True Grit has anything else major for 1.5. Pretty lame if those are it. The squad finder sounds interesting...if you're still in an NPC corp.

RedZer0 MK1 Opus Arcana 44	Posted - 2013.09.17 15:44:00 - [11] - Quote For FW to be the inbetween step for pubs an PC. Higher stakes, bigger rewards.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2085	Posted - 2013.09.17 15:52:00 - [12] - Quote Needs Factionalised Loot Standings Militia System Commander Mode Meaning in an EVE based Context.- Holding Planets spreads Influence for our factions, location and battlefield selection, dust side Hub Bashing game mode to take planets, bonuses to EVE and dust pilots for successful control, etc
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 379	Posted - 2013.09.17 16:18:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: So with Factional Warfare we can now see what we are actully doing by winning/ losing fights! GJ CCP Brings the integration that next step closer. So now that we have laid the foundations what next? Well things id like to see; FW LP (Loyalty points), So for every win you receive the amount of loyalty points equal to your war points (Just an example!) Then we need a shop ato spend all of these lovely LPs in! So what can we seed the FW market with? OFFICER WEAPONS! OFFICER TANKS! OFFICER DROPSUITS! (I can dream.. aye?) id also like a way to maybe save enough LP to buy the odd booster, maybe only have 1 and 3 day boosters on there for crazy LP but at the end of the day it would be nice if we can have people who cant afford AUR to be able to keep up. Id also like to see some variants of AUR weapons on the LP store so we can try before we buy, but only if you have earned it! Eh, I'm against Officer weapons being available for LP/Standings... I'd much prefer aurum variants specific to faction. Spend LP/Standings and get a Prototype Assault Rifle that performs the same but requires Operation 3 with an awesome weapon skin. This would give incentive for new players and old players for different reasons. What about a Faction variant of the weapon - something that is between the power of a Prototype and an Officer weapon? That way, Officer weapons keep their high meta level (rarity) and damage, and Faction is still something to grind for that you can't simply just buy with ISK, giving people some incentive and a selection of an end-game to grind and win (Faction Warfare). If you make the Faction variants marginally better than the Prototype equivalent, it will make people still more conservative of them, but at least you have something different to see on the battlefield and kill (plus, remember guys, if you kill someone with a high meta level weapon such as this or an officer weapon, you score more ISK for your team [assuming the ISK gained in battle is a result of destroying people/vehicles/installations]), this will add a lot of fun and variety on the field, and would give people a reason to play after capping out their weekly SP or logging in to get the log-on SP that was added in 1.4. Aside from these reasons, I typically have no reason to play this game, since there is absolutely no incentive when you have enough ISK to buy whatever you need. You implement this system, CCP, and I will throw my wallet at you (not individual bills), and you can expect to see me online every damn day (This or PVE would work wonderfully, and perhaps I might not buy any more games if Dust 514 fulfills all of my needs/expectations). Just my 2 cents. -AM Quick Edit: I just thought after I made this post; Do you (CCP) have retroactive data on people's stats for Faction Warfare, such as WP, kills, wins/losses, etc.? It would be awesome if we could grind now and see a result of our efforts when a system like this comes out in the future.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1841	Posted - 2013.09.17 16:44:00 - [14] - Quote Last I read, Fox Four was not in favor of Loyalty points, saying that this game shouldn't have to be a mirror of EVE which I completely agree with. Loyalty points, meh. Just another currency. I would say make it a little more interesting than a form of currency. For instance, there should be "Officer Maps" (to please the OP) from each faction that are not able to be played until you have played enough battles for said faction consecutively. The benefit of these maps is that grant much more rare/expensive salvage and bigger ISK payday at the end, as well as the chance to play a rare map! Because Loyalty points are only good for a faction's stuff but if you are like me, and use a soup of gear, ISK is better.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1317	Posted - 2013.09.17 16:51:00 - [15] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Last I read, Fox Four was not in favor of Loyalty points, saying that this game shouldn't have to be a mirror of EVE which I completely agree with. Loyalty points, meh. Just another currency. I would say make it a little more interesting than a form of currency. For instance, there should be "Officer Maps" (to please the OP) from each faction that are not able to be played until you have played enough battles for said faction consecutively. The benefit of these maps is that grant much more rare/expensive salvage and bigger ISK payday at the end, as well as the chance to play a rare map! Because Loyalty points are only good for a faction's stuff but if you are like me, and use a soup of gear, ISK is better. Don't want to fight for the Amarr to get special edition Scramber Pistols?
postmanclark2 Seraphim Initiative.. 22	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:05:00 - [16] - Quote Faction warfare at the moment = scrub warfare. Just played 4 games in a row in the game mode (first time for quite a while) and I can honestly say, that is the worst bunch of blueberries and redberries I have seen in the game. We were the only full squad in all of the games. Atm in terms of difficulty in game modes PC > ambush > domination > > skirmish > FW. I thought CCP were positioning FW for being the middle of the road, in terms of risk and reward. Seems to me it needs a big overhaul. More risk and more reward I think would solve the problem. Risk being the ability to drop a whole linked team into one side of the battle; plus friendly fire on. Reward an increase in payout only for winning though - losing is the same or less payout than an instant battle, an increase in officer salvage and salvage from the opposite team, similar to PC.
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 381	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:05:00 - [17] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Last I read, Fox Four was not in favor of Loyalty points, saying that this game shouldn't have to be a mirror of EVE which I completely agree with. Loyalty points, meh. Just another currency. I would say make it a little more interesting than a form of currency. For instance, there should be "Officer Maps" (to please the OP) from each faction that are not able to be played until you have played enough battles for said faction consecutively. The benefit of these maps is that grant much more rare/expensive salvage and bigger ISK payday at the end, as well as the chance to play a rare map! Because Loyalty points are only good for a faction's stuff but if you are like me, and use a soup of gear, ISK is better. Don't want to fight for the Amarr to get special edition Scramber Pistols? Hell, I might even fight a bit for Amarr to get a sweet pistol from them, when that time comes.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1841	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:08:00 - [18] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Don't want to fight for the Amarr to get special edition Scramber Pistols? They would have to give me the Khanid Pistols to be worth it.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2074	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:18:00 - [19] - Quote Don't really need Loyalty Points as that is just one more currency to keep track of, but it would be cool if say at certain standings you earned access to special shops which you can use your regular ISK and AUR at.
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 382	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:49:00 - [20] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Don't really need Loyalty Points as that is just one more currency to keep track of, but it would be cool if say at certain standings you earned access to special shops which you can use your regular ISK and AUR at. You are just regurgitating what CCP said about having multiple currencies; if this game is so dull as to only utilize isk and aurum, then I might as well pre-order Destiny, cause this game simply won't have the complexity in user choice (as far as action and methodology) that I thought it was capable of.

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 970	Posted - 2013.09.18 00:24:00 - [21] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: So with Factional Warfare we can now see what we are actully doing by winning/ losing fights! GJ CCP Brings the integration that next step closer. So now that we have laid the foundations what next? Well things id like to see; FW LP (Loyalty points), So for every win you receive the amount of loyalty points equal to your war points (Just an example!) Then we need a shop ato spend all of these lovely LPs in! So what can we seed the FW market with? OFFICER WEAPONS! OFFICER TANKS! OFFICER DROPSUITS! (I can dream.. aye?) id also like a way to maybe save enough LP to buy the odd booster, maybe only have 1 and 3 day boosters on there for crazy LP but at the end of the day it would be nice if we can have people who cant afford AUR to be able to keep up. Id also like to see some variants of AUR weapons on the LP store so we can try before we buy, but only if you have earned it! Im calling hacks!!! I swear I wrote something like this before somewhere on these forums!
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 970	Posted - 2013.09.18 00:28:00 - [22] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Last I read, Fox Four was not in favor of Loyalty points, saying that this game shouldn't have to be a mirror of EVE which I completely agree with. Loyalty points, meh. Just another currency. I would say make it a little more interesting than a form of currency. For instance, there should be "Officer Maps" (to please the OP) from each faction that are not able to be played until you have played enough battles for said faction consecutively. The benefit of these maps is that grant much more rare/expensive salvage and bigger ISK payday at the end, as well as the chance to play a rare map! Because Loyalty points are only good for a faction's stuff but if you are like me, and use a soup of gear, ISK is better. Why not just have faction standings let you unlock access to buy officer gear for a premium price? Like 500k per light assault weapon would probably be a reasonable NPC price until the in game market gets set up. This way you don't get another currency added, but faction loyalty still matters. I want this game to be like eve because the things that eve has in it is what makes it unique (space ships not included).
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1504	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:14:00 - [23] - Quote Foxfour does not care about loyalty points, and instead wants to implement his own obscure system of rewards that he refuses to speak about. You have been warned.
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 255	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:19:00 - [24] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Don't really need Loyalty Points as that is just one more currency to keep track of, but it would be cool if say at certain standings you earned access to special shops which you can use your regular ISK and AUR at. You are just regurgitating what CCP said about having multiple currencies; if this game is so dull as to only utilize isk and aurum, then I might as well pre-order Destiny, cause this game simply won't have the complexity in user choice (as far as action and methodology) that I thought it was capable of. My fear slightly mirrors yours that FW isn't planned on being developed at all because they "don't want to tie us down", but at the same time if you don't have any investments into your actions, your fighting means nothing for the long term. Merc Loyalist PC Player Should all be their own separate play with their own meta game value. Mercs should have the ability to jump where the short term isk leads them, Loyalists should have the ability to get special treatment for their due diligence from their faction, and Planetary Conquest should be able to make/earn the most with the most to lose. If the game doesn't reach this state then the long term skill system will not be fully maximized because of a lack of staying power in the game. The best thing Dust has going for it is what people expect it to turn into, that is Dust's pull right there. If CCP has no plans on implementing standing in FW then it would be in their best interest to not tell us and see how long it would take for us to figure it out.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 672	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:19:00 - [25] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Foxfour does not care about loyalty points, and instead wants to implement his own obscure system of rewards that he refuses to speak about. You have been warned. Haha. People act like 3 forms of currency is the epitome of absurdity. I'm guessing the majority of players don't even use Aurum, and some of us have so much ISK the actual value is pointless, making the currency meaningless. I want another currency to keep track of. I'm trying to think of all the badges and tokens you had in WoW and it was pretty easy to keep all of those straight (until you started getting into late WotLK and everything needed a new type of badge).
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2080	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:21:00 - [26] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Foxfour does not care about loyalty points, and instead wants to implement his own obscure system of rewards that he refuses to speak about. You have been warned. Haha. People act like 3 forms of currency is the epitome of absurdity. I'm guessing the majority of players don't even use Aurum, and some of us have so much ISK the actual value is pointless, making the currency meaningless. I want another currency to keep track of. I'm trying to think of all the badges and tokens you had in WoW and it was pretty easy to keep all of those straight (until you started getting into late WotLK and everything needed a new type of badge). But Loyalty Points actually add 4 new currencies, since 1 Amarr Loyalty Points is definitely not equal to 1 Minmatar Loyalty Point, for example. Also what is so wrong with simply unlocking access to special markets depending on your standing with a faction, and using normal ISK and AUR there?
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2080	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:24:00 - [27] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: If CCP has no plans on implementing standing in FW then it would be in their best interest to not tell us and see how long it would take for us to figure it out. Standings are coming, don't worry.
Telleth Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 137	Posted - 2013.09.18 01:54:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: But Loyalty Points actually add 4 new currencies, since 1 Amarr Loyalty Points is definitely not equal to 1 Minmatar Loyalty Point, for example. Also what is so wrong with simply unlocking access to special markets depending on your standing with a faction, and using normal ISK and AUR there? I like that idea quite a lot, the market sells very equivalent racial gear. Maybe a slight buff (very slight) over a normal weapon and sell it at the same price as the normal weapon. Think faction ammo in EVE. A certain standing level unlocks adv and proto gear. Also saves CCP Wolfman from trying to think up of a ton of new officer names for all the vehicles/weapons. Originally I was thinking of just selling the same gear at a discount, but when player trading opens up it would be a market breaker.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 694	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:56:00 - [29] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: But Loyalty Points actually add 4 new currencies, since 1 Amarr Loyalty Points is definitely not equal to 1 Minmatar Loyalty Point, for example. Also what is so wrong with simply unlocking access to special markets depending on your standing with a faction, and using normal ISK and AUR there? If you're happy with standings for a faction, then you only need one currency--Loyalty Points. If you don't have the standing with the faction, then the points are useless. You don't need 4 types of currency. And the reason ISK and Aurum aren't a good idea is because more than half the people don't have Aurum, and a lot of us have so much ISK we don't even care about what stuff costs anymore. FW gear shouldn't be something you run every match, be it PC, FW or Pubs, at least in my opinion. It should be something you save for maybe PC battles when you need that small edge, but don't want to use Officer gear because you know you might not get that back any time soon. If I can buy all of the FW gear with ISK, which everyone seems to want to be slightly better than Proto (or else what's the point, really), then every affluent New Eden merc will just run FW all the time and it'll be just that much harder on new players.


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