What scout suit, what weapon, matchmaking against noobs?
Ya honestly I can't stand people posting this picture crap like its some kind of proof, when there not even full time scouts.

Not trying to sound like a jerk but pictures mean nothing, there's no proof ur not sniping, tanking or running around with a Ar.
Scouts I know are dead against rifles.

Running around in a militia armor tanked scout with a rifle isn't how most of use do it.
Plus once you hit proto an cant fit anything on ur suit because it's not enough.

These are a lot of problems with the scout that were trying to get fixed, can't speak for everyone but I hate it when some assault tourist in a cheap scout using a rifle try's to tell me the class is fine, it's not

The problem with the scout is what everyone imagined the scout would be.

Everyone foresaw the scout as being a skintight suit that allowed you to infiltrate enemy installations undetected while sneaking up behind unsuspecting foes. People thought you'd be able to fade into the aether of space at the press of a button masking your signature from all methods of sight and detection.

What we really have is a skintight suit that dies when an enemy gazes at it hard enough and can barely fit anything worthy of use.

Scouts are broken.

What scout suit, what weapon, matchmaking against noobs?
Ya honestly I can't stand people posting this picture crap like its some kind of proof, when there not even full time scouts.

Not trying to sound like a jerk but pictures mean nothing, there's no proof ur not sniping, tanking or running around with a Ar.
Scouts I know are dead against rifles.

Running around in a militia armor tanked scout with a rifle isn't how most of use do it.
Plus once you hit proto an cant fit anything on ur suit because it's not enough.

These are a lot of problems with the scout that were trying to get fixed, can't speak for everyone but I hate it when some assault tourist in a cheap scout using a rifle try's to tell me the class is fine, it's not

Just a thought - if you fit your assault with dampeners and carried a scanner instead of a hive (I know I'm making presumptions here) do you feel you'd do better or worse playing scout style than an actual light/scout suit?

When I was trying to decide on my focus a while back I played mlt min-assault/mlt gallente light. There was only one thing, one specific moment that turned me over to the light side - I tried to jump some boxes in my assault and failed, where i knew the light frame succeeded.

This means one thing and one thing only. I'm a mutha ******* moron.

Good sir, I humbly ask, are you a mutha ******* moron or will you go back to playing assault?

Looks like you were poaching kills in a one-sided stomping...you had 50+ assists and perhaps a couple orbitals, am i wrong?

Also, dying 7 times in a stomping, or any match, is getting up kinda high.

If you looked you would see what the suit used was and the weapon. If you refuse to believe that's your problem.

What does the running with an AR comment suppose to mean, are scouts not suppose to use them? And how do most do it? Are you sure what you are doing is the right thing to do in the first place? I would like proof that what ever you do is the right way.

My team lost and I was running solo, so unfortuanetly no.

In that case gj.

Ar prof?

Not too long ago lots of scouts used to roll with the AR. Now it is almost percieved as dirty to use an AR on a light.

I think most scouts are assumed and thought of as shot gunners. I would say that is the iconic scout role here in DUST.

IMHO - Its fine, use what you like. Experiment! That the nature of the eve universe.

However the shotgun scout has a lot of issues still. The light suits in general have issues too.

Well I've never heard of your corp an your likes tell me either your not on the forums a lot or your somewhat new maybe between 5 an ten mill sp?
So jumpin in a fast suit when AR is at its most op an trying to tell vets were doing it wrong! Ballz on you eh!
Sure run that AR but you get no scout love from me bro, AR isn't scout, free bpo isn't scout to me either.
Dedication is scout, all ur sp in scout is scout, Cqc is scout, dealing with broken weapons to play cqc is scout, waiting for them to fix your class an dealing with it an not picking up a rifle is scout!

You sir are not scout, your gloating failed

Yes, I do see a lot of scouts using shotguns. It is just not my style, I like to be able to have enough space so if something goes wrong I can high tail it quickly.

Try using a SCOUT weapon like a Shotgun or even better Nova Knives and tell us how easy it is.

"Don't think scouts are that bad." - Uses Assault Rifle

/facepalm

Seriously, do I need to say anything more than that? The assault rifle is the dominant weapon on the battlefield. Especially with the AutoAim. I could hand my toddler the controller with auto aim and an AR and they would manage to get kills. Try using a SCOUT weapon like a Shotgun or even better Nova Knives and tell us how easy it is.

Just had an awesome match running as a light suit with an active scanner.

http://m.imgur.com/a/UMwSj

Normally I run cal Assualt and all my skills are for the most part in that, but I have a light suit that I like to mess around with lately because I like being sneaky. Now I know that this match isn't typical, but I have never gotten such a high KDR with my Assualt suit and I think this shows the potential of a light suit when played being sneaky and using active scanners.

We've had our moments and I applaud yours. I've had 23/3 in all MLT scout before but to be honest, as you progress, through higher gear, higher SP, harder enemies, the scout degrades.

Right now I have all my +CPU,PG,Armor,and Shield Skills to level 5. It only gave me +17 shields, and maybe +32 armor. However, on my few MLT medium frames, it gives me waaaay more boosting. This applies to all skills except Range Amplification, Shield Recharge Skills, and Stamina Skills. Every level of Profile Dampening/Precision gives you less buff to those areas than a Medium frame yet you will still be superior in those areas.

My Armor & Shield skills are much much much less potent when combined with a scout because by nature, the scout has lower numbers to work with. Lower Profile/Precision numbers, Lower Shield/Armor numbers, Lower CPU/PG numbers.



You can quote me on that.

While I don't have a video to prove how I was playing, to sum it up I was hiding, scanning, hitting from behind when they were busy with my team, and camping points when there was noone near. I rarely went head on in it, and only when they were almost dad.

Sig radius only matters if someone points a scanner at you. This, in my experience, hardly ever happens when flanking anyway.

Lower-tier Light suits and Scouts are pretty well-balanced against the other suits of equal level.

The problem is that they gain slightly less additional slots than they should and do so without gaining enough PG/CPU to make use of them like any other class can.

Actually, unless you max stealth tank yourself, which you can do just as well with a Proto Assault as you can with a Scout (still with more EHP), high-end Scanners will light you up regardless. Sig radius only matters if you're within 10 - 15m of a target WITHOUT a Scanner.

Good match, Sten! Thanks for sharing.
Kinda fun sneakin' about with that Scanner, right?
Getting the drop on people has been easier this build.

Now we need only work on our execution.

- Shotty GoBang

PS: Scouts aren't bad; they are comparatively bad. Which is why sane Scouts run Assault or Logi in PC.

Normally I run cal Assualt

The problem with the scout is what everyone imagined the scout would be.

Everyone foresaw the scout as being a skintight suit that allowed you to infiltrate enemy installations undetected while sneaking up behind unsuspecting foes. People thought you'd be able to fade into the aether of space at the press of a button masking your signature from all methods of sight and detection.

What we really have is a skintight suit that dies when an enemy gazes at it hard enough and can barely fit anything worthy of use.

Scouts are broken.

And why do you think that is the only way a scout is suppose to be? where are you going to be when your broken weapons are fixed? by your defintion you will no longer be scout. If CQC is what you enjoy then power to ya and have fun with it, but this game is not about pigeon holing a suit to one and only one role or style. It's about trying different things to see what works for you.
Personnel I feel that by what an actual scout in RL is, CQC is the last thing you want to do, but I'm not denouncing it because it is what you want to do, have fun with it.


Yes I was excited by the outcome of the match and wanted to share it a bit, and you turn it into a message of hate. Why so bitter? Have you ever shared a good match with anyone else? If so then you are just as guilty as me.

The problem with the scout is what everyone imagined the scout would be.

Everyone foresaw the scout as being a skintight suit that allowed you to infiltrate enemy installations undetected while sneaking up behind unsuspecting foes. People thought you'd be able to fade into the aether of space at the press of a button masking your signature from all methods of sight and detection.

What we really have is a skintight suit that dies when an enemy gazes at it hard enough and can barely fit anything worthy of use.

Scouts are broken.

now, now.. scouts need some kind of range, to be fair.

Have him use a pistol

They're not broken. Do you know how many times I have died by a scout with nova knifes and I will never forget that proto minmatar scout with 340 sheild and a AR, he just cut right through me. They're not broken just hard to use.

Just had an awesome match running as a light suit with an active scanner.

http://m.imgur.com/a/UMwSj

Normally I run cal Assualt and all my skills are for the most part in that, but I have a light suit that I like to mess around with lately because I like being sneaky. Now I know that this match isn't typical, but I have never gotten such a high KDR with my Assualt suit and I think this shows the potential of a light suit when played being sneaky and using active scanners.

There is a difference between sharing an being miss leading, an hate?
Well bro we been scouts for a year, an you go make a "beast " title that could undo any work an tests we have put on the forums just because of your stupid title!
Other "MILITIA SCOUTS/AR TOURISTS" come on here posting this crap when your not even a scout, I would never even start on saying anything about a class that I'm not, because when this game started it was about specializing .

So if you haven't specialized in it , don't make a misleading thread then defend it after you already previously renaged the comment.

We've been crapped on for months, an all it takes is someone like you to gain a ton of other AR users to hop the bandwagon an get the DEVS to back off of fixing it an months of our progress is lost.

So congrats you used a op weapon on a fast suit an got a great score, good for you maybe you should be a scout then an dump all your sp in it for months, is it worth leaving your assault suit for , and the rifle?

We play scouts with knives, an shotguns, an melees because it's man mode!
You can you use a rifle in Any shooter so it's boring, dust let's you be different, an id rather be a good scout with a low kdr using the hardest possible play style than be just another idiot with a gun.
I go no gun an get 27 kills, and 3 matches like that beats anything you get with a gun!
28 kills with remotes alone, no other weapons, cuz that's man mode, even my two year old got 4 kills with a faylock, back when it killed just as fast as a AR does now.

Point being, skills mean nothing now, the game changed, an it's because of that dumb gun, an you getting that many kills, sorry to say is the gun, not you.
Unless you always got those scores before 1.4 but I doubt it. Cause personally it wouldn't matter what suit you wore as long as you had a rifle an some speed, so one match with that score doesn't deserve the title, sorry but if you knifed that many people, every scout would praise you an that's the difference .
For now your a tourist, so hopefully I pissed you off enough to get off the fence an you proto a scout an drop that rifle an become the best shot gunner there is, but if not.......... Use ur rifle

Some of the comments in here are just, well, words escape me.

But I will say this:
Are you "vets" saying that because I was originally assault and now play scout almost exclusively that Im any less educated on how to use the scout effectively? You "veteran" guys should go flaunt your egos somewhere else, just because some people choose to put an AR on their light fit doesn't mean theyre any less of a scout enthusiast as you "vet" guys. If I want to run a AR instead of your "proper scout" weapons I will do it, it's a game, I wanna have fun, I dont want to use a shotgun or Nova Knives and so I wont. Deal with it. Just because our KDRs are "cushioned" by our use of "nonscouty" weapons doesnt mean we're not scouting properly.

Inb4 "you AR *insert colourful insult here*" No, im a SMG user (Use it as my primary <3).

On a side note the scout does need some tweaking <3

P.S. Of course not all vet guys are silly, only some are. Love you guys who have their feet firmly on the ground! <3

Ya but I bet he had no equip, sidearm, or grenade an used a CPU chip= broken

I don't see how it's broken, if he wants to play fast and use a weapon he knows he can solo with then let him.