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castba wrote:

TcuBe3 wrote:

Mobius I gotta disagree with you on this one.

I don't think respecs are going to break or destroy the game.

The purpose isn't for FOTM it's to allow people to fix errors they made when spending SP.

I have scramble lvl 5 and AR lvl 5 and even though the scramble is buffed I'd like that SP back because I just don't like the weapon. More importantly, things like armor buffs on modules or new drop suits aren't FOTM they are game changing additions and people should be given the ability to spec into them.

Spent SP in unwanted skills is both a waste and unnecessary. Everybody isn't looking for an exploit some folks just want to alter their play style, with the significant changes that have been occurring with the new builds.

I have one question:

Why did you dump so much sp into SR before trying out the lvl 1 weapon?

Militia and basic equipment is there as a cheap (both ISK and - in the case of basic stuff - SP) way to try out a different play style. They can be effective so no need to spec proto just to try something out.

SP is easy enough to come by, just play the game and exercise patience before throwing your SP around.
Yes I have about 2mil SP in stuff I don't use. Do I want that back? Yes. Do I want respecs available? Not a chance in hell. They would be abused and create much more imbalance than we already have.

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Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 663	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:07:00 - [31] - Quote Seeing as though they said no full respecs, unless they change something a lot (like 1.5 for vehicles and AV) or they ad missing racial frames and hulls that should have been in day 1, no respecs.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 763	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:43:00 - [32] - Quote I agree that the pirate faction items are a great way of dealing with this endless stream of tears coming from the pro-respec faction. Torneido Achura wrote: Now, tell me how someone related to me buying -50 shades of bullcrap-, with my money, is in any sort of way of value to me? I have no real idea what this means so I can't really argue against it but if you are saying you payed for something and want a refund I think you already know that there are no refunds on purchases via the PSN store so I would just give up. Honestly though your post was unreadable. Jathniel wrote: The concept of no respecs mean your are penalizing responsible AND irresponsible players alike for their decisions on gear and equipment. No repsecs means no one is penalized since the equation is the same for everyone, period. You're not having something taken away from you by not being given a respec, something CCP never promised. Infact you are being given the opportunity to skill into new things while retaining the current skills of your merc. Why divest in something that will be usefull in some situation. You can always buy other skills to get into a fit you are interested in. Jathniel wrote: A vet fully spec'd out in ARs isn't any better than a newer player fully spec'd in ARs. A respec isn't going to magically make either of them any better at ARs if they were fully spec'd to begin with! A vet fully speced into something will have all the support skills to make that weapon even more powerfull. A new player fully specced into an item is only going to have that item skilled into, not all the other skills that actually make it beastly. Lets take the shotgun for an example rather than an AR just for the sake of a better argument. Sure a new player can pretty quickly spec up to operations level 5 but a vet will be specced up to operations 5, prof. 5, kin cat. 5, biotics 5, and cardiac regulation 5 as well as having level 5 in their dropsuit of choice. All of this means that the vet will hit harder and be able to get up to his targets faster. They vey will be infinitely more destructive than the new player. The vet is better than the newer player even though the new player can also use the proto level shotgun. What a respec would do is allow vets to become more than proficient in a single weapon with no lag time. Imagine a new weapon comes out, the mag sec smg for example. I being a vet spend a measly few thousand sp I have laying about to test the weapon when it comes out. But wait, I notice that it is much more powerful than its stats would imply. Using my repsec I quickly spec into mag sec smgs, minmatar assault suits, and speed mods. Now all 21 million of my skill points are built into a suit that is specifically designed to exploit a broken skill. No new player can even come close to competing with me, regardless of the fact that they can respec into the weapon as well. I will benefit as the vet with 21 million skill points since I will get to dominate the community until a nerf is put in place, where upon I will activate one of my stock of 30 day omega boosters and take a break until I have my next respec, then I will once again find the new FOTM and stomp all over you again. No one benefits from the entire community being able to rapidly divest from their skills and put all their points into what is great at the time but the vets will do the best in this scenario. All that will happen is instead of a trickle of people slowly skilling into the new FOTM we will have a tidal wave of people skilling into them, making the game less fun for everyone. Yes people want to optimize their sp allocation whenever a change is made, and part of the glory of this game is that they can't. They have to work on building upon their existing skill base whenever a change is made. This is the balancing factor. Vets, new players, it doesn't matter we all need to deal with the changes. We all need to save up if we want to skill into the newest items, we all need to explore the depth of the skill tree and revel in the variety of skills we acquire over time. It also means we all get to see new combinations of gear that can be made with the skills we've aquired. That permanency of skills is an essential part of the game, one that needs to stay intact.
castba Penguin's March 119	Posted - 2013.09.15 22:55:00 - [33] - Quote TcuBe3 wrote: Mobius I gotta disagree with you on this one. I don't think respecs are going to break or destroy the game. The purpose isn't for FOTM it's to allow people to fix errors they made when spending SP. I have scramble lvl 5 and AR lvl 5 and even though the scramble is buffed I'd like that SP back because I just don't like the weapon. More importantly, things like armor buffs on modules or new drop suits aren't FOTM they are game changing additions and people should be given the ability to spec into them. Spent SP in unwanted skills is both a waste and unnecessary. Everybody isn't looking for an exploit some folks just want to alter their play style, with the significant changes that have been occurring with the new builds. I have one question: Why did you dump so much sp into SR before trying out the lvl 1 weapon? Militia and basic equipment is there as a cheap (both ISK and - in the case of basic stuff - SP) way to try out a different play style. They can be effective so no need to spec proto just to try something out. SP is easy enough to come by, just play the game and exercise patience before throwing your SP around. Yes I have about 2mil SP in stuff I don't use. Do I want that back? Yes. Do I want respecs available? Not a chance in hell. They would be abused and create much more imbalance than we already have.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 78	Posted - 2013.09.15 22:57:00 - [34] - Quote LOL DONT U EVER LISTEN CCP SAID NOMORE RESPECS OK OK.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1073	Posted - 2013.09.15 23:43:00 - [35] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: LOL DONT U EVER LISTEN CCP SAID NOMORE RESPECS OK OK. Poor sad blobs. CCP does not have POWER over their players. Players have power over gaming companies. If The Player base request a respec with valid points , CCP will have to eventually give us one. So, stop it. we already know what CCP said. We just dont care.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 677	Posted - 2013.09.15 23:55:00 - [36] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: LOL DONT U EVER LISTEN CCP SAID NOMORE RESPECS OK OK. Poor sad blobs. CCP does not have POWER over their players. Players have power over gaming companiesTHe mere fact you DO think whatever a game company says its final its funny, ITs like Xbox one scrubs with their no game sharing + internet connection only policy, and THEY ARE MICROSOFT, a lot more powerful than CCP....WHAT PLAYER WANT IS ALL TAHT MATTERS, i mean if you want your game to be successful.... If The Player base request a respec with valid points , CCP will have to eventually give us one. So, stop it. we already know what CCP said. We just dont care. I swear I know someone who has a similar mentality as you that has 'king' in their name.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1074	Posted - 2013.09.16 00:03:00 - [37] - Quote I bet he's smart and handsome.
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.09.16 00:06:00 - [38] - Quote castba wrote: TcuBe3 wrote: Mobius I gotta disagree with you on this one. I don't think respecs are going to break or destroy the game. The purpose isn't for FOTM it's to allow people to fix errors they made when spending SP. I have scramble lvl 5 and AR lvl 5 and even though the scramble is buffed I'd like that SP back because I just don't like the weapon. More importantly, things like armor buffs on modules or new drop suits aren't FOTM they are game changing additions and people should be given the ability to spec into them. Spent SP in unwanted skills is both a waste and unnecessary. Everybody isn't looking for an exploit some folks just want to alter their play style, with the significant changes that have been occurring with the new builds. I have one question: Why did you dump so much sp into SR before trying out the lvl 1 weapon? Militia and basic equipment is there as a cheap (both ISK and - in the case of basic stuff - SP) way to try out a different play style. They can be effective so no need to spec proto just to try something out. SP is easy enough to come by, just play the game and exercise patience before throwing your SP around. Yes I have about 2mil SP in stuff I don't use. Do I want that back? Yes. Do I want respecs available? Not a chance in hell. They would be abused and create much more imbalance than we already have. Noted... Thanks for telling me how to spend my SP, I appreciate it. I just didn't like the SR.. I'd like the SP but not really upset about it. Respecs occurred once before, did that ruin the game? Did people exploit the game? Well let me awnser that for you... NO!!! No one is exploiting the game anymore then they already have and every OP weapon has a counter measure regardless of how ridiculous it is. I'm not going to defend a no respec argument until the build becomes more steady and they continuously input new equipment which requires skills.


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