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8213
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:38:00 -
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Until I realized that the SCR is far more effective, because I forced myself to learn how to use the weapon and became good with it.
SCR is the best anti-infantry Light Weapon in the game. You just have to know what you are doing
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Aisha Ctarl
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:55:00 -
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Your attempt to parry my thread has failed.
Good day sir. |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:57:00 -
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Yep. As an SCR user, I can safely say that my beloved SCR can compete and win against an AR any day of the week. |
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:58:00 -
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8213 wrote:Until I realized that the SCR is far more effective, because I forced myself to learn how to use the weapon and became good with it.
SCR is the best anti-infantry Light Weapon in the game. You just have to know what you are doing
I agree, but you sir are trolling. |
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:58:00 -
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Nice try... But no one just gives up the AR... That'd be stupid |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:00:00 -
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8213 wrote:Until I realized that the SCR is far more effective, because I forced myself to learn how to use the weapon and became good with it.
SCR is the best anti-infantry Light Weapon in the game. You just have to know what you are doing
Agreed, its much better scout sniper weapon than the tactical SR is. Truly acts like a carbine I normally run with on other games. When jittered right you can mow down quite a few folks without overheating and keeping the pressure on the targets. Its just that running into a gal medium suit is most noticable but their fielding is few and far between. |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:07:00 -
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A side note that's partially related to the SCR - I find it rather amusing how the nerf brigade is bitching so much about the Gallente assault rifle when the Amarr assault rifle is almost the same but for a marginally larger amount of dispersion for a slight increase in range. |
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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
530
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:07:00 -
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Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:13:00 -
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I like how when I decide that I no longer enjoy a weapon, I'm not forced to carry around useless SP.
Oh wait. |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:14:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:A side note that's partially related to the SCR - I find it rather amusing how the nerf brigade is bitching so much about the Gallente assault rifle when the Amarr assault rifle is almost the same but for a marginally larger amount of dispersion for a slight increase in range.
keyword: dispersion |
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8213
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:16:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO
Nope. In the hands of noob, perhaps. Because the AR takes less of a learning curve. But in the hands of a good player, the SCR will out preform every time. No regular AR in the game can preform a one-hit-kill.
The SCR kills much faster. It's more accurate. It has the potential to kill any enemy (MLT, STD, ADV, PRO - Light, Medium, Logi, etc.) faster than the AR, especially with the charged shot. It has the suppression power of an MD, and the killing power of a AR.
A real life example is the M16 and AK-47. Anyone (including a child) can use the AK-47, it's a simple point and spray weapon. But only a trained solider can use the M16 and be BY FAR more effective, because the gun in more technology put into it. The trained solider will be better with the M16,. than the AK-47 time-after-time.
inb4 I ge accused of flip-flopping on the issue of SCRs (which I did). I've been good with the SCR since day1 of using it, now I took the time to skill into it and practice with it, and it's very very very effective against infantry |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:21:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:A side note that's partially related to the SCR - I find it rather amusing how the nerf brigade is bitching so much about the Gallente assault rifle when the Amarr assault rifle is almost the same but for a marginally larger amount of dispersion for a slight increase in range. keyword: dispersion
It's not that much worse. |
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Fist Groinpunch
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:25:00 -
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8213 wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO A real life example is the M16 and AK-47. Anyone (including a child) can use the AK-47, it's a simple point and spray weapon. But only a trained solider can use the M16 and be BY FAR more effective, because the gun in more technology put into it. The trained solider will be better with the M16,. than the AK-47 time-after-time.
Wow. That WHY thread you posted earlier was dumb, but this statement is in another class altogether.
The only relevant difference between those two guns is the AK-47 is a hardier weapon that doesn't jam nearly as often, but pays for that with lower accuracy due to its parts being machined more loosely. The M16 is the opposite. More technology, lmao!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:28:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote:8213 wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO A real life example is the M16 and AK-47. Anyone (including a child) can use the AK-47, it's a simple point and spray weapon. But only a trained solider can use the M16 and be BY FAR more effective, because the gun in more technology put into it. The trained solider will be better with the M16,. than the AK-47 time-after-time. Wow. That WHY thread you posted earlier was dumb, but this statement is in another class altogether. The only relevant difference between those two guns is the AK-47 is a hardier weapon that doesn't jam nearly as often, but pays for that with lower accuracy due to its parts being machined more loosely. The M16 is the opposite. More technology, lmao!
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Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:34:00 -
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The nice thing about DUST is that if the SCR ever becomes the FOTM, running an armor fit is a good counter. We're close to reaching the point of balance where most weapons are good at some things, but no weapon is good at all things. I think the AR is a little too good at too many ranges, and I'm hoping we see it's effective range narrowed when CCP introduces the combat rifle and precision rifle to fill in the gaps. At that point, the game will have a very healthy foundation to build on. |
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8213
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:48:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote:8213 wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO A real life example is the M16 and AK-47. Anyone (including a child) can use the AK-47, it's a simple point and spray weapon. But only a trained solider can use the M16 and be BY FAR more effective, because the gun in more technology put into it. The trained solider will be better with the M16,. than the AK-47 time-after-time. Wow. That WHY thread you posted earlier was dumb, but this statement is in another class altogether. The only relevant difference between those two guns is the AK-47 is a hardier weapon that doesn't jam nearly as often, but pays for that with lower accuracy due to its parts being machined more loosely. The M16 is the opposite. More technology, lmao!
So why doesn't the world's top military use the AK-47, especially these days? I was talking about the finer point of what makes it lethal, because it pertains to the discussion. Why do all of my posts seem to miss you, and go over your head, but nobody else's? I have a knack of breaking things down to simple points, and discussion. And, I use outside analogies a lot (like the M16 & AK-47 one you just read) to make things even more easy to understand... yet you miss even the most simplistic messages I type on here. Either your are ignorant, or just looking to b*tch specifically at me, in which I'm flattered... you're probably one of the countless people who circle and hump me in the war barge before every game, aren't you ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png)
Oh, and the M16 will jam up about 20-25x less than the AK-47 (because you were no doubt referencing knowledge from the 1970s...) |
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EXCUTIONR BRUTAL
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:57:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote:8213 wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO A real life example is the M16 and AK-47. Anyone (including a child) can use the AK-47, it's a simple point and spray weapon. But only a trained solider can use the M16 and be BY FAR more effective, because the gun in more technology put into it. The trained solider will be better with the M16,. than the AK-47 time-after-time. Wow. That WHY thread you posted earlier was dumb, but this statement is in another class altogether. The only relevant difference between those two guns is the AK-47 is a hardier weapon that doesn't jam nearly as often, but pays for that with lower accuracy due to its parts being machined more loosely. The M16 is the opposite. More technology, lmao!
I've fired both and I would describe the AK as A pick-up truck and the M16 is a sports car. |
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:58:00 -
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Scrambler rifle is great and all but Ar's still kick out more dps in practice |
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:05:00 -
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The ScR is far inferior due to overheat, lower DPS, and actual dispersion. Furthermore with the resurgence of armor the 120% shield bonus is as much a blessing as a hindrance, and even after all that the TAR still has better zoom, better damage per shot, and better range. The only thing the ScR has is the notoriously buggy charge shot. |
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:06:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yep. As an SCR user, I can safely say that my beloved SCR can compete and win against an AR any day of the week.
But you use Proto all the time Arky, try out the Standard level for a few matches. |
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8213
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:13:00 -
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EXCUTIONR BRUTAL wrote:Fist Groinpunch wrote:8213 wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO A real life example is the M16 and AK-47. Anyone (including a child) can use the AK-47, it's a simple point and spray weapon. But only a trained solider can use the M16 and be BY FAR more effective, because the gun in more technology put into it. The trained solider will be better with the M16,. than the AK-47 time-after-time. Wow. That WHY thread you posted earlier was dumb, but this statement is in another class altogether. The only relevant difference between those two guns is the AK-47 is a hardier weapon that doesn't jam nearly as often, but pays for that with lower accuracy due to its parts being machined more loosely. The M16 is the opposite. More technology, lmao! I've fired both and I would describe the AK as A pick-up truck and the M16 is a sports car.
No, you've watched a TV show that said that very famous quote... |
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8213
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:14:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yep. As an SCR user, I can safely say that my beloved SCR can compete and win against an AR any day of the week. But you use Proto all the time Arky, try out the Standard level for a few matches.
ahem... I use STD and sometimes ADV equipment all the time. I use PRO maybe 1 out of 1000 matches, no lie. |
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:33:00 -
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But the SCR takes actual skill to use, the AR doesn't. No one will use the SCR because of this. |
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:34:00 -
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8213 wrote:Until I realized that the SCR is far more effective, because I forced myself to learn how to use the weapon and became good with it.
SCR is the best anti-infantry Light Weapon in the game. You just have to know what you are doing
You know what, you have inspired me, and for that you get a +1.
I have 1.6m SP burning a hole through my virtual pocket and have been trying to figure out what weapon I want to invest in. As a calogi I need a main weapon that can cover a wide variety of gameplay elements, including CQC since I have no sidearm to use. All other weapons were out the window in this regard, except the AR. But the ScR and AScR are both similarly capable, and I am going to give it a try.
When I log in tonight, I am going full blown proto ScR and AScR, to hell with my KDR and to hell with the 140m ISK I have. I am going to force myself to get good with the ScR, and likely will die (a lot) while trying.
I am just so sick and tired of using the AR, and even if I know I will suck with the ScR, I am going to do it anyway because I might actually have some fun while doing it. |
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:37:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:A side note that's partially related to the SCR - I find it rather amusing how the nerf brigade is bitching so much about the Gallente assault rifle when the Amarr assault rifle is almost the same but for a marginally larger amount of dispersion for a slight increase in range. The AScR is harder to fit. It soaks up PG more than the AR does. On a shield suit this may not mean much, but its huge on an armor suit, which needs every bit of PG it can get. |
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Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:40:00 -
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the only downside of the scrambler rifle is this eye pain u get from the muzzle flash...another reason to stick with the ar...
if the scrambler rifles muzzle flash was toned down enough not to make the eyes hurt id be using it almost every match.. |
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:58:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yep. As an SCR user, I can safely say that my beloved SCR can compete and win against an AR any day of the week. But you use Proto all the time Arky, try out the Standard level for a few matches. Please, the Standard still rips through everyone like they're butter. |
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Posted - 2013.09.13 01:01:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:A side note that's partially related to the SCR - I find it rather amusing how the nerf brigade is bitching so much about the Gallente assault rifle when the Amarr assault rifle is almost the same but for a marginally larger amount of dispersion for a slight increase in range. The AScR is harder to fit. It soaks up PG more than the AR does. On a shield suit this may not mean much, but its huge on an armor suit, which needs every bit of PG it can get. But compared to the Semi-auto Scrambler Rifle, it takes up less PG/CPU, which is why I typically see more Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifles than Imperial Scrambler Rifles. I don't understand why, considering the Imperial deals so much more damage at the same ROF. Really the only drawback is that it overheats. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1912
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Posted - 2013.09.13 01:08:00 -
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8213 wrote:Fist Groinpunch wrote:8213 wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Well I guess the aim assist helps a lot now with easier tracking and such. The semi auto scrambler is good, I can say better than the TAR, even with its crazy heat build up. But when talking about the assault variant, the AR is better in every way.
-XOXO A real life example is the M16 and AK-47. Anyone (including a child) can use the AK-47, it's a simple point and spray weapon. But only a trained solider can use the M16 and be BY FAR more effective, because the gun in more technology put into it. The trained solider will be better with the M16,. than the AK-47 time-after-time. Wow. That WHY thread you posted earlier was dumb, but this statement is in another class altogether. The only relevant difference between those two guns is the AK-47 is a hardier weapon that doesn't jam nearly as often, but pays for that with lower accuracy due to its parts being machined more loosely. The M16 is the opposite. More technology, lmao! So why doesn't the world's top military use the AK-47, especially these days? I was talking about the finer point of what makes it lethal, because it pertains to the discussion. Why do all of my posts seem to miss you, and go over your head, but nobody else's? I have a knack of breaking things down to simple points, and discussion. And, I use outside analogies a lot (like the M16 & AK-47 one you just read) to make things even more easy to understand... yet you miss even the most simplistic messages I type on here. Either your are ignorant, or just looking to b*tch specifically at me, in which I'm flattered... you're probably one of the countless people who circle and hump me in the war barge before every game, aren't you ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) Oh, and the M16 will jam up about 20-25x less than the AK-47 (because you were no doubt referencing knowledge from the 1970s...)
Probably because the AK-47 is 66 years old and has gone through many many versions and upgrades through the decades and comparing it to the modern version of another weapon is skewing anything meaningful to support your own point with some fluff and flash which ironically weakens your credibility rather than bolstering it
Kind of funny how if you just said AK-74M this could have been avoided |
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FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:24:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:8213 wrote:Until I realized that the SCR is far more effective, because I forced myself to learn how to use the weapon and became good with it.
SCR is the best anti-infantry Light Weapon in the game. You just have to know what you are doing
You know what, you have inspired me, and for that you get a +1. I have 1.6m SP burning a hole through my virtual pocket and have been trying to figure out what weapon I want to invest in. As a calogi I need a main weapon that can cover a wide variety of gameplay elements, including CQC since I have no sidearm to use. All other weapons were out the window in this regard, except the AR. But the ScR and AScR are both similarly capable, and I am going to give it a try. When I log in tonight, I am going full blown proto ScR and AScR, to hell with my KDR and to hell with the 140m ISK I have. I am going to force myself to get good with the ScR, and likely will die (a lot) while trying. I am just so sick and tired of using the AR, and even if I know I will suck with the ScR, I am going to do it anyway because I might actually have some fun while doing it.
You'll want to have a suit that can carry a sidearm. The 80% damage to armor makes the Scrambler Rifle weak compared to the AR. You'll notice many guys surviving your shots by running over a corner. It gets annoying. Everytime I drop shields with the gun I take out my trusty Flaylock. This is for the assault variant. For the semi auto I don't think you'll notice a difference in armor damage since it has high base damage, but I wouldn't use that without the Amarr Assault suit.
-XOXO |
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