DUST Search - Assault Scrambler Rifle is so much better than the Duvolle.

Beren Hurin wrote:

FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:

Not this again ffs.....

Assault Scrambler Rifle:

-lower DPS - i'm pretty sure their DPS is practically the same
-lower range Per the devblog AR is 40m and ASR is 45m optimal.
-higher recoil sure
-muzzle flash is stupidly annoying- not as bad since 1.4's lighting changes
-80% bonus to armor only makes it HARDER to kill enemies
-120% shield bonus makes it the perfect kill assists weapon

(When an opponent's shields are >55% of their total tank, the damage profile of the ASR > AR. When it is under 55% the AR is better)
AR:

-better at everything than the AScR

For the AScR to be balanced vs the AR it has to have higher range and much less recoil. AR can keep its high DPS, but it needs a range/recoil nerf. With that it's a matter of preference which one you thing it's better, but atm AR wins in every aspect.

(Not saying AR is OP)

-XOXO

I would agree with your last statement, the AR needs a tiny bit of a range nerf, or I would guess what they are doing, is sharpening the decline of its effective range to compete less with the AScR.

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Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 319	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:26:00 - [1] - Quote Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!?
Tank Missile Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:27:00 - [2] - Quote Tight hip-fire, larger magazine.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8535	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:27:00 - [3] - Quote Shield damage bonus.
Shattered Mirage The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 251	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:37:00 - [4] - Quote Everyone tanks shields
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:38:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield damage bonus. Not really if the armor damage is worse. Tank Missile has it right but sadly it should be the other way around with the AR better in close and the AScR better at range..... or maybe not. Just not sure what CCP wants to do anymore. Personally I think the AR is better overall unless you are not ADS'ing in a close quarter engagement
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1118	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!? Nope, It just feels more powerful in CQ, because you were fighting High shield low armor/ or ADDV/STD suits with it. THe AR , SPECIALLY the Duvolle have an immense effective range , with less bullet dispersion and less recoil. You are just probably posting this to draw attention off the AR's. No, No weapon will be nerfed, stop this madness.....
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 547	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:46:00 - [7] - Quote Not this again ffs..... Assault Scrambler Rifle: -lower DPS -lower range -higher recoil -muzzle flash is stupidly annoying -80% bonus to armor only makes it HARDER to kill enemies -120% shield bonus makes it the perfect kill assists weapon AR: -better at everything than the AScR For the AScR to be balanced vs the AR it has to have higher range and much less recoil. AR can keep its high DPS, but it needs a range/recoil nerf. With that it's a matter of preference which one you thing it's better, but atm AR wins in every aspect. (Not saying AR is OP) -XOXO
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1714	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:47:00 - [8] - Quote Shhhh, Don't tell them. Let the AR QQers think that so they can complain about the AR more.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4028	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:49:00 - [9] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield damage bonus. Not really if the armor damage is worse. If the enemy is shield-tanked (which a LOT of players still are in spite of the recent armour buff), dealing more damage to shields means you're dealing more damage over the course of the target's lifespan.
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 188	Posted - 2013.09.16 22:26:00 - [10] - Quote Im starting to think that people think the holy assault rifle can do no wrong or that they have not even tried the assault scrambler rifle, because if they had they would know that the AsSc has NO RECOIL! ZERO! you can ADS and fire the entire 72 rounds and they will all hit the same spot, you cannot do this with the AR. After 30 rounds the gun will bounce around, negated by not firing 30 rounds continuously but my point still stands. Less dispersion on the AR? my ass, I have SS to lvl 3 and it still isn't as good as the AsSc, maybe if I hit lvl 4 or 5 but you need to invest all that SP to match a gun that doesn't even have a SS skill. Yes it does less damage to armour but most people act like it does NO damage to armour which is totally ridiculous, plus skilling into scrambler rifles unlocks the rapetrain known as the imperial scrambler rifle which the duvolle tac now cannot match. I honestly don't get it, if you like the AR more then that's fine but hearing people constantly the AsSc has more recoil and dispersion is getting annoying.

Chris F2112 High-Damage 470	Posted - 2013.09.16 22:52:00 - [11] - Quote Scrambler rifles mess up my Caldari suits pretty well. I think they are pretty good where they are right now, but that's from the perspective of not having played with them.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1511	Posted - 2013.09.16 23:17:00 - [12] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield damage bonus. Not really if the armor damage is worse. 1. very few people have enough armor for it to be that be a concern. 2. Run the numbers. The reduction in damage to armor doesn't make all that much of a difference. Looking at the damage per shot the duvolle AR does a measly 2 hp more. Yes the AR gets about an extra shot per second, but the on paper dps is rather similar enough to not feel terribly gimped against Gallente suits. a gk.0 suit with 3 complex plates and repper would have 706.35 armor, so a proto ASCR would take 1.9 seconds to kill it, whereas a duvolle AR would take 1.6 seconds to kill. Taking an extr 1/3 of a second to kill a suit that is fit our to be the hardest to kill by lasers isn't that big of a deal.
Heimdallr69 TeamPlayers EoN. 803	Posted - 2013.09.16 23:31:00 - [13] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Im starting to think that people think the holy assault rifle can do no wrong or that they have not even tried the assault scrambler rifle, because if they had they would know that the AsSc has NO RECOIL! ZERO! you can ADS and fire the entire 72 rounds and they will all hit the same spot, you cannot do this with the AR. After 30 rounds the gun will bounce around, negated by not firing 30 rounds continuously but my point still stands. Less dispersion on the AR? my ass, I have SS to lvl 3 and it still isn't as good as the AsSc, maybe if I hit lvl 4 or 5 but you need to invest all that SP to match a gun that doesn't even have a SS skill. Yes it does less damage to armour but most people act like it does NO damage to armour which is totally ridiculous, plus skilling into scrambler rifles unlocks the rapetrain known as the imperial scrambler rifle which the duvolle tac now cannot match. I honestly don't get it, if you like the AR more then that's fine but hearing people constantly the AsSc has more recoil and dispersion is getting annoying. Name the top players that use ascr...protoman was the only elite player who used it...so if pros stick with ar why is that? I kill faster with my duvolle than carthum the blaster needs to be put in its place short range not out range lasers lmao, eve style
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 752	Posted - 2013.09.16 23:36:00 - [14] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!? The AScR has more base damage.... check your stats again. AScR does +20% and -20% to armor. Maybe that's why.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 321	Posted - 2013.09.17 13:52:00 - [15] - Quote I don't give a fck about AR. I don't use them so why would I try and defend it (OP) I wanted to talk a bit about the assault scrambler - a much cooler weapon IMO. So why do people come and invade my post with this AR OP bullsht. I don't care - destroy them, burn em - I won't care. Jesus.
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1325	Posted - 2013.09.17 14:02:00 - [16] - Quote I would use the Carthum, but it's too damn expensive. I get angrier when I lose a Carthum than when I lose a proto suit.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1600	Posted - 2013.09.17 14:14:00 - [17] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Not this again ffs..... Assault Scrambler Rifle: -lower DPS - i'm pretty sure their DPS is practically the same -lower range Per the devblog AR is 40m and ASR is 45m optimal. -higher recoil sure -muzzle flash is stupidly annoying- not as bad since 1.4's lighting changes -80% bonus to armor only makes it HARDER to kill enemies -120% shield bonus makes it the perfect kill assists weapon (When an opponent's shields are >55% of their total tank, the damage profile of the ASR > AR. When it is under 55% the AR is better) AR: -better at everything than the AScR For the AScR to be balanced vs the AR it has to have higher range and much less recoil. AR can keep its high DPS, but it needs a range/recoil nerf. With that it's a matter of preference which one you thing it's better, but atm AR wins in every aspect. (Not saying AR is OP) -XOXO I would agree with your last statement, the AR needs a tiny bit of a range nerf, or I would guess what they are doing, is sharpening the decline of its effective range to compete less with the AScR.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 184	Posted - 2013.09.17 14:24:00 - [18] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Not this again ffs..... Assault Scrambler Rifle: -lower DPS - i'm pretty sure their DPS is practically the same -lower range Per the devblog AR is 40m and ASR is 45m optimal. -higher recoil sure -muzzle flash is stupidly annoying- not as bad since 1.4's lighting changes -80% bonus to armor only makes it HARDER to kill enemies -120% shield bonus makes it the perfect kill assists weapon (When an opponent's shields are >55% of their total tank, the damage profile of the ASR > AR. When it is under 55% the AR is better) AR: -better at everything than the AScR For the AScR to be balanced vs the AR it has to have higher range and much less recoil. AR can keep its high DPS, but it needs a range/recoil nerf. With that it's a matter of preference which one you thing it's better, but atm AR wins in every aspect. (Not saying AR is OP) -XOXO I would agree with your last statement, the AR needs a tiny bit of a range nerf, or I would guess what they are doing, is sharpening the decline of its effective range to compete less with the AScR. The AsCR isn't all that bad in fact its pretty close to the AR nearly identical DPS similar range good accuracy. What seperates both weapons is accesibilty, fitting requirements and skills in these parts the AR is better. it is easy accesible because you have militia variants and bpo and the std variant unlocks on lvl 1the AscR unlocks on lvl 4. But i believe what differentiate the weapons the most is the benefit from skills, the AR gets two accuracy boots through skills and thats what makes the AR somewhat superior in terms of accuracy. There was a vid some time ago that shows that both weapons are pretty close in dispersion (while the AsCR has no barrel climb) unless the skills kick in... The sad part is that both weapons are so close together in terms of raw combat value.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 555	Posted - 2013.09.17 14:24:00 - [19] - Quote better than AR at killing caldari scum, on par with AR against hybrid tanked minmatar and amarr suits. worse against armor tanked suits. damage looks like working as intended but the shorter range on a laser weapon supposed to have higher range than a close range hybrid weapon make no sense.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 173	Posted - 2013.09.17 15:22:00 - [20] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!? Amarr are pissed of at galante's for helping minmatars so they copied their weapon and upgraded their blueprints

SERPENT-Adamapple Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 195	Posted - 2013.09.17 16:09:00 - [21] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Im starting to think that people think the holy assault rifle can do no wrong or that they have not even tried the assault scrambler rifle, because if they had they would know that the AsSc has NO RECOIL! ZERO! you can ADS and fire the entire 72 rounds and they will all hit the same spot, you cannot do this with the AR. After 30 rounds the gun will bounce around, negated by not firing 30 rounds continuously but my point still stands. Less dispersion on the AR? my ass, I have SS to lvl 3 and it still isn't as good as the AsSc, maybe if I hit lvl 4 or 5 but you need to invest all that SP to match a gun that doesn't even have a SS skill. Yes it does less damage to armour but most people act like it does NO damage to armour which is totally ridiculous, plus skilling into scrambler rifles unlocks the rapetrain known as the imperial scrambler rifle which the duvolle tac now cannot match. I honestly don't get it, if you like the AR more then that's fine but hearing people constantly the AsSc has more recoil and dispersion is getting annoying. I don't know what weapon your using, but I have the ASCR maxed out with proficient 4, and it does have crazy recoil at range. It's unnoticeable in CQC and will dominate a duvolle in close range. At it's optimum, it needs to be burst fired to stay on target. I've been using it since it's been released, and would say I'm beastly with both SCR versions. Duvolle > ASCR at range, ASCR > Duvolle at CQC, SCR > Duvolle at range.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 600	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:09:00 - [22] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!? Youre a a cqc guys and the Ascr really messes people up at that range, but anything beyond that will end up blinding yourself. Take it from me, master the Imperial Scrambler and don't touch the Ascr, trust me, i know what i am talking about. See ya on the field man :)
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 321	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:19:00 - [23] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!? Youre a a cqc guys and the Ascr really messes people up at that range, but anything beyond that will end up blinding yourself. Take it from me, master the Imperial Scrambler and don't touch the Ascr, trust me, i know what i am talking about. See ya on the field man :) I am using the adv assault one just til I get the Imperial :) And I am going for it just because of you, even though I don't have an amarr suit. YET.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5998	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:24:00 - [24] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Not this again ffs..... Assault Scrambler Rifle: -lower DPS -lower range -higher recoil -muzzle flash is stupidly annoying -80% bonus to armor only makes it HARDER to kill enemies -120% shield bonus makes it the perfect kill assists weapon AR: -better at everything than the AScR For the AScR to be balanced vs the AR it has to have higher range and much less recoil. AR can keep its high DPS, but it needs a range/recoil nerf. With that it's a matter of preference which one you thing it's better, but atm AR wins in every aspect. (Not saying AR is OP) -XOXO Go ahead and do some calculation, so how much lower the DPS is compared to an AR of the same tier, like 2 or 3 points (was something minuscule last I checked)? Its pretty much the same DPS. You don't mention when firing nonstop that the AR climbs MUCH higher then with the aSCR. Also you don't even bother mentioning the bigger magazine, the nice sight. Seems like you're giving a very skewed assessment of the aSCR.
Viktor Zokas High-Damage 359	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:28:00 - [25] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: Not this again ffs..... Assault Scrambler Rifle: -lower DPS -lower range -higher recoil -muzzle flash is stupidly annoying -80% bonus to armor only makes it HARDER to kill enemies -120% shield bonus makes it the perfect kill assists weapon AR: -better at everything than the AScR For the AScR to be balanced vs the AR it has to have higher range and much less recoil. AR can keep its high DPS, but it needs a range/recoil nerf. With that it's a matter of preference which one you thing it's better, but atm AR wins in every aspect. (Not saying AR is OP) -XOXO Go ahead and do some calculation, so how much lower the DPS is compared to an AR of the same tier, like 2 or 3 points (was something minuscule last I checked)? Its pretty much the same DPS. You don't mention when firing nonstop that the AR climbs MUCH higher then with the aSCR. Also you don't even bother mentioning the bigger magazine, the nice sight. Seems like you're giving a very skewed assessment of the aSCR. It's because math is hard. People think 'hur 80%, dat sucks hur.'. That's okay though, I'll keep topping the charts with my ascr, while they can play with their gimped AR. Have fun.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2962	Posted - 2013.09.17 17:30:00 - [26] - Quote No muzzle climb.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2074	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:04:00 - [27] - Quote I'm still baffled every time I see someone use an AScR. I tried many times, but I find it to be garbage. Regular scrambler rifle is where its at.
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1327	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:25:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm still baffled every time I see someone use an AScR. I tried many times, but I find it to be garbage. Regular scrambler rifle is where its at. I've got to agree with this. Yes, the Carthum is nice, but it is too expensive. As I said in an earlier post, it bugs me more when I lose a Carthum than a Proto suit. Now the Imperial and other Semi Auto SCR's are just fine. The only problem for me is that I play Amarr Logi, so I don't get the nice "it takes longer to overheat" bonus.
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 444	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:26:00 - [29] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!? Because it is a better weapon. But people still keep complaining about AR this AR that. They really need to spec into something more interesting
Rei Shepard Spectre II 601	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:30:00 - [30] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Just wanted to ask why - it has the same dmg and stuff. But I seem to to much better with it!? Youre a a cqc guys and the Ascr really messes people up at that range, but anything beyond that will end up blinding yourself. Take it from me, master the Imperial Scrambler and don't touch the Ascr, trust me, i know what i am talking about. See ya on the field man :) I am using the adv assault one just til I get the Imperial :) And I am going for it just because of you, even though I don't have an amarr suit. YET. Well damn, i feel quite honored right now :) With the skill at 5 so getting at least a 25% bonus to heat, the gun is already quite deadly, the suit however is creme fresh finish on the cake and capable of a allot of Complex Mods, quality stuff over other suits quantity of stuff. Its going to be funtimes :)



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