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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:42:00 -
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Is it worth the SP JUST wondering? |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
212
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:43:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering?
I do :D |
Synbot
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:43:00 -
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no and yes |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1128
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:44:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering?
I get them to Level 4. thats it. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1050
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:45:00 -
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YES. Add complex damage mods and well...  |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
784
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:50:00 -
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Yes and yes. Having a fully maxed out weapon gives you that edge in combat which, even though it is tiny, can be all the difference. |
Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles
401
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:50:00 -
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whats that? |
Saxbrin Shain
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
56
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:51:00 -
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I took Laser Rifle Operation to 5. I have most of the others scattered between 2 and 4, but the Laser Rifle just feels right so I dumped my skills into it. It's actually my first skill to 5.
P.S. Hi, GHOSTLY! We need to squad up again soon. |
AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
123
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:55:00 -
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Worth it for sniper rifles. Three complex mods, proficiency 5, and a charge sniper. Hello one-shots on 90% of the suits I see. |
Hellkeizer
The Avutora Complex
90
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:57:00 -
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Depends on what weapon but mostly yes |
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
206
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:00:00 -
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I'm level 4 proficiency with 1 mil unallocated SP, not getting 5 rather save it for something else. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4584
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:03:00 -
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Level 3 |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
84
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:05:00 -
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Saxbrin Shain wrote:I took Laser e Operation to 5. I have most of the others scattered between 2 and 4, but the Laser Rifle just feels right so I dumped my skills into it. It's actually my first skill to 5.
P.S. Hi, GHOSTLY! We need to squad up again soon.
Oh hey we will just watch when im online and send invite |
Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers
EoN.
604
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:06:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering?
I know a few who have it, what a waste of good SP... |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1697
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:07:00 -
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I have 3... |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
193
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:10:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering? I know a few who have it, what a waste of good SP...
I agree. Until things are more balanced, Prof 3 max. Put your skill points in other areas, or other weapons, that way you are more nerf proof.
Diminishing returns people. That goes for the metagame too... |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
342
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:12:00 -
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I have my HMG, scrambler pistol, and flaylock at lvl5 |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
360
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Posted - 2013.09.17 03:16:00 -
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its worth it if you have a proto suit that can stack 3 dmg mods & still have a decent tank, like a logi suit.
it also depends on the weapon, high damage per shot weapons like tac ARs, scramblers, snipers, MDs, all go really well with stacking damage.
its also good if you use that paticular weapon much more than others.
however taking every weapon you spec into and taking it to prof5 is stupid, you really should have 2 weapons at the most on level 5.
that sums it up, but just remember, taking a weapon to level 5 and stacking damage makes people think ur gun is OP, and then u might get nerfed, which equates to over 2mil SP lost on a nerf. weapons attract nerfs the most, so investing alot of SP into a single one might seriously **** you over. |
CuuCH Crusher
DUST University
Ivy League
231
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:06:00 -
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Before 1.4 I would have said yes it is worth it. But now with aim assist, I would say no. Just strap on a militia AR and your good to go. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2054
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:10:00 -
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I wish. My scrambler rifle is at proficiency 3 and already feels really damn good in my hands, can't imagine what proficiency 5 feels like. |
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
64
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:21:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I wish. My scrambler rifle is at proficiency 3 and already feels really damn good in my hands, can't imagine what proficiency 5 feels like.
scramblers cut god at lvl 5 proficiency |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:28:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:YES. Add complex damage mods and well...
You will rock with ^ first over dropsuit +5 first! |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1311
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:46:00 -
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I just take mine to level 3 if I am really dedicated to the weapon, the extra damage is useful, but really not noticeable.
Some people like to take things to level 5 to really get that miniscule edge it gives them, but really it isn't needed.
The things you could spec into with all that extra SP is by far more worth it. I mean hell, for those two extra levels that is about 1.2 million SP. You could go full proto on two more weapons with that SP, go full proto (plus some leftover SP for other stuff) on a module, or upgrade an ADV suit to prototype.
Those 2 extra levels are definitely a waste of SP IMO. Although after logging into my main, I realized I had actually gone into level 4 prof with my AR, lol. Wish I would have saved that SP!  |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
372
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:15:00 -
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Yes and yes.
Munch |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
866
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:17:00 -
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i wish i had prof 5 in SMG.....
and yes its worth it, becuase its a damage mod without diminishing returns that doesnt take up a high slot.
prof 5 + 10% mod = 25% damage....
it would take near 3 damage mods for that kind of power but you get it with a single mod with prof 5.
its free damage, its always worth it |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5307
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:17:00 -
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MD profoficiency 5 but sometimes I wish I stopped at 3. At least once a day I suicide thanks to a blue dot jumping in my way to steal a kill. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1143
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:21:00 -
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AR Prof 5 |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Corporate Raiders
42
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:22:00 -
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I wish... i would drop players so fast it wouldnt be funny |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
242
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:23:00 -
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Sniper prof 5. Yes its worth it. Makes even milita snipers deadly. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
453
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:24:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering? I know a few who have it, what a waste of good SP... I agree. Until things are more balanced, Prof 3 max. Put your skill points in other areas, or other weapons, that way you are more nerf proof. Diminishing returns people. That goes for the metagame too...
You guys are probably right on this.
But I don't know how not to take my skills all the way to the max.... I just hate seeing something at L4 and seeing that one empty bar left in the 'old look' skill list.
But screw being rational, efficient, or effective. Once I'm done with the core skills the weapons will definitely be going to 11!!
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Flux Raeder
WarRavens
League of Infamy
252
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:25:00 -
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Definitely worth it if you have a favourite weapon.
With that lvl 5 prof stacked on top of my 3 complex dmg mods and an ishuukone sniper rifle I make people cry in their sleep. Haven't bothered with lvling AR too much since a few builds ago, I prefer it to actually be challenging, as in toxin vs duvolle-stompers.
Also have stayed away from most of the other kinds of weapons, heavies make me twitchy with how slow they are so I won't be going hmg proto again and until recently all the other weapons have been too buggy/in contention of nerfdom for me to bother skilling into them beyond militia. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
242
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:29:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Definitely worth it if you have a favourite weapon.
With that lvl 5 prof stacked on top of my 3 complex dmg mods and an ishuukone sniper rifle I make people cry in their sleep. Haven't bothered with lvling AR too much since a few builds ago, I prefer it to actually be challenging, as in toxin vs duvolle-stompers.
Also have stayed away from most of the other kinds of weapons, heavies make me twitchy with how slow they are so I won't be going hmg proto again and until recently all the other weapons have been too buggy/in contention of nerfdom for me to bother skilling into them beyond militia.
This guy knows what's up +1
I'd say that the higher damage per shot wepon the more you benefit. |
Miokai Zahou
Film Actors Guilds
40
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:29:00 -
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I have my AR at 4 and MD at 3 but it will get there to 4 soon just after i work on more cpu/pg. |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens
League of Infamy
254
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:33:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering? I know a few who have it, what a waste of good SP... I agree. Until things are more balanced, Prof 3 max. Put your skill points in other areas, or other weapons, that way you are more nerf proof. Diminishing returns people. That goes for the metagame too... You guys are probably right on this. But I don't know how not to take my skills all the way to the max.... I just hate seeing something at L4 and seeing that one empty bar left in the 'old look' skill list. But screw being rational, efficient, or effective. Once I'm done with the core skills the weapons will definitely be going to 11!!
The way I see it is: how can I get maximum return in the shortest amount of time? It generally involves skilling things that seem boring or pointless at first such as CPU and pg upgrades, but in the long run, when you maximize those core skills you will get a lot more out if every suit, saving time and isk while upping your survivability time to gain more sp. one thing too many people overlook is the systems hacking, the edge it gives you is astronomical once you max that baby out. I guess that is the kind of thing that separates the COD fpsers from the hardcore dusties, the avg CoD fan just wants to max up their weapons so they can #getmadkillzlulz while ignoring everything else, then they come on the forums and complain that everything is op. |
Morathi III
Red Star.
EoN.
225
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:17:00 -
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I stopped at 4 for my shotgun doesnt worth it with this weapon |
ugg reset
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
387
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:21:00 -
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I have prof III for SRs. most med suites can't walk from a charged head shot but some duel tankers have given me issues. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
392
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:39:00 -
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Fours on all current Heavy Weapons. Plan on getting future ones to the same number. While there has been close calls when the armor total was a sliver but those times have been few and far between.
The last two times I spent the lucky 777k Skill Point piles it was on DS Engineering Upgrades and DS Electronic Upgrades. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
388
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:42:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I wish. My scrambler rifle is at proficiency 3 and already feels really damn good in my hands, can't imagine what proficiency 5 feels like.
6% better?  |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
629
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Posted - 2013.09.17 07:28:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering?
I have swarms and SMG's both at proficiency 5, and it is MORE than worth it. |
Roldrage
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:00:00 -
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I have plasma cannons at prof. 5, any damage is good damage :) |
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Protected Void
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
Public Disorder.
89
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:11:00 -
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I have my scrambler rifle at proficiency level 4, and I'm definitely going to take it to level 5 once I've finished a few other vital skills. With a charged headshot, I often take out all but a tiny sliver of the enemy's HP. With level 5 proficiency, I should be able to one-shot those cases. And being a scout, high damage on that first shot is even more important, since my chances of survival plummets dramatically once the enemy notices me. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1199
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:11:00 -
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I would put my Forge Prof to lv 5.... but people would scream that theyre OP even more
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
453
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:19:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:
The way I see it is: how can I get maximum return in the shortest amount of time? It generally involves skilling things that seem boring or pointless at first such as CPU and pg upgrades, but in the long run, when you maximize those core skills you will get a lot more out if every suit, saving time and isk while upping your survivability time to gain more sp. one thing too many people overlook is the systems hacking, the edge it gives you is astronomical once you max that baby out. I guess that is the kind of thing that separates the COD fpsers from the hardcore dusties, the avg CoD fan just wants to max up their weapons so they can #getmadkillzlulz while ignoring everything else, then they come on the forums and complain that everything is op.
Right on, man. Make the investment up front for maximum effectiveness with the core skills. Systems hacking is one of a very few core skills left to get to L5. And she goes from L4 -> L5 this Friday. 777 SP wasted? Sure, to some maybe.
All that being said. The SMG will probably be the first weapon for me to take all the way.... I'm looking forward to it, so for the folks that have said it's worthwhile - thanks for giving me something to look forward to. 
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
389
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:56:00 -
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AR to V, Helps when using the GEK or Basic AR, the extra damage is real nice on the lower tier guns. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
Top Men.
260
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Posted - 2013.09.17 09:14:00 -
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Operation skills at 5? Absolutely. Proficiency skills at 5? Madness. |
Necandi Brasil
Conspiratus Immortalis
Covert Intervention
337
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Posted - 2013.09.17 09:31:00 -
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I have Pro at level 5 in AR
Feels so good... |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
296
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Posted - 2013.09.17 10:59:00 -
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Saxbrin Shain wrote:I took Laser Rifle Operation to 5. I have most of the others scattered between 2 and 4, but the Laser Rifle just feels right so I dumped my skills into it. It's actually my first skill to 5.
P.S. Hi, GHOSTLY! We need to squad up again soon.
As a scout I hate you buggers lol. Clip my leg? - yes that's death. Shot in the arm? Well that means your dead too! ... aghhhhhh! |
Echoist
Fenrir's Wolves
DARKSTAR ARMY
77
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:03:00 -
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Laser Profeciency 5 all the way!!! Got all my skills in my laser tree at level 5 except for outfitting, was worth every last point. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:48:00 -
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I have level 3 on the fallowing
SMG
AR
SG
soon
ASCR
NK |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:54:00 -
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lol so many wasted SP. Those coulda have beeing applied to more usefull things like better nanohives, drop uplinks or even a better side specialisation. Beeing versatile with proto weapons and equipment is really worthwhile. Sure you can put every single SP into AR proficency 5 but was it worth it? I doubt it. I allready get top of my team 90% of the time i play and kill most people really quick with my duvolle on lvl1. Im proud to have the following instead:
-gallente proto medium frame +proto logi
-amarr heavy frame on proto
-all equipment on proto (apart from active scanners and RE's)
-AR,MD,Swams and Forgeguns on proto
-core upgrades on 5 (max CPU+PG)
-max armor upgrades (repairs and plates)
-complex damage mods
-Charybdis with basic shields (more would be overkill)
Basically im a jack off all trades when it comes to infantry gameplay. I can deal with infantry and vehicles the same and have a counter for allmost everything. But on the other hand it came with a high price of 20 million SP to get where im. |
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
342
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Posted - 2013.09.17 12:29:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:lol so many wasted SP. Those coulda have beeing applied to more usefull things like better nanohives, drop uplinks or even a better side specialisation. Beeing versatile with proto weapons and equipment is really worthwhile. Sure you can put every single SP into AR proficency 5 but was it worth it? I doubt it. I allready get top of my team 90% of the time i play and kill most people really quick with my duvolle on lvl1. Im proud to have the following instead:
-gallente proto medium frame +proto logi
-amarr heavy frame on proto
-all equipment on proto (apart from active scanners and RE's)
-AR,MD,Swams and Forgeguns on proto
-core upgrades on 5 (max CPU+PG)
-max armor upgrades (repairs and plates)
-complex damage mods
-Charybdis with basic shields (more would be overkill)
Basically im a jack off all trades when it comes to infantry gameplay. I can deal with infantry and vehicles the same and have a counter for allmost everything. But on the other hand it came with a high price of 20 million SP to get where im.
I prefer to specialize into 1 role |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
455
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Posted - 2013.09.17 13:17:00 -
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Yep - I can only use 1 suit and 2 weapons at once..... lack of combat flexibility? That's OK, that's what my brain is for.... thinking. Working with the tools I have on-hand. Which happen to all be on their way to being maxed out. |
GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
137
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:02:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering?
The better question. Who doesnt?
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PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
56
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:07:00 -
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YES and YES ;) |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1316
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:10:00 -
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I have three weapons at proficiency 3. Maybe I'll train some to 5 eventually. So many other things to train first. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
421
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:24:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering?
only if you want more damage... |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1601
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:25:00 -
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It's up to you to figure out. Do you want to spend practically 2x what you already spent to get just +3% more damage? Or do you think that SP could pay off more somewhere else first? |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
85
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:36:00 -
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i have AR5 simply because i wanted to my ARs perfect and in a firefight an extra few dps can mean win or lose.
atm i use 3 complex damage mods on my logi suit and so my duvolle hits pretty hard with ARpro 5 as well. rough calculations make it out to be more/equivalent dps than a HMG and more accurate |
Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
24
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:51:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering? I know a few who have it, what a waste of good SP...
Not if it's a forge gun. The larger the damage hp, the larger the damage bonus from maxed proficiency. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
174
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:25:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:YES. Add complex damage mods and well...
^this |
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Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:44:00 -
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While I'm nowhere near prof. 5 I'd have to say no. The (1.2 million I believe) SP could be spent somewhere else to give you a bit more balance. I'd say prof. 3 tops until later on when you don't really have anywhere else that could benefit from being raised beforehand. |
Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
40
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:49:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Is it worth the SP JUST wondering?
by gun, i am going to assume you mean gallente AR, so no i dont have prof 5 |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
668
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:08:00 -
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Last night I ran my ish proto smg on a proto scout with a enhanced an basic dam mod plus proficiency 3 which is 14 % damage an I was dropping dudes face to face in seconds with only 229 total HP = vicious ! |
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