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gabriel login
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:25:00 -
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why does it have recoil it shoots light. the ar has no recoil an shoots super heated plasma. hmm now what 1 of the 2 guns there should have recoil. you guessed it the ar should so whats the deal ccp can you give the ar the recoil that the assault scrambler rifle has. an get rid of the recoil or make it lower on the assault scrambler rifle. an on a side note the ar has no spray the assault scrambler rifle does yet again why it shoots light. think you could give the ar the same spray an lower or remove i from the assault scrambler rifle. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5937
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:34:00 -
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Perhaps there are some moving parts inside it fr heat management (or something) that produces the recoil.
The aSCR doesn't climb nearly as high from continuous fire as with the AR. Test it for yourself, shoot nostop with the AR and see how much it climbs, then do the same with the aSCR.
The dispersion of the shots is harsh, but I think its balanced by the bigger magazine compared to the AR, and the nice sight. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1315
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:40:00 -
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gabriel login wrote:why does it have recoil it shoots light. the ar has no recoil an shoots super heated plasma. hmm now what 1 of the 2 guns there should have recoil. you guessed it the ar should so whats the deal ccp can you give the ar the recoil that the assault scrambler rifle has. an get rid of the recoil or make it lower on the assault scrambler rifle. an on a side note the ar has no spray the assault scrambler rifle does yet again why it shoots light. think you could give the ar the same spray an lower or remove it from the assault scrambler rifle.
Technically neither should have recoil, because plasma is a heated gas and although gas is technically matter it has low density and therefore slightly negligible mass. Also we have modern guns that shoot modern rounds with insane recoil mitigation systems that give the weapon little to no recoil. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:40:00 -
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To release that amount of energy as pure radiation, I imagine there's a drastic change in pressure caused by sudden bursts of heat. That could explain the recoil.
There's also game balance. Lore-friendliness comes a close second to game balance. |
gabriel login
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:41:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Perhaps there are some moving parts inside it fr heat management (or something) that produces the recoil.
The aSCR doesn't climb nearly as high from continuous fire as with the AR. Test it for yourself, shoot nostop with the AR and see how much it climbs, then do the same with the aSCR.
The dispersion of the shots is harsh, but I think its balanced by the bigger magazine compared to the AR, and the nice sight.
as a person who uses ars 99% of the time i see little to no climb when shooting it an it still has 0 spray even if it does climb. the assault scrambler rifle on the other hand has climb recoil spray over heat lower rate of fire an less dps. the only thing the ascr has goin for it is its red dot sight an a 72 round mag oh an its better at killing shields. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1315
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:45:00 -
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gabriel login wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Perhaps there are some moving parts inside it fr heat management (or something) that produces the recoil.
The aSCR doesn't climb nearly as high from continuous fire as with the AR. Test it for yourself, shoot nostop with the AR and see how much it climbs, then do the same with the aSCR.
The dispersion of the shots is harsh, but I think its balanced by the bigger magazine compared to the AR, and the nice sight. as a person who uses ars 99% of the time i see little to no climb when shooting it an it still has 0 spray even if it does climb. the assault scrambler rifle on the other hand has climb recoil spray over heat lower rate of fire an less dps. the only thing the ascr has goin for it is its red dot sight an a 72 round mag oh an its better at killing shields.
ASCR and AR have the same DPS. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
575
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:53:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:gabriel login wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Perhaps there are some moving parts inside it fr heat management (or something) that produces the recoil.
The aSCR doesn't climb nearly as high from continuous fire as with the AR. Test it for yourself, shoot nostop with the AR and see how much it climbs, then do the same with the aSCR.
The dispersion of the shots is harsh, but I think its balanced by the bigger magazine compared to the AR, and the nice sight. as a person who uses ars 99% of the time i see little to no climb when shooting it an it still has 0 spray even if it does climb. the assault scrambler rifle on the other hand has climb recoil spray over heat lower rate of fire an less dps. the only thing the ascr has goin for it is its red dot sight an a 72 round mag oh an its better at killing shields. ASCR and AR have the same DPS.
IIRC the ASCR has a shorter range than the AR (seriously CCP, add an effing optimal range stat already!) and it definitely has more dispersion / recoil, plus an overheat mechanic that kicks in before officer level gear.
So in conclusion, the AR really needs to get a downside at some point. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1316
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:01:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:gabriel login wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Perhaps there are some moving parts inside it fr heat management (or something) that produces the recoil.
The aSCR doesn't climb nearly as high from continuous fire as with the AR. Test it for yourself, shoot nostop with the AR and see how much it climbs, then do the same with the aSCR.
The dispersion of the shots is harsh, but I think its balanced by the bigger magazine compared to the AR, and the nice sight. as a person who uses ars 99% of the time i see little to no climb when shooting it an it still has 0 spray even if it does climb. the assault scrambler rifle on the other hand has climb recoil spray over heat lower rate of fire an less dps. the only thing the ascr has goin for it is its red dot sight an a 72 round mag oh an its better at killing shields. ASCR and AR have the same DPS. IIRC the ASCR has a shorter range than the AR (seriously CCP, add an effing optimal range stat already!) and it definitely has more dispersion / recoil, plus an overheat mechanic that kicks in before officer level gear. So in conclusion, the AR really needs to get a downside at some point.
When the other racial rifles come out the AR will have the lowest range. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
925
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:13:00 -
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It's not that the AR has NO recoil, it's that the native recoil is so low, and that the skills lower it even further, so that by the end of it all you have to fire roughly 3/5ths the clip to see any shake. Remove Sharpshooter and increase recoil a smidgeon and thing'll be more even. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8496
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:23:00 -
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Both should be having recoils has more to do with gases moving up about about.
Scrambler are neutron beams using fusion decay process lensed by what appears to be a gravity lense. Excess mass and superheated atmosphere are forced throughout the gun as cooling means which is why it probably recoils. |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1741
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Posted - 2013.09.15 23:33:00 -
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The real problem is the dispersion makes it unreliable at anything more than close range. And CCP stated earlier that lasers weapons are supposed to have more range than hybrid plasma weapons. But oh well, that's thrown out the window. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
181
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:23:00 -
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gabriel login wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Perhaps there are some moving parts inside it fr heat management (or something) that produces the recoil.
The aSCR doesn't climb nearly as high from continuous fire as with the AR. Test it for yourself, shoot nostop with the AR and see how much it climbs, then do the same with the aSCR.
The dispersion of the shots is harsh, but I think its balanced by the bigger magazine compared to the AR, and the nice sight. as a person who uses ars 99% of the time i see little to no climb when shooting it an it still has 0 spray even if it does climb. the assault scrambler rifle on the other hand has climb recoil spray over heat lower rate of fire an less dps. the only thing the ascr has goin for it is its red dot sight an a 72 round mag oh an its better at killing shields.
There are some vids showing that both weapons are pretty close the AsCR has no barrel climb but a little side to side recoil. The AR gets barral climb on roughly half a clip and side to side recoil as well. But The AR gets two huge boosts to accuracy through skills the AsCR not.... |
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