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OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative..
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:25:00 -
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Serious question. I haven't figured it out yet. |
Aleksander Black
Immortal Retribution
89
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:37:00 -
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Use your... gun, you know?
But being serious, I heard CCP was considering allowing the Nova Knife to charge while you are running, that would help it. Using the NK as it is now seems almost impossible and I deeply admire any knifers out there. Never gonna forget one match in which a Minja went 16-0 using only his knife and finished in 1st for his team.
He jumped from the sky right in the middle of the blueberries, killed me and then more 3 while everybody panicked. Then he walked away like was nothing. moved so fast that looked glitched and had so little HP that I couldn't help but wonder how the hell he didn't die a single time that match. 1.3 build, that was.
I hope it gets buffed so I can see more awesomeness like that in the field. And I hope we have a Katana for a Light weapon or a Longsword for a heavy blade one of these days. Just imagine an Minmatar Heavy running towards you using a rusty longsword!
... And then getting shot to the ground with lasers. |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative..
154
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:50:00 -
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I have been using the knives on a dedicated alt lately and they do work pretty well against enemies when they're stationary, but this is pretty much limited to snipers and clueless players. I'm finding attacking moving targets a complete lottery. 75% of the time they take no damage, even though I hear the hit sound and their shields flash.
I've found it completely impossible to kill assault rifle players who are walking backwards thanks to a mixture of shoddy hit detection, and the brand new auto aim that everyone loves (My alt only has 150 shields atm, advanced Mini scout).
Another serious issue when using a Nova scout is that turning is still incredible slow. Even at 100% sensitivity it takes 2 seconds to turn a full 360 degrees. This is made worse by the incredibly narrow field of view, making it extremely easy to lose a target if they take 1 step to the side just before I get into attack range. I honestly think the FOV should be increased whilst using Nova Knives. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
44
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:50:00 -
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OgTheEnigma wrote:Serious question. I haven't figured it out yet.
if they have the space you can't... it's ridiculous that my scout suit cant even gain ground on a backwards running assault 
That being said if you catch them in the right places it's cutting time. narrow places, and areas with limited mobility help... people back into things a lot when they try to get away. Also had a lovely time on the catwalks of the bridge.... four red dots bottle necked when i popped around the corner. two dropped from the first charge, third dot backed into the fourth, gave me the chance to quick swipe, but had to retreat from the fourth... they could still back up. The addition of a lunge of a charged strike would help... or an decrease in back-pedal speed. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
446
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:56:00 -
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The answer is you don't and because of lolMagic Aiming you now die at least 50% faster. Looking forward it does appear we have some support on getting a "Lunge" mechanic added for the NK's.
CCP Wolfman wrote:Beyond Creation wrote:In the patch notes of the 1.4 update it was said that problems with hit detection were going to be fixed. Apparently from reading other forums the hit detection is better for weapons like the assault rifle, but the nova knives still fail to do damage quite often on a moving target. With such a fragile suit going into high risk situations to stealthily eliminate targets, how are we to do so effectively when if that target moves when there's the probability of an undetected hit? I ask CCP that you fix this ASAP because it is crucial for a nova knifer to be able to get their kills. We'll take a look at this since the knives use an angle based system unlike the other weapons. I suspect the problem you are having might be related to range. With a target moving in and out of the (quite limited) knife range it could seem like hits aren't registering. We have been considering the addition of a slight 'rush' forward with melee to help prevent range issues like that.
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:57:00 -
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iv been trying to figure that out with shotguns and my answer was smg |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2331
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:58:00 -
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You dont, you just die. |
AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
81
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Posted - 2013.09.09 23:12:00 -
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Pull out your gun. |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.09.09 23:26:00 -
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I have been running nova knives since closed beta and all I have to say is any new knifers are spoiled rotten... If I was lucky I could take down a really weak assault with proto knives. But back in open you could sprint with them >_> really you did a Merle started charging the knives mid melee and could sprint walk crouch jump so long as you didn't let go of the charge button you could even attack while sprinting. Those days have passed though >_>
But I normally sprint in a zig zag if they are backing up got to them then jump diagonally behind them swing around while jumping and charge knife in midair then you should have a nice side shot. |
OgTheNinja
BACKSTABBERS INCORPORATED
0
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Posted - 2013.09.09 23:27:00 -
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AAGMUNDR wrote:Pull out your gun.
What is this heresy?! I would never touch such vile things!!! |
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DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
2255
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:35:00 -
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OgTheNinja wrote:AAGMUNDR wrote:Pull out your gun. What is this heresy?! I would never touch such vile things!!!
Quite. So uncivilized...
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4500
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:36:00 -
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Necroing much, necromancer? |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1844
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:39:00 -
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OgTheEnigma wrote:Serious question. I haven't figured it out yet.
Throw it.
This is basics son... |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9504
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:41:00 -
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You dissapear in a puff of smoke and try again. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1940
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:44:00 -
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You don't lol
But seriously to kill someone walking backwards with nova knives, you gotta jump, charge knives in air, the release them immediately when you land in front if him |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
399
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:50:00 -
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Tosay I squaded with a Minja today. He went like 12-5 and I went 9-9 when we squaded up.. I was a dragonfly scout with a TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol and Advanced Nova Knives. The scout made me shoot better with the Scrambler, and Knifing was so fun with my friend next to me told me to stop using OP knives xD
But to answer your question, get at least advanced knives, run at your opponent, jump in the air, charge, then swoop in for the kill. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1051
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Posted - 2013.10.17 04:07:00 -
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OgTheEnigma wrote:Serious question. I haven't figured it out yet.
You're supposed to attack from behind. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
489
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Posted - 2013.10.17 04:16:00 -
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Aleksander Black wrote:Use your... gun, you know?
But being serious, I heard CCP was considering allowing the Nova Knife to charge while you are running, that would help it. Using the NK as it is now seems almost impossible and I deeply admire any knifers out there. Never gonna forget one match in which a Minja went 16-0 using only his knife and finished in 1st for his team.
He jumped from the sky right in the middle of the blueberries, killed me and then more 3 while everybody panicked. Then he walked away like was nothing. moved so fast that looked glitched and had so little HP that I couldn't help but wonder how the hell he didn't die a single time that match. 1.3 build, that was.
I hope it gets buffed so I can see more awesomeness like that in the field. And I hope we have a Katana for a Light weapon or a Longsword for a heavy blade one of these days. Just imagine an Minmatar Heavy running towards you using a rusty longsword!
... And then getting shot to the ground with lasers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j699tWm0B7k
Watch the kill feed, average game |
Meeko Fent
DUST University
Ivy League
1212
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Posted - 2013.10.17 04:53:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:The answer is you don't and because of lolMagic Aiming you now die at least 50% faster. Looking forward it does appear we have some support on getting a "Lunge" mechanic added for the NK's. CCP Wolfman wrote:Beyond Creation wrote:In the patch notes of the 1.4 update it was said that problems with hit detection were going to be fixed. Apparently from reading other forums the hit detection is better for weapons like the assault rifle, but the nova knives still fail to do damage quite often on a moving target. With such a fragile suit going into high risk situations to stealthily eliminate targets, how are we to do so effectively when if that target moves when there's the probability of an undetected hit? I ask CCP that you fix this ASAP because it is crucial for a nova knifer to be able to get their kills. We'll take a look at this since the knives use an angle based system unlike the other weapons. I suspect the problem you are having might be related to range. With a target moving in and out of the (quite limited) knife range it could seem like hits aren't registering. We have been considering the addition of a slight 'rush' forward with melee to help prevent range issues like that. SOURCE
I would very much appreciate that slight rush.
Melee lacks that oumph that the shotgun or sniper had, and I feel that it would be nice for it to both be more usable and feel more powerful. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1471
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:13:00 -
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Keep swinging and hope you're one lucky merc. |
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