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Lightning xVx Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.09.15 18:44:00 - [1] - Quote So I heard from a little birdy awhile ago about this that we will be receiving in the coming future a Stealth Camo (Equipment slot based) module that will be somewhat (IMO) OP. I cant remember the stats that he said (they told me this about a month in a half ago) but from what he told me, honestly worried me because I feel that it will make everything OP alongside these classes (Scouts OP, HMG's OP and most of all Shotgunners). So I decided that we can have a debate/discussion on this topic before it becomes incredibly OP and everyone start using it. I will also showcase what is balanced as opposed to "what is cooler". (IMO) I honestly feel that the Active Camo would be better suited for this game, due to the fact that we have light shadows and particle effects that can show case the Predator shadow, stalking it prey instead of them being COMPLETELY invisible from everyone and coming in and out of it. Active Camo: MGS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErfzjA4jWbM Stealth Camo: GR:FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_B5zlprWHQ P.S.: I don't know if the name of this module is correct, but I heard it comes from the casing of a sword or dagger............
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 170	Posted - 2013.09.15 18:46:00 - [2] - Quote What was dust cloak like?
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3613	Posted - 2013.09.15 18:51:00 - [3] - Quote No. We are NOT starting discussions of OP-ness before we even know a single stat of the equipment. This NEEDS TO STOP.
Lightning xVx Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.09.15 18:51:00 - [4] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: What was dust cloak like? I cant remember the numbers but they said it takes A LOT of CPU and PG from the suit. And the fits (Militia, STD, ADV & PROTO) vary in timing/cooldowns.
Lightning xVx Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.09.15 18:53:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: No. We are NOT starting discussions of OP-ness before we even know a single stat of the equipment. This NEEDS TO STOP. Your entitled to your opinion, but from what he told me from what THEY SAW. Sounds OP to me, I haven't seen this in action but the numbers look pretty intimidating.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 115	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote Next up: Unicorns! How OP will they be? Dysssskhhhuuuussssss...
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:13:00 - [7] - Quote I don't think the difference between these two would be significant. As I have mentioned on another thread, to prevent too much craziness, I think that a cloak like this should be considered equipment that is unique to scouts. I'm iffy about giving medium suits a cloak. Minjas and snipers would benefit most, making stealthy scouts more viable. Long cool down, attacking/hacking/too much movement breaks the cloak, yada yada, don't make people cry about it too much. Also, Nova Swords. That is all.
Lightning xVx Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:19:00 - [8] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I don't think the difference between these two would be significant. As I have mentioned on another thread, to prevent too much craziness, I think that a cloak like this should be considered equipment that is unique to scouts. I'm iffy about giving medium suits a cloak. Minjas and snipers would benefit most, making stealthy scouts more viable. Long cool down, attacking/hacking/too much movement breaks the cloak, yada yada, don't make people cry about it too much. Also, Nova Swords. That is all. Thank you, for actually seeing my argument of it. This module (IMO) should be locked for scout suits because if everyone else had it, the game would turn into Predator vs. Predator. With occasional people popping in and out of view.
Texs Red SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 54	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:26:00 - [9] - Quote This is simple, just follow the same concept ideas as in EVE. In EVE when you cloak you are totally invisible but your speed is greatly reduced and there is a delay period after decloaking before you can attack, however there would be a light frame suit that would greatly reduce the penalties but would typically be even more fragile.
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 194	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:33:00 - [10] - Quote Texs Red wrote: This is simple, just follow the same concept ideas as in EVE. In EVE when you cloak you are totally invisible but your speed is greatly reduced and there is a delay period after decloaking before you can attack, however there would be a light frame suit that would greatly reduce the penalties but would typically be even more fragile. Lol me and V already had that discussion. I brought up that point. I honestly don't see why its a big deal yet until we get some kind of stats on it. V and I talked for prolly 1 hour about this module. Besides i don't think we will see something like that until after uprising and we get into the new build. Hopefully i'm wrong cause scouts need something going for it.

Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1784	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:36:00 - [11] - Quote But what about Octo Camo!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 175	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:07:00 - [12] - Quote And i heard that the minmatarr are working on jetpacks which are basically 2 massdrivers on your back pointing at the ground. Unfortunately you have to jump off a building otherwise the explosions will kill you before you can take off.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4185	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:12:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: No. We are NOT starting discussions of OP-ness before we even know a single stat of the equipment. This NEEDS TO STOP. I agree completely. Its absolutely stupid to assume something is going to be OP before we even know how it works.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3472	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:29:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: No. We are NOT starting discussions of OP-ness before we even know a single stat of the equipment. This NEEDS TO STOP. If its a module i'm tempted to go full stealth+speed heavy, i'd be a master of ambushes, unsuspecting reddots wouldn't have a chance. Bojo The Mighty wrote: But what about Octo Camo! octo camo is OP bojo, that ***** just too good, also it might break dust. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckP8msIgMYE
Lightning xVx Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.09.15 23:36:00 - [15] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: No. We are NOT starting discussions of OP-ness before we even know a single stat of the equipment. This NEEDS TO STOP. I agree completely. Its absolutely stupid to assume something is going to be OP before we even know how it works. I stated my opinion on it being potentially OP and if was to be available to all suits, then it would greatly hinder this game. Unless there was a way to properly take a sufficient amount of CPU/PG. And I can't remember the stats but Radar and I both discussed it awhile ago after I talked with the guy, who apparently had it on his screen in the market place on his developer PS3.
Assassin Of Virtue Butt Hurt Try Hards 0	Posted - 2013.11.07 06:37:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: No. We are NOT starting discussions of OP-ness before we even know a single stat of the equipment. This NEEDS TO STOP. I agree completely. Its absolutely stupid to assume something is going to be OP before we even know how it works. This is CCP. We know how it's going to work before it even exists. CCP is easy to predict. They listen to whoever they choose to listen to and ignore those that they don't want to listen to, and anything new is usually off balance to be balanced in a later patch. I guess this is because they have no idea how its going to work even though they are the creators? Go figure. CCP should be testing this stuff in some sort of BETA server before actually taking it live.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1054	Posted - 2013.11.07 06:48:00 - [17] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I don't think the difference between these two would be significant. As I have mentioned on another thread, to prevent too much craziness, I think that a cloak like this should be considered equipment that is unique to scouts. I'm iffy about giving medium suits a cloak. Minjas and snipers would benefit most, making stealthy scouts more viable. Long cool down, attacking/hacking/too much movement breaks the cloak, yada yada, don't make people cry about it too much. Also, Nova Swords. That is all. Thank you, for actually seeing my argument of it. This module (IMO) should be locked for scout suits because if everyone else had it, the game would turn into Predator vs. Predator. With occasional people popping in and out of view. IMHO, Scouts should get the Stealth version as a built-in perk of wearing tissue paper. Anyone with an Equipment slot and the CPU/PG, should be able to equip the Active Cloak mod. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 640	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:28:00 - [18] - Quote tell me how will it be OP for HMG users? we have no equipment slot to equip those things. all the other dropsuits have the equipment slots except for us heavies. We abandoned the cause, our immortality is for hire!!! ßòÖ(GçÇGÇ+Gå+GÇ¦)ßòù
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 321	Posted - 2013.11.07 12:56:00 - [19] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: tell me how will it be OP for HMG users? we have no equipment slot to equip those things. all the other dropsuits have the equipment slots except for us heavies. Commando
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2202	Posted - 2013.11.07 13:02:00 - [20] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: tell me how will it be OP for HMG users? we have no equipment slot to equip those things. all the other dropsuits have the equipment slots except for us heavies. Commando Delete Dust.

Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 321	Posted - 2013.11.07 13:05:00 - [21] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: tell me how will it be OP for HMG users? we have no equipment slot to equip those things. all the other dropsuits have the equipment slots except for us heavies. Commando Delete Dust. Delete your account
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 640	Posted - 2013.11.07 13:23:00 - [22] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: tell me how will it be OP for HMG users? we have no equipment slot to equip those things. all the other dropsuits have the equipment slots except for us heavies. Commando Delete Dust. Delete your account commando?? with a HMG?? please destroy your ps3 We abandoned the cause, our immortality is for hire!!! ßòÖ(GçÇGÇ+Gå+GÇ¦)ßòù
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 321	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:11:00 - [23] - Quote The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 63	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:28:00 - [24] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: So I heard from a little birdy awhile ago about this that we will be receiving in the coming future a Stealth Camo (Equipment slot based) module that will be somewhat (IMO) OP. I cant remember the stats that he said (they told me this about a month in a half ago) but from what he told me, honestly worried me because I feel that it will make everything OP alongside these classes (Scouts OP, HMG's OP and most of all Shotgunners). So I decided that we can have a debate/discussion on this topic before it becomes incredibly OP and everyone start using it. I will also showcase what is balanced as opposed to "what is cooler". (IMO) I honestly feel that the Active Camo would be better suited for this game, due to the fact that we have light shadows and particle effects that can show case the Predator shadow, stalking it prey instead of them being COMPLETELY invisible from everyone and coming in and out of it. Active Camo: MGS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErfzjA4jWbM Stealth Camo: GR:FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_B5zlprWHQ P.S.: I don't know if the name of this module is correct, but I heard it comes from the casing of a sword or dagger............ facing you with a camo device? no thanks. i came across you once, you murdered our entire squad in a scout suit. well done, you are probably the best scout in the game. you are a nightmare
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1054	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:29:00 - [25] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account While they are "heavies", they do NOT have a Heavy Weapon slot. So, why would you reference them when talking about "ohnoes HMG + Cloak = OP!!!!"? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 322	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:31:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account While they are "heavies", they do NOT have a Heavy Weapon slot. So, why would you reference them when talking about "ohnoes HMG + Cloak = OP!!!!"? Because I consider them to be heavies, hell they are still deadly at both long range and short. Can you imagine a Commando in cloak with a shotgun, defending a point.....That's pretty scary. If you were a Scout its another thing because you have low health but Commandos are intimidating with a Shotgun in CQC.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 640	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:32:00 - [27] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account commando suits can't equip HMG or FG. so your talk about HMG = OP because of the camo system is pretty much redundant. i'd suggest you fall off the cliff and delete your account instead since you can't tell the difference between a commando suit and a heavy suit. We abandoned the cause, our immortality is for hire!!! ßòÖ(GçÇGÇ+Gå+GÇ¦)ßòù
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 322	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:37:00 - [28] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account commando suits can't equip HMG or FG. so your talk about HMG = OP because of the camo system is pretty much redundant. i'd suggest you fall off the cliff and delete your account instead since you can't tell the difference between a commando suit and a heavy suit. May I remind you that they are still in the SAME FRAME and probably the same polygon structure, man you are ******* stupid. They have the same frame as an HMG, thus to ME, they are classified as a Heavy. Nice try though.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1054	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:39:00 - [29] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account While they are "heavies", they do NOT have a Heavy Weapon slot. So, why would you reference them when talking about "ohnoes HMG + Cloak = OP!!!!"? Because I consider them to be heavies, hell they are still deadly at both long range and short. Can you imagine a Commando in cloak with a shotgun, defending a point.....That's pretty scary. If you were a Scout its another thing because you have low health but Commandos are intimidating with a Shotgun in CQC. Scary =/= OP Besides, it isn't really that scary, you just need to adapt. Get yourself a canary for your coal mine and bait the Commando out of his cloak only to die to the NK Minja who was cloaked there waiting for the bait to be taken Teamwork, the REAL really scary and most OP thing in Dust. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 640	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:41:00 - [30] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account commando suits can't equip HMG or FG. so your talk about HMG = OP because of the camo system is pretty much redundant. i'd suggest you fall off the cliff and delete your account instead since you can't tell the difference between a commando suit and a heavy suit. May I remind you that they are still in the SAME FRAME and probably the same polygon structure, man you are ******* stupid. They have the same frame as an HMG, thus to ME, they are classified as a Heavy. Nice try though. lol me stupid?? coming from the guy who said the HMG will be OP due to the camo system? and now trying to argue with me about the commando suit? you do know that the HMG stands for Heavy Machine Gun right? and its a weapon that can only be used by the heavy suit and not the commando suit. We abandoned the cause, our immortality is for hire!!! ßòÖ(GçÇGÇ+Gå+GÇ¦)ßòù

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1054	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:43:00 - [31] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account commando suits can't equip HMG or FG. so your talk about HMG = OP because of the camo system is pretty much redundant. i'd suggest you fall off the cliff and delete your account instead since you can't tell the difference between a commando suit and a heavy suit. May I remind you that they are still in the SAME FRAME and probably the same polygon structure, man you are ******* stupid. They have the same frame as an HMG, thus to ME, they are classified as a Heavy. Nice try though. All that means is that they have the same monster hitbox and less EHP than the Sentinel, so the should go down much easier Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 323	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:44:00 - [32] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account commando suits can't equip HMG or FG. so your talk about HMG = OP because of the camo system is pretty much redundant. i'd suggest you fall off the cliff and delete your account instead since you can't tell the difference between a commando suit and a heavy suit. May I remind you that they are still in the SAME FRAME and probably the same polygon structure, man you are ******* stupid. They have the same frame as an HMG, thus to ME, they are classified as a Heavy. Nice try though. lol me stupid?? coming from the guy who said the HMG will be OP due to the camo system? and now trying to argue with me about the commando suit? you do know that the HMG stands for Heavy Machine Gun right? and its a weapon that can only be used by the heavy suit and not the commando suit. Thanks for repeatedly bumping this topic btw* But as I stated again and again, TO ME, the Commando suit is a Heavy or an HMG because I classify them as and HMG. They are still Heavies.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1149	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:45:00 - [33] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: So I heard from a little birdy awhile ago about this that we will be receiving in the coming future a Stealth Camo (Equipment slot based) module that will be somewhat (IMO) OP. I cant remember the stats that he said (they told me this about a month in a half ago) but from what he told me, honestly worried me because I feel that it will make everything OP alongside these classes (Scouts OP, HMG's OP and most of all Shotgunners). So I decided that we can have a debate/discussion on this topic before it becomes incredibly OP and everyone start using it. I will also showcase what is balanced as opposed to "what is cooler". (IMO) I honestly feel that the Active Camo would be better suited for this game, due to the fact that we have light shadows and particle effects that can show case the Predator shadow, stalking it prey instead of them being COMPLETELY invisible from everyone and coming in and out of it. Active Camo: MGS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErfzjA4jWbM Stealth Camo: GR:FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_B5zlprWHQ P.S.: I don't know if the name of this module is correct, but I heard it comes from the casing of a sword or dagger............ Do it like THIS at 45 seconds. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 323	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:47:00 - [34] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The commando suit are technically heavies they have the equipment slot. Now please fall off a cliff. And delete your account commando suits can't equip HMG or FG. so your talk about HMG = OP because of the camo system is pretty much redundant. i'd suggest you fall off the cliff and delete your account instead since you can't tell the difference between a commando suit and a heavy suit. May I remind you that they are still in the SAME FRAME and probably the same polygon structure, man you are ******* stupid. They have the same frame as an HMG, thus to ME, they are classified as a Heavy. Nice try though. All that means is that they have the same monster hitbox and less EHP than the Sentinel, so the should go down much easier While that may be true, you also have to factor in the players skill and who they are facing. Just like one Scout can hold down an objective, same could be said about a "Heavy" inside that objective.


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