CCP is making new maps less sniper friendly with walls on building tops and other measures.

That will cut down of FG snipers too.

Yes, but unless they go over the previous maps then there will still be issues. You can take what you have learned into the future, but we cannot neglect what is already built. A shaky foundation will decimate the sturdiest of structures.

eventually the old maps will be phased out

this will be something shortly after the completion of the caldari production facility and the minmatar cargo hub.

the maps that dont use infrastructure will probably be phased out or repurposed at this time.

then they will flesh out the racial vaarients (all 3 races research,cargo,production)


the new maps and infrastructure are CCPs new gold standard, and it shows just how much work they put into taking allt hose things you mentined into account.

Please read to the end. I in no way state that this is a good idea.

I feel this is a slapdash solution to a prevalent issue, but what if Drop Uplinks could not be utilized by Heavy class suits? I feel it would fix the issues people have with SwarmSniper Commandos and ForgeSniper Sentinels on the highest of heights, like the roof of Communications, the towers of Line Harvest, or the skyscrapers of Biomass. They may only get to these places with the direct aide of a Dropship, and once killed must be re-ferried to their perch.

However, this idea is not, in any manner, perfect. It penalizes those Heavy class players that do not abuse the rooftops, and will most likely relegate any Domination playing Heavy to Skirmish, as the long walk back to the point would become tiresome. It would be the same thing we did to the Logistics and Vehicle players for those few that farmed WP off of LAVs, or what we did to the AV players by removing damage WP due to, again, a few boosters abusing the feature.

This solution is not perfect. In fact, even though I despise Drop Uplinks, I find it very heavy-handed and unfair to the Heavies. This is where I ask for your help. his is a forum, a place to exchange, share, and build on ideas. People are upset by Forge Snipers, but only view the Forge itself as the issue.

The components of this problem are
1.Dropship flight ceiling. If DShips couldn't go that high though, then they'd have a harder time dodging swarms.
2.Height of certain map areas. If they alter the maps though, then it would set precedent for changing ever 'problem' with every map.
3.Forge Gun supremacy at high places. Working as intended, until compounded by one of the other issues.
4.Drop Uplinks. There is no reason not to use the Uplink, but something as heavy-handed as class limiters is unfair to those who share the class.
5.Build-able Zones. We can slap a Nanohive or Uplink anywhere that has a floor. If we couldn't build there to begin with, there wouldn't be as much of an issue. This may take far more coding time that it seems, however.

I've done the legwork, and proposed my flawed idea. Anyone else have a better solution? You have nothing to lose in offering.

Implying you can't just get a dropship and fly it up there in a heavy suit...

what if Drop Uplinks could not be utilized by Heavy class suits?

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Heavies can't use drop up-links, nice try.

I wasn't aware this was a problem to fix, maybe that's my slow a$$ not getting where that OHK shot came from :-p

Anyway. Why fix this? Isn't this a strategic play that is easily countered by the exact same play? I mean, doesn't this make dropship a winner in one area? That has to be good?

Don't see why you'd want to remove what appears to me a perfectly valid tactic. Maybe I've not understood what's broken properly?

I see so the counter doesn't work anywhere near as easily as the initial play because you now have AV up there. So it's a race, and a boring one at that that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with owning the OP spot on the map.

So yeah, maybe some way of being able to fly-by fast enough and with skill drop some sort of flux grenade where the uplinks are. Requires a new vehicle by the sounds of it. Orbitals *should* be able to hit though, that's just silly that they don't.

Thanks for the explanation!

Utilized means USED, not EQUIPPED. Reading comprehension check failed, care to reroll?

As a HMG/ forge gun user that ends up using it more as a shotgun than a sniper, your idea sucks. Heavies have it hard enough as it is with out making them have to walk even further. What about HMG users?

So you have issues with sniper FG's? well 99% of the time that sniper FG is about 50m away and the only reason youve been hit is because youve stood still too long or are being waaaay too predictable .

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I seriously don't know how I missed that.....

Please read to the end. I in no way state that this is a good idea.

I feel this is a slapdash solution to a prevalent issue, but what if Drop Uplinks could not be utilized by Heavy class suits? I feel it would fix the issues people have with SwarmSniper Commandos and ForgeSniper Sentinels on the highest of heights, like the roof of Communications, the towers of Line Harvest, or the skyscrapers of Biomass. They may only get to these places with the direct aide of a Dropship, and once killed must be re-ferried to their perch.

However, this idea is not, in any manner, perfect. It penalizes those Heavy class players that do not abuse the rooftops, and will most likely relegate any Domination playing Heavy to Skirmish, as the long walk back to the point would become tiresome. It would be the same thing we did to the Logistics and Vehicle players for those few that farmed WP off of LAVs, or what we did to the AV players by removing damage WP due to, again, a few boosters abusing the feature.

This solution is not perfect. In fact, even though I despise Drop Uplinks, I find it very heavy-handed and unfair to the Heavies. This is where I ask for your help. his is a forum, a place to exchange, share, and build on ideas. People are upset by Forge Snipers, but only view the Forge itself as the issue.

The components of this problem are
1.Dropship flight ceiling. If DShips couldn't go that high though, then they'd have a harder time dodging swarms.
2.Height of certain map areas. If they alter the maps though, then it would set precedent for changing ever 'problem' with every map.
3.Forge Gun supremacy at high places. Working as intended, until compounded by one of the other issues.
4.Drop Uplinks. There is no reason not to use the Uplink, but something as heavy-handed as class limiters is unfair to those who share the class.
5.Build-able Zones. We can slap a Nanohive or Uplink anywhere that has a floor. If we couldn't build there to begin with, there wouldn't be as much of an issue. This may take far more coding time that it seems, however.

I've done the legwork, and proposed my flawed idea. Anyone else have a better solution? You have nothing to lose in offering.

Best solution? Make the forge round more likely to miss than it is right now. For some reason in uprising they changed the forge gun mechanic from "fires in random directions in a small cone" to "fires in a straight line where you point."

Because of this, players can simply line up their shot until it turns red and then fire to get a direct hit, resulting in an instant kill. If it missed more, then forge sniping would be done away with altogether because the farther away you are, the more likely the shot is to be WAY off.

However, large moving targets like tanks will still be easy to hit. It might make shooting at LAVs a bit harder but I can live with that.

Shut up with dropships and height limit sorry but my afterburner gotta dodge some swarms

Imagine this. Playing Line Harvest, when all of a sudden BLAM, you get shelled by something you can't see. Didn't quite kill you, but it got close. BLAM, you're dead. Killfeed says it was a Forge Gun. While spawning in, you notice a red dot on one of the towers. You decide to countersnipe to kill the heavy, but you just can't finish him as he just dips back over the edge. You finally get him by some fluke... and then 10 seconds later you start the cycle all over again.

Back in E3, the same thing happened but with Light Missile turrets or the occasional HAV getting called up there, and both in E3 and now there are snipers perched. The issue arises in that there is no counter. Fly up a DShip like he did? He'll shoot you down. Snipe him? He can't be dropped fast enough, so he'll just keep repping, peaking out, getting a kill/assist, repeat. Use a Forge Gun? Not accurate enough. OB? They spawn lower than the tower roof. Climb manually? No ladder. Nothing can dislodge him besides the fanciest of fliers, so maybe the problem could be addressed by the introduction of fighters or a DShip buff, but even if you do kill him he just respawns in a few moments.

Best solution? Make the forge round more likely to miss than it is right now. For some reason in uprising they changed the forge gun mechanic from "fires in random directions in a small cone" to "fires in a straight line where you point."

Because of this, players can simply line up their shot until it turns red and then fire to get a direct hit, resulting in an instant kill. If it missed more, then forge sniping would be done away with altogether because the farther away you are, the more likely the shot is to be WAY off.

However, large moving targets like tanks will still be easy to hit. It might make shooting at LAVs a bit harder but I can live with that.

The problem with your strategy and thinking is that you feel you need to "kill" the forge gunner in order to achieve your objective. Well let me advise you. You don't need to. You've already stated exactly what needs to be done and you've achieved it. You effectively pushed him back. If this was coordinated with your team, they'll have that brief moment of opportunity to take the objective which now makes the forge gunner useless. How do I know this? Because it's happened to me. When there's a powerful sniper shooting at me and I can't see him nor reach him with my forge, then I'm suppressed and useless up there. This forces me down to the ground where I'm better used.

The real problem is that domination is a game with randoms. When you're in a game of randoms, it's near impossible to have any strategy to work. Because you don't know who's on your team. The strategy above works everytime, but only if you have a sniper on your team of randoms that can do that.

The problem with that line of thinking is that the Sniper can only suppress the one guy. He gets nothing for doing it, however, and if he lets his vision wander to try and secure kills, assists, deflect a push on an objective etc, the FG user will become unsuppressed. Furthermore, even if the FG decides to ditch the tower, once he dies he spawns back. It is very unlikely that the sniper will be watching and waiting, and rather unfair to ask someone to sacrifice the entire game just to suppress a guy for no ingame benefits.

As a caveat, I'd like to state that I feel the AV users should get the damage points back so they get points for suppressing vehicles, in case you were going to being that up. Also, the threat of the FG at that range is not being an OHK weapon, I am not that deluded. The threat is that if he has that much height over his target, his splash damage is almost assured. I have no issue with the gun itself, like I stated in my previous posts, just that the terrain on certain maps can be abused in ways that the DEVs didn't intend when 'working as intended' becomes 'somewhat imbalanced.'

Best solution? Make the forge round more likely to miss than it is right now. For some reason in uprising they changed the forge gun mechanic from "fires in random directions in a small cone" to "fires in a straight line where you point."

Because of this, players can simply line up their shot until it turns red and then fire to get a direct hit, resulting in an instant kill. If it missed more, then forge sniping would be done away with altogether because the farther away you are, the more likely the shot is to be WAY off.

However, large moving targets like tanks will still be easy to hit. It might make shooting at LAVs a bit harder but I can live with that.