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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
532
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:44:00 -
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Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS. |
Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder.
435
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:47:00 -
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Not mention of ARs, your creditably is out the window |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
20
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:53:00 -
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you forgot the brief moment of the mass drivers after the Nerf of the flay locks but I honestly haven't seen many LR maybe 2-3 during a match but mostly what i've seen being spammed is Duvolles (and no im not trying to get them nerfed or any thing) and i have also experienced round hitting me as i go around a corner even as i see the rounds fly by me missing me i still get hit some how. |
Blaze Ashra
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:54:00 -
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No. All they did was change the scope and ADS speed...Hardly anyone used it before those 2 changes. Just leave it alone. |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
189
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:05:00 -
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Really? already? what the ****? |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1705
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:10:00 -
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It does 40% less damage to armor than it does versus shields, so there's that. Truth is they didn't change anything about the LR other than the scope and ADS speed, if you didn't think it was a problem before I can't imagine why you'd think it's a problem now. |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
69
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:17:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
No1 is sick but maybe u should quit whining on the forum's and do something about it ? :-D |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1588
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:20:00 -
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wow.. really this, come on. a new level of sad right here. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3171
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:21:00 -
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It has begun. The nerf brigade will inevitably shift their sights on the laser once again after every other weapon including the AR is nerfed to uselessness. |
AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
100
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:25:00 -
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" I was killed by a thing faster than I thought I should be. I am upset about it." -Calvin B. 2013 |
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
600
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:25:00 -
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If you get out of its goldilocks spot it only does 1-30% dmg. Even if your in it, ARs still out do them. |
gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
159
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:26:00 -
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Shattered Mirage wrote:Really? already? what the ****? you big girls blouse
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:29:00 -
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actually i see about as many LR as i do AR out there. its just the AR's tend to steal the kills. they are far from being op especially if you compare them to how they used to be. |
Omareth Nasadra
QcGOLD
49
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:39:00 -
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LR are balanced now, i never used it but they look fine to me now, we're far from chromosome manus peak jedi battle |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3404
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:41:00 -
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I will be suing you for my medical expenses. After reading many of your threads, my sides have fallen off and will not come back on. It has been very mentally and physically traumatic, and I will not cease my legal actions until justice has been served. |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
326
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:51:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:No. All they did was change the scope and ADS speed...Hardly anyone used it before those 2 changes. Just leave it alone.
Well, that and aim assist. |
Sgt Buttscratch
SLAPHAPPY BANDITS
746
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Posted - 2013.09.13 06:53:00 -
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I like my lazer rifle, and I am not sick of them as they have opened the game back up from just being a cluster **** of explosions. |
Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles
1229
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:00:00 -
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QQ Story Rating Efficiency 3/10
Needs Moar AR. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8406
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:02:00 -
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Do most people forget the laser rifle tickles at point blank? |
Blue Buggs
L.O.T.I.S.
29
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:03:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:If you get out of its goldilocks spot it only does 1-30% dmg. Even if your in it, ARs still out do them.
This, get outta the fire. |
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Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
194
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Do most people forget the laser rifle tickles at point blank?
Yes, yes they do. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
179
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:07:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the massive range the AR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is bolts of plasma coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The AR is supposed to be strong against everything but the fact it can cut thru 800 HP in 1.5 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the aim assist just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the rounds actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the AR goes against all physics, plasma shouldn't be able to travel so fat in an atmosphere and retain so much energy for as long as it does in this game.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the only weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and the Viziam LR weren't nearly as bad as this thing is. Am I the only one sick of the flavor of the year? Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the intelligent people can begin discussing how bad I am at this game.
I fixed it for you.
You also accidentally wrote "LR" instead of "AR" in the title, its okay, we all make mistakes. Except for me of course. You should fix that too. |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
489
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:09:00 -
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DISCO DISCO DISCO! |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
142
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:10:00 -
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Tbh, I have the MOST trouble with ninja scouts and shotgun combo. LR is pretty easy to kill with a charge shot. Hit it and they panic, allowing you to inch closer. That and a lot of them just stand still. -_- |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
22
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:18:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It has begun. The nerf brigade will inevitably shift their sights on the laser once again after every other weapon including the AR is nerfed to uselessness.
Has no one told you yet? The nerf brigade are the AR try hards............Shhhhhhhhhhh don't tell any one but pass it along |
Princeps Marcellus
Expert Intervention Caldari State
222
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:26:00 -
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http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/
Your laser rifle stats, sir. +20% shields, -20% armor.
Keep in mind that when you are within 20-30 meters, the laser rifle becomes less a laser rifle and more a tickle beam. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2100
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:27:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS. Mate this is what I said before 1.4
The laser has always been a good weapon it just took a lot of the community whining about the sights to get a change, now those same people spam the crap out of it and without realising it was already a great gun. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
421
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:28:00 -
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I've been having a lot of fun with the laser rifle, but the free ar's are better than the advanced lr. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
262
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:32:00 -
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I have been pushing and pushing people to try the Laser Rifle. It's a bloody wonderfully balanced weapon. Without complimenting damage mods, it's a real hassle to use (in my opinion, though I am not saying it is impossible to use otherwise).
On the note of the LR, as much as the Amarrians suck, I have an idea for them.
Why not infinite ammo? It's a laser. It should have a generator that can be used for (x) amount of time before requiring a cooldown, similar to how it is now. When pulling the trigger for LR, we burn through... what exactly right now? Honestly, I have no idea and this is a sincere question. We Gallenteans do not know the inner workings of this slaver gun.
Added note: The LR has been radical for a while now. Kids were too busy spamming other weapons to take notice. The new sight is grand and all, but that's not what made it "good". It's been good, just like the Scrambler Pistol. The Plasma Cannon (in proper hands against infantry).
Last note: I use Breach Flaylock as a secondary to standard Forge Gun often. It pleases me to kill with it. |
Oscar Neymar
Dogz O War D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
7
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:36:00 -
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Personally I use the Duvolle AR , bit I welcome our new Laser Rifle overlords o/ |
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CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
366
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:40:00 -
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the only thing that should be fixed is the ungodly amount of damage locus nades will do too armor....
balance it out by evening the damage against shields and armor...
then it wont ohk every armor suit out their....
lr is fine they r alittle more deadly now but r still extremely weaker than everything if if not specced into...
the way it was before uprising before the horrible lr nerf i had just unlocked the std laser with no other sp invested..
i killed about as fast as the ar back then..
it was the proto/ adv lasers with the probs....those were getting majority of the kills....
the lr was basically just an amarr sniper rifle from my experience as it sucked in close range....and then tac ars got a buff in damage which became nerfed by nerfing rof and clipsize....
which made it a little less effective in cqc but still has high damage out put...
id have to fully spec into the lr to kill as fast as it did before the nerf...for the std version... |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1241
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Posted - 2013.09.18 18:46:00 -
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Omareth Nasadra wrote:LR are balanced now, i never used it but they look fine to me now, we're far from chromosome manus peak jedi battle I love you
Edit: join my corp |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
862
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Posted - 2013.09.18 19:00:00 -
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Did you try, idk, not attacking them at their optimal range? Also, no weapon has come close to the TAR in 1.0 for spam. Even the Duvplle AR hasn't come close. The logo lavs dismt even get the close to "spam". And I'll call the LR OP when it's back to chrome status and melting heavies in a second (it actually did that). So go away. Thanks. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
245
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Posted - 2013.09.18 19:53:00 -
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I feel like I'm playing Chromosome again but replace LR with AR.
I gave up and decided to go drop the LR and Shotgun to go with the Toxin AR. It's nice to have a weapon that is effective at any range! |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
302
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Posted - 2013.09.18 20:18:00 -
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HAH! Hahahaha. Ha. Obviously you weren't here at the end of Chromo or you wouldn't be complaining about this. Seriously bro, this is nothing compared to that. Also, if you get shot at by one, run at 'em, not away. |
Joey-Number1
Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven
58
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Posted - 2013.09.18 20:26:00 -
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Mass drivers aren't really that strong at all, works good only on scouts and players without entire shield, I have a proficiency 4, other skills in it and know how to use it, I still love it though. Mostly you ll kill yourself before you reach enemy armor. And you ll mostly get into close quarters with it where anyone with any rifle will run against you so you get the damage which ll eventually help him to kill yourself, its best on med ranges but you wont get that much as a logi for example as you need to be with a squad. |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
24
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Do most people forget the laser rifle tickles at point blank?
Tickle some one enough and they will pee them self to death |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3205
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:09:00 -
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Not a single **** was given that day. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me3ynkmQNZ1ryid2jo1_500.gif |
Mechanized Infantry
House of Kong
2
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Posted - 2013.09.19 01:12:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
Good point.. They cry about AR but all they want is a OP weapon. I find LR just as powerful as AR and more so in the right situations. |
LOADED'HORN
Raven Accord Black Core Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:09:00 -
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I like the sound of getting hit by the LR. Similar to the wonderful sound of bacon frying. Just dont fry yourself to long, burnt bacon is bad. |
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
863
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:18:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:No mention of ARs, your creditably is out the window
+1 |
Beck Weathers
High-Damage
80
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Posted - 2013.09.19 02:49:00 -
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I see allot more of them lately, but they blow in CQC so i think their fairly balanced. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
766
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:19:00 -
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Bum rush 'em with an AR in a Heavy suit (The REAL FotM this patch)
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KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1148
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:21:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
I'll leave this here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1279054#post1279054
No , laser rifles ARE ok. Stop QQ because they outrange your AR.
And i think i'll have to change the : ''none has QQ'd'' PART...
PROS: -Great range for a light weapon that is NOT sniper. -At longer ranges, the laser rifle is simply the best weapon you can use, (barely beating the TAC AR and SCRAM thou) -Improved damage -A.Assits helps you do damage at longer ranges -Freakn cool design and makes me feel like the eye of Sauron while on a roof. (I CAN SEE YOU....BRRRr.r... BZZZZZZ ... TOASTY!)
Cons: -Feedback damage -NEED To play Amarr assault or heavy for full efficiency (Good thing im amarr XD) -No damage increase from STD to ADV to PROTO, Making the proto variant not necessarily better... (since it costs x4 times the ELM) -Close quarters capabilities are NULL. -I cant use the overheated laser rifle to hit enemies like a Fire Red club of hate. -IT easily get out damaged by many other light weapons in the first 2-4 seconds of an engagement. -Optimal Range is too specific. -As Vell0cet pointed out, among other stuff, the fact that laser rifles ALWAYS give out your positioning |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1826
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:23:00 -
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With no due respect, stfu. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
232
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:28:00 -
[46] - Quote
Fizzer94 wrote:calvin b wrote:Due to the massive range the AR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is bolts of plasma coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The AR is supposed to be strong against everything but the fact it can cut thru 800 HP in 1.5 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the aim assist just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the rounds actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the AR goes against all physics, plasma shouldn't be able to travel so fat in an atmosphere and retain so much energy for as long as it does in this game.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the only weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and the Viziam LR weren't nearly as bad as this thing is. Am I the only one sick of the flavor of the year? Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the intelligent people can begin discussing how bad I am at this game. I fixed it for you. You also accidentally wrote "LR" instead of "AR" in the title, its okay, we all make mistakes. Except for me of course. You should fix that too. I'll post this as a sort of troll |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
159
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Posted - 2013.09.19 03:49:00 -
[47] - Quote
calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
Laser rifles are niche weapons that are only effective at one range. They excel in wide open areas with little to no cover.
The counter to laser rifle is to snipe or get up close to them. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
281
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Posted - 2013.09.19 04:19:00 -
[48] - Quote
They're used now, aka they're OP...
#lackoflogic |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1320
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Posted - 2013.09.19 04:21:00 -
[49] - Quote
I use the LR on occasion on my alt (ADV LR) and unless it has changed in the last week or so, the range on it actually sucks pretty bad. AR's seem to have better reach and more effectiveness at that distance than he LR does, and the LR is completely useless in CQC whereas the AR owns everything in CQC.
I say give it more range so that LR users can effectively be in that sweet spot between really long range snipers, and medium range of AR's. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
414
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Posted - 2013.09.19 07:52:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:I use the LR on occasion on my alt (ADV LR) and unless it has changed in the last week or so, the range on it actually sucks pretty bad. AR's seem to have better reach and more effectiveness at that distance than he LR does, and the LR is completely useless in CQC whereas the AR owns everything in CQC.
I say give it more range so that LR users can effectively be in that sweet spot between really long range snipers, and medium range of AR's.
It's really situational, but it's beastmode on Manus Peak :P
The more things change... |
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N7 JETI
Hungarian Defense Force
12
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:00:00 -
[51] - Quote
Massive range??? Are you out of your mind? ARs outranging me all day! |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
184
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:02:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
Yeah LR can get annoying, but honestly I like the raise of the LR quite a lot. Especially as only some Chromosome vets seem know how to use that weapon right and most LR operates outside their optimals. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:12:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
Please tell me your not serious, have you seen the damage profile for the weapon? Where is aeon when you need his graphs. However have a tip on me, if a rifle user catches you in open ground at 80m you will dir end of story, but if there is enough cover, get closer at 30m the laser only does 10% damage!! |
Toby Flenderson
research lab The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:13:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
I think I have 3 main issues with this post...
1. There is a huge tradeoff for the effectiveness of this weapon at long range. It's useless up close in any combat situation that any other weapon would excel at (minus the sniper). This means that the function you're complaining about is just about the only function the weapon has.
2. The idea that the common range/damge relationship is flipped for a weapon was one of the more creative ideas I've seen in a FPS. It's also cool that they give a description that explains why this would be the case for the laser and also why the heat build up creates more damage. This leads me to my last point.
3. You're probably not a physics major. I'm not saying that the description would make sense theoretically but you're oversimplifying the concept. For example, consider how light travels through a convex lens. At the focal point (further from the lens), the light is concentrated and reaches it's maximum intensity as the rays converge. Anyone who's played with a magnifying glass in the sun knows that there is a "sweet spot" when trying to fry things in the sun.
Taken from the description of the weapon... "Targets are GÇÿpainted' with a high intensity beam that deals sustained, focused damage in a concentrated area to maximize damage potential. At the core of the weapon is the thermal cavity, within which an optic spacer converges and blends three individually pumped beams into a single coherent output."
This hints at a connection to this physical phenomenon enough for me to give CCP a break with the whole "hey wait a minute guys, I found something in Dust 514 that breaks the laws of physics" QQ.
The laser rifle is a great niche weapon that is finally seeing some play time in the game. Why complain about it?
PS: If you're a physics major then I apologize but you should also know about lenses.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:56:00 -
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Mechanized Infantry wrote:calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS. Good point.. They cry about AR but all they want is a OP weapon. I find LR just as powerful as AR and more so in the right situations.
Definition of a niche weapon right there, infact the laser rifle is the best example of a niche weapon around! Or do you think the ar should beat a niche weapon like it does to so many? |
Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.19 10:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Do most people forget the laser rifle tickles at point blank? Why is that? |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.19 10:24:00 -
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Blake Kingston wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Do most people forget the laser rifle tickles at point blank? Why is that?
Lenses read tonies post 3 up |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:23:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS.
So its okay for 70% of everyone to have AR's but as soon as another weapon gets a little more popular its not okay? The LR is great for covering open areas, and with the new AA and scope its gotten easier to use. That's fine, because before it was nearly impossible to use. LR's are easy to counter if you know how to deal with them. Most people aren't very well specced into them so you can almost guarantee they'll overheat within 4 seconds. If your caught out in the open all you have to do is play a little game of jump rope with the beam. It sounds stupid but actually being a veteran LR specialist I know that doing that trips us LR users up the most. Does it suck when you get hit by the beam? Sure.... yeah I mean it does a lot of damage really quickly. But its incredibly circumstantial and almost any level of forethought can prevent you from getting blindsided by this gun. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:33:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Mechanized Infantry wrote:calvin b wrote:Due to the new scope and massive range the LR has, it has now gotten out of hand. Has anyone else got sick of this? All I see now is beams of light coming from everywhere and the fact it cuts thru armor as well as shields at the same rate is ridiculous. The LR is supposed to be strong against shields but the fact it can cut thru 400 HP of armor in 2 seconds is a bit much. As you try and out flank them the beam of light just follows you without error. So by the time you do reach the target you are either dead or near death and easy to finish off. With the Aim bot or whatever you call it being extremely proficient I have had the light actually go around corners and still connect. Now combine three or more of these in a group and good luck. The concept of the LR goes against all physics, the further light travels from its source the weaker it becomes. It is the opposite for this weapon. It should be a plasma beam and not a LR.
I am not asking for a nerf. I am just venting because this is now the fourth weapon that has been spammed to oblivion. TAC AR, Flay Lock, Fused Locus Grenade, and now the LR. Am I the only one sick of the flavors of the months. Its not the players fault so much as it is CCP for not releasing all weapons and balancing them correctly. I'm done venting, now the trolls can begin there usual get no where BS. Good point.. They cry about AR but all they want is a OP weapon. I find LR just as powerful as AR and more so in the right situations. Definition of a niche weapon right there, infact the laser rifle is the best example of a niche weapon around! Or do you think the ar should beat a niche weapon like it does to so many? Damn beat me to it this is the problem with a lot of AR users right here they don't realize that it's supposed to be a Jack o All Trades weapon rather then the master of them and when something that comes around that can do something better then the AR can the nerf bat gets going. |
Mortedeamor
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:38:00 -
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oh wow i distinctly recall this post from ages ago wow and the qqing has begun..ok the laser rifle has always been on par with the ar..and has been around since before the scrambler rifle it has been nerfed and while they should adjust the differences between the lower and upper lvls MAYBE. but it doesnt need to be nerfed to oblivion just because you cant deal with it. it does noticeably less dmg to armor clearly your suit sucks. the aim assist on lr may be a bit to strong but these things happen with every build no need to flood the already rapid waters of the dust 514 forums with your tears
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PEW JACKSON
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Posted - 2013.09.19 12:55:00 -
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@ OP
The people who melt you like butter probably have a considerable amount of SP dedicated to the LR. Prof 5 with 2 complex DMG mods and my STD LR melts just about any medium frame that comes into my optimal.
It's not OP to be honest, I'd like more range or dmg for the amount of SP I pumped into this thing. 1.4 LR is probably the fairest weapon in game, nowhere close to being OP. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:03:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:@ OP
The people who melt you like butter probably have a considerable amount of SP dedicated to the LR. Prof 5 with 2 complex DMG mods and my STD LR melts just about any medium frame that comes into my optimal.
It's not OP to be honest, I'd like more range or dmg for the amount of SP I pumped into this thing. 1.4 LR is probably the fairest weapon in game, nowhere close to being OP. Don't even need that. I have LR lvl 3, couple of damage mods and I I can melt people with about 60-80% of the charges. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:49:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Omg, OMG, OMG!!!! something killed me thats not an AR!! , how dare these heathens use anthing else but an AR made by the AR Master Race?, reporting these laser heretics, yes! HERETICS!!!, how dare they offend the Temple of The AR?
I am going to use ANYTHING but an AR just to **** you off!! K? Hmmm wheres those Burnstalks?? Three complex damage mods and see you on the battlefield.
Now wheres that AR Temple so we can go burn it down?? |
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