Snipers are worse than Tank drivers, jesus..

An entire thread devoted to defending the following
- Snipers should be allowed to Redline snipe with no penalty
- Snipers should be allowed to place themselves out of reach of infantry
- Snipers should only be counterable by either other snipers (Rock counters Rock, gg)
- Infantry should have to use dropships to counter snipers, because of course, flying them is easy, and the sniper won't see it coming or run away from the person with the dropship. (Resulting in a 70k+ waste of equipment per attempt)
- While snipers can already hit people going towards objectives, that's not enough. Snipers should have dominance over objective hack points as well, at distances exceeding 400M+
- Scout suits need to be tougher, because they don't have enough HP when using all their high slots to stack damage mods
- (Insert any of the many completely ******** things snipers have posted in this thread in defense of their class being OP)

Tl;Dr - Snipers can get bent, they have it easy enough as it is, and CCP should be applauded by making efforts to even the field, giving foot soldiers the ability to counter snipers.

Don't like a shotgun to the back of the head? It's called situational awareness. Get some. Your kills should not be handed to you on a silver platter with no risk involved.

You're wrong.

The new maps mean that you are going to have MORE 'useless snipers camping on spots far away getting 2 kills per game and doing nothing else.'

I'm not the one with tunnel vision here.

The "sniper spots" are NOT sniper spots, they are TAC AR and Scrambler positions, because those weapons are better suited at those positions and ranges.

No No no! It doesn't feel like an argument with you! I like you! lol

I would LOVE to believe that what you said is the case! It makes perfect sense!

BUT....!

That's not what was indicated by CCP LogicLoop, all he said was that eventually all sockets will adapt the new rule (of X meters by X meters, and total prevention of long range attack on objectives, and that is just NOT fair.)

But if you know something I don't then I salute you.

Bendtner...

Being SHOT while hacking is always stupid, it makes no difference. That isn't solely a sniper problem.

The problems of objective spawning were brought up a long time ago! (But that horse died, along with debate to address numerous other broken aspects of this game....)

I can't believe how many problems people want to pin on snipers right now.


Has anyone even really tried "LONG-RANGE" sniping on the new maps? Not talking just about the sockets, I mean the entire map. There is no covering the objective area from afar.

My definition of long range is beyond 250m.

Nevermind, there is no interest in logic or game balance here. People didn't like something, and now it's gone. End of story.
Game Balance be damned.
I haven't been a dedicated sniper for months anyway, because CCP simply kept breaking it more and more.

Well 90m is plenty fine for an Imperial Scrambler Rifle. o7


Look. I give up alright?
I can't win this.
No one likes Devil's Advocate, and an enemy of the majority is doomed to lose no matter his reasoning.

My indicator said that CCP Logibro made a post on this thread, but now I can't find it.

I'm guessing he changed his mind about saying anything (It probably wasn't a good thing).

I give up. It is what it is alright. So whatever.

Ready to lock this thread.

I am not normally a sniper but feel that it is in need of some sort of a buff terrain wise. Some thing to hide in or behind like that cloak CCP Wolfman promised or the suggested equipment "Dragon's Teeth" would be useful for snipers and provide some cover while they are picking where they are shooting. The whole idea that snipers need pads that CCP seems to have is ludicrous and to be perfectly clear it is completely ridiculous if they are going to protect everyone at the objective from snipers and not going to put a pad that is above the objective with good overwatch ability (like the top of the rings on the city map).

A sniper, by CCP design, has limited visibility close range with his rifle, scope sway at lower levels making moving to a new spot tedious and time consuming, and defenseless against anyone not in their scope's viewfinder. How does CCP want them to function? As a rag doll flopping on the ground waiting for an assault medic to come pick them up for wp? The "Designated Sniper Pads" are just as deadly perches for someone using an AR/MD/Forge/SMG/Knives when going to pick up the dead team mate too and for the one, possibly 2 bullets a sniper can put out from the locations that he needs to use a DS to get to (to subsequently get the thing shot down) are not worth firing for a death and the chance at no kills.

Sniping is a role that thrives on cover and is really designed with finding that perfect sniping cover in mind where you don't have to move for hours on end because movement makes you a target and easier to see in which case you are less effective. Considering we cannot go prone limiting sniper cover is a mistake, a very very bad mistake. In fact cover for all classes of player should be available on every map not just wide open buildings. IRL factories have machines to hide behind, gravel pits and forests have hills to hide behind and possibly some trees around the outside (tree trunks can block a 30/30 round easily enough) and the military in any country on any continent would likely not tell their sniper to "go down on one knee so you can't run and position yourself in the middle of a group of enemies forget about cover son your job is to snipe them before they get close enough to shoot".

The changes to shared squad vision are a big issue, in my mind, as well due to the benefit previously gained by having "eyes up high" to see troop movements. They were an at range spotter that could direct the squad to the enemy groups from anywhere on the map. Now, with the active scan sniper unbuff, we have people running in, scanning running scanning scanning scanning and asking where are the enemies right up until they get within range of the scanner. I find this annoying and would like at least to benefit from shared squad vision. I pay enough for my suits that I should at least have some benefit of intel about enemy positions without having to be within rifle range to find them.

Oh right, silly me.

I failed to realized that you were implying it's inefficient to use a scrambler at 90m.

http://tinypic.com/r/2q1z41c/5

http://tinypic.com/r/9zu78x/5

I did these just for you so you can feel special. Okay darling?

You're not as accurate as me. I forgot that I was talking to an inferior breed of player. Please pardon me.

I may have over did it. Or do you need me to just do ONE KILL for you, just so you can be absolutely sure that it's plenty lethal in the hands of an accurate sniper?

but are they good for snipers to be? or tac AR? because of the direction this game is taking, it's like it's forcing me to use the AR of any variant for all of my needs. if CCP is gonna go that direction, tweak the snipers a bit to help them get along the new terrain so they can do part of their job well. i don't mind if my sniper can't operate well between 1-90 meters, but if we have to be that close now, make it fair for snipers to be able to handle it.

That sniping theory is literally how every good sniper I have EVER observed, has ever done. From Sleepy Zan, to Immuto, to Heavenly Daughter, to trollsroyce... I can list a few more names.

Trying to find a sniper is supposed to be like playing "Where is Waldo?" not "Whack-a-Mole!".
Sleepy Zan took it an extra step and told me a few more things, and it's common sense, and it's sad that we don't have a few more snipers that do this, but he said,
"Pretty much, if you see your guys somewhere else, but you can capture something real quick, like the CRU, just go for it, then you can go back. You can pull off using your sniper rifle up close in emergencies if you hold a strafe and try to line it up. It takes practice, and you can't rely on it, but it's rewarding if you get it down."

Good snipers always know when to switch things up. These sweeping map changes were not the way to go about things.

or a toned down sway while moving and ADS, something that helps that sniper a bit. the assault variant of the sniper is the tac AR though, since it's suppose to act like one

.4?

What do you mean?