DUST Search - If you nerf the AR, you have to nerf the ASR

Aeon Amadi wrote:

God I get so tired of explaining this...

Look, the ASCR CPU/PG requirements are because it's intended to be used on Amarr dropsuits - YOu got it wrong, there is no WEAPON designed to be used with a specific suit.The AMARR ASSAULT is designed to easier fit the ASCR.The CPU-PG cost is still massive for the ASCR and there by it should be comparably better.

And, yes, the ASCR and AR are at the same level. Same DPS, same general feel minus a few racial perks like the ASCR not having any muzzle climb, and generally the same optimal range with the ASCR having a larger fall off range. Everyone whines and complains that the AR is OP but apparently they've never gone face-to-face with a Carthum ASCR and felt that ridiculous amount of firepower. - Im not saying the AR is OP.But you are comparing to very different weapons,to be hones the only thing they have in common is that they are full auto.
As it is is like saying the HMG is the same as an AR lol.ASCR has more RECOIL and dispersion rate,something that a LASER weapon should not have , much less id AR doesnt have it...CArthum ASCR is still inferior to the Duvolle. The Duvolle hits 58 out of 60 at mid/long range while the ASCR , between the dispersion , recoil,muzzle flash , etc... doesnt.

Even then it's insanely easy to skill into because there aren't as many relative skills associated with it like the Assault Rifle.
-Making the AR a lot better,since it has more skills to perfect an already powerful weapon.

Cross that with the fact it doesn't even over heat when mashing the trigger for almost two full magazines and you've got a weapon that doesn't have any drawbacks apart from the fact that it does slightly less damage to armor than the AR (a whole 15% of 39.7 damage is a whopping 6 damage - woooo)
The weapon does overheat if you just leave R1 mashed.
OBVIOUSLY you dont sincerely think the ASCR is better nor equal than the ASCR, because you use an AR.
EVERYBODY KNOWS the AR is far superior, thats why 90% of the people prefer an AR over the ASCR, common choice is the final number when it comes to what weapon is better.
You are just saying it because you are scared and afraid that they will nerf the AR, dont worry they wont.I think the AR is at a good place right now and it nothing compared to true firepower (my imperial Scrambler rifle)

The ASCR isn't supposed to be better than the AR, not by a long shot. The ASCR is the Amarrian emulation of the AR, it's not supposed to out-perform it much in the same way the Tactical Assault Rifle isn't supposed to outperform the Scrambler Rifle (but it does as far as range is concerned).-Being a laser weapon it SHOULD , have less recoil and more range.Considering the difference in CPU-PG the damage should (and is) be greater than the AR.

The Assault Rifle is the Gallente's main variant - this was explained by CCP.

Assault Rifle - Gallente AR
Burst rifle - Minmatar Combat Rifle
Breach Rifle - Caldari Rail Rifle
Tactical Assault Rifle - Amarrian Scrambler Rifle

They're just emulations of those race's mainstay. It's like Equate against Tylenol, it performs similarly but you're still going to get more bang for your buck if you go with the real thing.
The difference is way to big. The ASCR is by no means better than a AR,unless you consider CQ being your only way of engaging. PLUS as it is, you say : ''it performs similarly but you're still going to get more bang for your buck if you go with the real thing.'' but besides the fact i can charge a shot,i feel the Duvolle tac is still superior to my imperial scrambler rifle,BY A LONG SHOT....


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KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1063	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:47:00 - [1] - Quote Im againt the nerf on any weapon. But as a response to Aeon, Nerf the ASCR then! ITs a piece of *** anyway*s. Nobody likes it, because it costs more I$K and a LOT more SP to use than a regular AR.PLUS it has a horrible kick/recoil , horrible muzzle flash that gave my parrot epilepsy and Overheats. Totally the same weapon.... Considering SP investment and I$K price, THe ASCR SHOULD BE VERY superior to the ARs, and as it is, a MLT Scrambler pistol scares me more... Just saying.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1063	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:55:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Im againt the nerf on any weapon. But as a response to Aeon, Nerf the ASCR then! ITs a piece of *** anyways. Nobody likes it, because it costs more I$K and a LOT more SP to use than a regular AR.PLUS it has a horrible kick/recoil , horrible muzzle flash that gave my parrot epilepsy and Overheats. Totally the same weapon.... Considering SP investment and I$K price, THe ASCR SHOULD BE VERY superior to the ARs, and as it is, a MLT Scrambler pistol scares me more... Just saying. If you're having trouble shelling out 7,000 ISK I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but ISK ain't one. First off: 7000ISK every 10 deaths its 70000K and im poor,please send 1-5 million over my way in good faith as you are obviously rich. You are not following.You are putting the ASCR and the AR at the same level.They are not. As it is they might have to have their performances reversed,so they match the requirements. AH and i forgot the MASSIVE amount of CPU and PG the ASCR requires, which AR do not since they are cheap as f. :3 By all means, DO NOT NERF THE AR, just BUFF THE ASCR to be better than the AR,as it should be.........
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1063	Posted - 2013.09.14 22:43:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: God I get so tired of explaining this... Look, the ASCR CPU/PG requirements are because it's intended to be used on Amarr dropsuits - YOu got it wrong, there is no WEAPON designed to be used with a specific suit.The AMARR ASSAULT is designed to easier fit the ASCR.The CPU-PG cost is still massive for the ASCR and there by it should be comparably better. And, yes, the ASCR and AR are at the same level. Same DPS, same general feel minus a few racial perks like the ASCR not having any muzzle climb, and generally the same optimal range with the ASCR having a larger fall off range. Everyone whines and complains that the AR is OP but apparently they've never gone face-to-face with a Carthum ASCR and felt that ridiculous amount of firepower. - Im not saying the AR is OP.But you are comparing to very different weapons,to be hones the only thing they have in common is that they are full auto. As it is is like saying the HMG is the same as an AR lol.ASCR has more RECOIL and dispersion rate,something that a LASER weapon should not have , much less id AR doesnt have it...CArthum ASCR is still inferior to the Duvolle. The Duvolle hits 58 out of 60 at mid/long range while the ASCR , between the dispersion , recoil,muzzle flash , etc... doesnt. Even then it's insanely easy to skill into because there aren't as many relative skills associated with it like the Assault Rifle. -Making the AR a lot better,since it has more skills to perfect an already powerful weapon. Cross that with the fact it doesn't even over heat when mashing the trigger for almost two full magazines and you've got a weapon that doesn't have any drawbacks apart from the fact that it does slightly less damage to armor than the AR (a whole 15% of 39.7 damage is a whopping 6 damage - woooo) The weapon does overheat if you just leave R1 mashed. OBVIOUSLY you dont sincerely think the ASCR is better nor equal than the ASCR, because you use an AR. EVERYBODY KNOWS the AR is far superior, thats why 90% of the people prefer an AR over the ASCR, common choice is the final number when it comes to what weapon is better. You are just saying it because you are scared and afraid that they will nerf the AR, dont worry they wont.I think the AR is at a good place right now and it nothing compared to true firepower (my imperial Scrambler rifle) The ASCR isn't supposed to be better than the AR, not by a long shot. The ASCR is the Amarrian emulation of the AR, it's not supposed to out-perform it much in the same way the Tactical Assault Rifle isn't supposed to outperform the Scrambler Rifle (but it does as far as range is concerned).-Being a laser weapon it SHOULD , have less recoil and more range.Considering the difference in CPU-PG the damage should (and is) be greater than the AR. The Assault Rifle is the Gallente's main variant - this was explained by CCP. Assault Rifle - Gallente AR Burst rifle - Minmatar Combat Rifle Breach Rifle - Caldari Rail Rifle Tactical Assault Rifle - Amarrian Scrambler Rifle They're just emulations of those race's mainstay. It's like Equate against Tylenol, it performs similarly but you're still going to get more bang for your buck if you go with the real thing. The difference is way to big. The ASCR is by no means better than a AR,unless you consider CQ being your only way of engaging. PLUS as it is, you say : ''it performs similarly but you're still going to get more bang for your buck if you go with the real thing.'' but besides the fact i can charge a shot,i feel the Duvolle tac is still superior to my imperial scrambler rifle,BY A LONG SHOT.... Again , im against nerfs, but dont try to take down an already underused weapon down with your precious AR...