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Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2013.09.13 18:57:00 -
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Just had an awesome match running as a light suit with an active scanner.
http://m.imgur.com/a/UMwSj
Normally I run cal Assualt and all my skills are for the most part in that, but I have a light suit that I like to mess around with lately because I like being sneaky. Now I know that this match isn't typical, but I have never gotten such a high KDR with my Assualt suit and I think this shows the potential of a light suit when played being sneaky and using active scanners.
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OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
630
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:18:00 -
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What scout suit, what weapon, matchmaking against noobs? Ya honestly I can't stand people posting this picture crap like its some kind of proof, when there not even full time scouts.
Not trying to sound like a jerk but pictures mean nothing, there's no proof ur not sniping, tanking or running around with a Ar. Scouts I know are dead against rifles.
Running around in a militia armor tanked scout with a rifle isn't how most of use do it. Plus once you hit proto an cant fit anything on ur suit because it's not enough.
These are a lot of problems with the scout that were trying to get fixed, can't speak for everyone but I hate it when some assault tourist in a cheap scout using a rifle try's to tell me the class is fine, it's not |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:24:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:What scout suit, what weapon, matchmaking against noobs? Ya honestly I can't stand people posting this picture crap like its some kind of proof, when there not even full time scouts.
Not trying to sound like a jerk but pictures mean nothing, there's no proof ur not sniping, tanking or running around with a Ar. Scouts I know are dead against rifles.
Running around in a militia armor tanked scout with a rifle isn't how most of use do it. Plus once you hit proto an cant fit anything on ur suit because it's not enough.
These are a lot of problems with the scout that were trying to get fixed, can't speak for everyone but I hate it when some assault tourist in a cheap scout using a rifle try's to tell me the class is fine, it's not
According to one of his pics, he was using a STD AR and a STD light frame |
Aisha Ctarl
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1299
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:27:00 -
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The problem with the scout is what everyone imagined the scout would be.
Everyone foresaw the scout as being a skintight suit that allowed you to infiltrate enemy installations undetected while sneaking up behind unsuspecting foes. People thought you'd be able to fade into the aether of space at the press of a button masking your signature from all methods of sight and detection.
What we really have is a skintight suit that dies when an enemy gazes at it hard enough and can barely fit anything worthy of use.
Scouts are broken. |
Yan Darn
DUST University Ivy League
135
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:30:00 -
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Just a thought - if you fit your assault with dampeners and carried a scanner instead of a hive (I know I'm making presumptions here) do you feel you'd do better or worse playing scout style than an actual light/scout suit?
When I was trying to decide on my focus a while back I played mlt min-assault/mlt gallente light. There was only one thing, one specific moment that turned me over to the light side - I tried to jump some boxes in my assault and failed, where i knew the light frame succeeded.
This means one thing and one thing only. I'm a mutha ******* moron.
Good sir, I humbly ask, are you a mutha ******* moron or will you go back to playing assault? |
Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
35
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:31:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:The problem with the scout is what everyone imagined the scout would be.
Everyone foresaw the scout as being a skintight suit that allowed you to infiltrate enemy installations undetected while sneaking up behind unsuspecting foes. People thought you'd be able to fade into the aether of space at the press of a button masking your signature from all methods of sight and detection.
What we really have is a skintight suit that dies when an enemy gazes at it hard enough and can barely fit anything worthy of use.
Scouts are broken.
While I don't have a video to prove how I was playing, to sum it up I was hiding, scanning, hitting from behind when they were busy with my team, and camping points when there was noone near. I rarely went head on in it, and only when they were almost dad. |
Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
35
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:35:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:What scout suit, what weapon, matchmaking against noobs? Ya honestly I can't stand people posting this picture crap like its some kind of proof, when there not even full time scouts.
Not trying to sound like a jerk but pictures mean nothing, there's no proof ur not sniping, tanking or running around with a Ar. Scouts I know are dead against rifles.
Running around in a militia armor tanked scout with a rifle isn't how most of use do it. Plus once you hit proto an cant fit anything on ur suit because it's not enough.
These are a lot of problems with the scout that were trying to get fixed, can't speak for everyone but I hate it when some assault tourist in a cheap scout using a rifle try's to tell me the class is fine, it's not
If you looked you would see what the suit used was and the weapon. If you refuse to believe that's your problem.
What does the running with an AR comment suppose to mean, are scouts not suppose to use them? And how do most do it? Are you sure what you are doing is the right thing to do in the first place? I would like proof that what ever you do is the right way. |
Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
35
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:39:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:Just a thought - if you fit your assault with dampeners and carried a scanner instead of a hive (I know I'm making presumptions here) do you feel you'd do better or worse playing scout style than an actual light/scout suit?
When I was trying to decide on my focus a while back I played mlt min-assault/mlt gallente light. There was only one thing, one specific moment that turned me over to the light side - I tried to jump some boxes in my assault and failed, where i knew the light frame succeeded.
This means one thing and one thing only. I'm a mutha ******* moron.
Good sir, I humbly ask, are you a mutha ******* moron or will you go back to playing assault?
I play what I fun at the time. And right now I'm enjoying light frames. Will I stay and skill into? Not until all racial come out and I can make the right choice. I plan on skilling into atleast one in each, light, medium, and heavy. |
pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
241
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:39:00 -
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Looks like you were poaching kills in a one-sided stomping...you had 50+ assists and perhaps a couple orbitals, am i wrong?
Also, dying 7 times in a stomping, or any match, is getting up kinda high. |
Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
35
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:40:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Looks like you were poaching kills in a one-sided stomping...you had 50+ assists and perhaps a couple orbitals, am i wrong?
Also, dying 7 times in a stomping, or any match, is getting up kinda high.
My team lost and I was running solo, so unfortuanetly no. |
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CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
281
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:45:00 -
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Slen Kaleth wrote:OZAROW wrote:What scout suit, what weapon, matchmaking against noobs? Ya honestly I can't stand people posting this picture crap like its some kind of proof, when there not even full time scouts.
Not trying to sound like a jerk but pictures mean nothing, there's no proof ur not sniping, tanking or running around with a Ar. Scouts I know are dead against rifles.
Running around in a militia armor tanked scout with a rifle isn't how most of use do it. Plus once you hit proto an cant fit anything on ur suit because it's not enough.
These are a lot of problems with the scout that were trying to get fixed, can't speak for everyone but I hate it when some assault tourist in a cheap scout using a rifle try's to tell me the class is fine, it's not If you looked you would see what the suit used was and the weapon. If you refuse to believe that's your problem. What does the running with an AR comment suppose to mean, are scouts not suppose to use them? And how do most do it? Are you sure what you are doing is the right thing to do in the first place? I would like proof that what ever you do is the right way.
Not too long ago lots of scouts used to roll with the AR. Now it is almost percieved as dirty to use an AR on a light.
I think most scouts are assumed and thought of as shot gunners. I would say that is the iconic scout role here in DUST.
IMHO - Its fine, use what you like. Experiment! That the nature of the eve universe.
However the shotgun scout has a lot of issues still. The light suits in general have issues too. |
pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
241
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:45:00 -
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Slen Kaleth wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:Looks like you were poaching kills in a one-sided stomping...you had 50+ assists and perhaps a couple orbitals, am i wrong?
Also, dying 7 times in a stomping, or any match, is getting up kinda high. My team lost and I was running solo, so unfortuanetly no. In that case gj.
Ar prof? |
Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
35
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:53:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Slen Kaleth wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:Looks like you were poaching kills in a one-sided stomping...you had 50+ assists and perhaps a couple orbitals, am i wrong?
Also, dying 7 times in a stomping, or any match, is getting up kinda high. My team lost and I was running solo, so unfortuanetly no. In that case gj. Ar prof?
Lvl 2 just got enough after the match to put it to 3 |
Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
36
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:59:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Slen Kaleth wrote:OZAROW wrote:What scout suit, what weapon, matchmaking against noobs? Ya honestly I can't stand people posting this picture crap like its some kind of proof, when there not even full time scouts.
Not trying to sound like a jerk but pictures mean nothing, there's no proof ur not sniping, tanking or running around with a Ar. Scouts I know are dead against rifles.
Running around in a militia armor tanked scout with a rifle isn't how most of use do it. Plus once you hit proto an cant fit anything on ur suit because it's not enough.
These are a lot of problems with the scout that were trying to get fixed, can't speak for everyone but I hate it when some assault tourist in a cheap scout using a rifle try's to tell me the class is fine, it's not If you looked you would see what the suit used was and the weapon. If you refuse to believe that's your problem. What does the running with an AR comment suppose to mean, are scouts not suppose to use them? And how do most do it? Are you sure what you are doing is the right thing to do in the first place? I would like proof that what ever you do is the right way. Not too long ago lots of scouts used to roll with the AR. Now it is almost percieved as dirty to use an AR on a light. I think most scouts are assumed and thought of as shot gunners. I would say that is the iconic scout role here in DUST. IMHO - Its fine, use what you like. Experiment! That the nature of the eve universe. However the shotgun scout has a lot of issues still. The light suits in general have issues too.
Yes, I do see a lot of scouts using shotguns. It is just not my style, I like to be able to have enough space so if something goes wrong I can high tail it quickly. |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
634
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:38:00 -
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Well I've never heard of your corp an your likes tell me either your not on the forums a lot or your somewhat new maybe between 5 an ten mill sp? So jumpin in a fast suit when AR is at its most op an trying to tell vets were doing it wrong! Ballz on you eh! Sure run that AR but you get no scout love from me bro, AR isn't scout, free bpo isn't scout to me either. Dedication is scout, all ur sp in scout is scout, Cqc is scout, dealing with broken weapons to play cqc is scout, waiting for them to fix your class an dealing with it an not picking up a rifle is scout!
You sir are not scout, your gloating failed |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
634
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:40:00 -
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Get 20 kills with no bullets an we ll talk |
Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
36
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:57:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Well I've never heard of your corp an your likes tell me either your not on the forums a lot or your somewhat new maybe between 5 an ten mill sp? So jumpin in a fast suit when AR is at its most op an trying to tell vets were doing it wrong! Ballz on you eh! Sure run that AR but you get no scout love from me bro, AR isn't scout, free bpo isn't scout to me either. Dedication is scout, all ur sp in scout is scout, Cqc is scout, dealing with broken weapons to play cqc is scout, waiting for them to fix your class an dealing with it an not picking up a rifle is scout!
You sir are not scout, your gloating failed
And why do you think that is the only way a scout is suppose to be? where are you going to be when your broken weapons are fixed? by your defintion you will no longer be scout. If CQC is what you enjoy then power to ya and have fun with it, but this game is not about pigeon holing a suit to one and only one role or style. It's about trying different things to see what works for you. Personnel I feel that by what an actual scout in RL is, CQC is the last thing you want to do, but I'm not denouncing it because it is what you want to do, have fun with it.
Yes I was excited by the outcome of the match and wanted to share it a bit, and you turn it into a message of hate. Why so bitter? Have you ever shared a good match with anyone else? If so then you are just as guilty as me. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1264
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:09:00 -
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Slen Kaleth wrote:Yes, I do see a lot of scouts using shotguns. It is just not my style, I like to be able to have enough space so if something goes wrong I can high tail it quickly.
AR scout, especially with the Tactical AR, is enjoyable and effective. I have an advanced Minmatar Scout I break out sometimes and go hunting with. The AR let's you keep enough distance to get away and flank them again. With the shotgun you are committed once you show up on their TACNET.
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BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
467
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:15:00 -
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"Don't think scouts are that bad." - Uses Assault Rifle
/facepalm
Seriously, do I need to say anything more than that? The assault rifle is the dominant weapon on the battlefield. Especially with the AutoAim. I could hand my toddler the controller with auto aim and an AR and they would manage to get kills. Try using a SCOUT weapon like a Shotgun or even better Nova Knives and tell us how easy it is. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1764
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:19:00 -
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We've had our moments and I applaud yours. I've had 23/3 in all MLT scout before but to be honest, as you progress, through higher gear, higher SP, harder enemies, the scout degrades.
Right now I have all my +CPU,PG,Armor,and Shield Skills to level 5. It only gave me +17 shields, and maybe +32 armor. However, on my few MLT medium frames, it gives me waaaay more boosting. This applies to all skills except Range Amplification, Shield Recharge Skills, and Stamina Skills. Every level of Profile Dampening/Precision gives you less buff to those areas than a Medium frame yet you will still be superior in those areas.
My Armor & Shield skills are much much much less potent when combined with a scout because by nature, the scout has lower numbers to work with. Lower Profile/Precision numbers, Lower Shield/Armor numbers, Lower CPU/PG numbers.
The Scout, Unlike Whiskey, Degrades With Age, Comparatively
You can quote me on that. |
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Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
118
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:22:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Try using a SCOUT weapon like a Shotgun or even better Nova Knives and tell us how easy it is.
now, now.. scouts need some kind of range, to be fair.
Have him use a pistol
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Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
36
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:27:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:"Don't think scouts are that bad." - Uses Assault Rifle
/facepalm
Seriously, do I need to say anything more than that? The assault rifle is the dominant weapon on the battlefield. Especially with the AutoAim. I could hand my toddler the controller with auto aim and an AR and they would manage to get kills. Try using a SCOUT weapon like a Shotgun or even better Nova Knives and tell us how easy it is.
Don't know where you got the notion that i said it was easy. I Just said I don't think that they are bad as everyone thinks they are.
If scouts are having trouble with so called "SCOUT" weapons, but can do well with others, don't you think it indicates that the problem is not necessarily with the suit, but the weapons? Also those weapons are very situtational, one thing out of place and it can go very badly for the scout. I'm actually thinking that scrambler might be an even better fit, can keep even farther away, pull off pop charge shots and scram before anyone is the wiser.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3993
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Posted - 2013.09.13 22:15:00 -
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Lower-tier Light suits and Scouts are pretty well-balanced against the other suits of equal level.
The problem is that they gain slightly less additional slots than they should and do so without gaining enough PG/CPU to make use of them like any other class can. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1102
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Posted - 2013.09.14 08:49:00 -
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Slen Kaleth wrote:Just had an awesome match running as a light suit with an active scanner. http://m.imgur.com/a/UMwSjNormally I run cal Assualt and all my skills are for the most part in that, but I have a light suit that I like to mess around with lately because I like being sneaky. Now I know that this match isn't typical, but I have never gotten such a high KDR with my Assualt suit and I think this shows the potential of a light suit when played being sneaky and using active scanners.
Good match, Sten! Thanks for sharing. Kinda fun sneakin' about with that Scanner, right? Getting the drop on people has been easier this build.
Now we need only work on our execution.
- Shotty GoBang
PS: Scouts aren't bad; they are comparatively bad. Which is why sane Scouts run Assault or Logi in PC. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces
438
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:06:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:We've had our moments and I applaud yours. I've had 23/3 in all MLT scout before but to be honest, as you progress, through higher gear, higher SP, harder enemies, the scout degrades. Right now I have all my +CPU,PG,Armor,and Shield Skills to level 5. It only gave me +17 shields, and maybe +32 armor. However, on my few MLT medium frames, it gives me waaaay more boosting. This applies to all skills except Range Amplification, Shield Recharge Skills, and Stamina Skills. Every level of Profile Dampening/Precision gives you less buff to those areas than a Medium frame yet you will still be superior in those areas. My Armor & Shield skills are much much much less potent when combined with a scout because by nature, the scout has lower numbers to work with. Lower Profile/Precision numbers, Lower Shield/Armor numbers, Lower CPU/PG numbers. The Scout, Unlike Whiskey, Degrades With Age, Comparatively You can quote me on that.
And so I did
@OP: You may not have used a "Scout" weapon but I feel your weapon should only be used for self defense (unless, of course, you are a slayer scout in which case you are fine.). The only thing you truly need to be a scout is a scout suit and the mind set to match. The only thing that I would say is unacceptable is scout + MD. As for the "Don't think scouts are that bad" thing.... that's quite off. But keep playing and you will find that out on your own...or you will find that you are actually the best scout ever.... but that second one is doubtful.
Best of luck to you in your future games.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
Amy Artic
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:41:00 -
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Some of the comments in here are just, well, words escape me.
But I will say this: Are you "vets" saying that because I was originally assault and now play scout almost exclusively that Im any less educated on how to use the scout effectively? You "veteran" guys should go flaunt your egos somewhere else, just because some people choose to put an AR on their light fit doesn't mean theyre any less of a scout enthusiast as you "vet" guys. If I want to run a AR instead of your "proper scout" weapons I will do it, it's a game, I wanna have fun, I dont want to use a shotgun or Nova Knives and so I wont. Deal with it. Just because our KDRs are "cushioned" by our use of "nonscouty" weapons doesnt mean we're not scouting properly.
Inb4 "you AR *insert colourful insult here*" No, im a SMG user (Use it as my primary <3).
On a side note the scout does need some tweaking <3
P.S. Of course not all vet guys are silly, only some are. Love you guys who have their feet firmly on the ground! <3 |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
216
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:51:00 -
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Why are shotguns and pistols 'scout' weapons? That's confusing. Just because your idealized concept of what is supposed to be a scout is at odds with the current mechanics of the game doesn't mean the mechanics are wrong.
I've been using a shotgun on my Logistics for a long time now and do very well with it. I've used knives on an assault. I've used a LR on a scout.
You pick your weapons based around the battle. Cherry picking weapons and claiming them as one suit over the others is silly. When I run my scout, I do my best to avoid engagements entirely. Run in, hack, run out. If I have to fight, I'm putting as much distance between that attacker and myself and using a LR or AR on him. Why would I fight up close in personal when I'm made of paper? Sure, I can assassinate enemies but if I'm doing that, I'm going to be wearing as much armor as possible and do no hacking.
We all want 'our' suits to be the best but you have to consider what works and what doesn't work. |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2013.09.14 10:55:00 -
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Slen Kaleth wrote:While I don't have a video to prove how I was playing, to sum it up I was hiding, scanning, hitting from behind when they were busy with my team, and camping points when there was noone near. I rarely went head on in it, and only when they were almost dad. Assaults can do that just as well. Possibly even better since you can stick on a proto weapon *and* get much more EHP. You'll move a little slower, but more slots and PG&CPU means you can compensate for that while still ending up better off than the scout.
Sig radius only matters if someone points a scanner at you. This, in my experience, hardly ever happens when flanking anyway. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4002
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Posted - 2013.09.14 11:05:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Sig radius only matters if someone points a scanner at you. This, in my experience, hardly ever happens when flanking anyway. Actually, unless you max stealth tank yourself, which you can do just as well with a Proto Assault as you can with a Scout (still with more EHP), high-end Scanners will light you up regardless. Sig radius only matters if you're within 10 - 15m of a target WITHOUT a Scanner. |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2013.09.14 11:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Lower-tier Light suits and Scouts are pretty well-balanced against the other suits of equal level.
The problem is that they gain slightly less additional slots than they should and do so without gaining enough PG/CPU to make use of them like any other class can. I always felt scout suits were one tier behind... so standard were comparable to militia assaults/logis, advanced to standards and proto to advanced... and then they removed one slot from proto light/scouts :P. |
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