Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

Now that people are using cover to fight it's harder to get kills with them. It shows how people used them to counter the status quo. Because so many people were just strafe-brawling like unrealistic idiots in the open, which they could do due to bad hit detection, that meant they were exposed to bombardment from MD.

Now they have to be more strategic about coming out in the open, which means fewer targets for MD. MD now is much more of a support weapon and not a primary. It should be good for helping finishing off players behind cover, but definitely is underpowered at close range compared to before.

Other weapons got their hit detection fixed, and aim assist is actually working now (while the MD and other weapons don't get aim assist).

I remember all the 'OP MD' threads..

Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again"

Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore..

your turn to complain.

I remember all the 'OP MD' threads..

Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again"

Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore..

your turn to complain.

they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines.

Noobs and there hitscan aimbot fullauto crutch. Get some gun game and use a weapon that takes skill.


Like the MD...

Noobs and there hitscan aimbot fullauto crutch. Get some gun game and use a weapon that takes skill.


Like the MD...

Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

They just peek their head out for 2 second to fire a MD round and get GEK'd for 700 damage in two seconds. All the MD users are just waiting to respawn.

Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change.


Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement.

The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk".

I use mine from time to time but such a high TTK weapon is.........dangerous on a scout suit.

Stopped using mine. Replaced it with my Exile AR. I have no points into AR and I've never done better.

We're still around. Denying area's, making explosions and such. The witch hunt has simply moved on, burning all in it's path.

Stopped using mine. Replaced it with my Exile AR. I have no points into AR and I've never done better.

I may do that as well, know the wrath of a beta tester fools! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Aim assist isn't that bad. I played all last night with it on, and didn't do much better than I normally do. I agree hip-fire is a bit nuts, but ADS you still have to be accurate. I still beat down noobs like a bad habit. I don't see what all the fuss is.

I even talked to some kb/m guys who say the new mouse controls are "twitchier." Kb/m and ds3 both got buffs. So what's the issue?

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Now that people are using cover to fight it's harder to get kills with them. It shows how people used them to counter the status quo. Because so many people were just strafe-brawling like unrealistic idiots in the open, which they could do due to bad hit detection, that meant they were exposed to bombardment from MD.

Now they have to be more strategic about coming out in the open, which means fewer targets for MD. MD now is much more of a support weapon and not a primary. It should be good for helping finishing off players behind cover, but definitely is underpowered at close range compared to before.

I am guessing you havent noticed the fact that you dont have to bother following the enemy yourself when its on....it will follow them enough for you to kill them. I do about the same as well....but thats because I had to change up my tactics now that almost everyone can actually track my character.....no more running into rooms of 5 guys and dodging around in and out to take them all down since they cant aim.

^^stupid phone

Anyways mine must be broke because it doesn't auto-aim for me.

Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

I remember all the 'OP MD' threads..

Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again"

Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore..

Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

Now that people are using cover to fight it's harder to get kills with them. It shows how people used them to counter the status quo. Because so many people were just strafe-brawling like unrealistic idiots in the open, which they could do due to bad hit detection, that meant they were exposed to bombardment from MD.

Now they have to be more strategic about coming out in the open, which means fewer targets for MD. MD now is much more of a support weapon and not a primary. It should be good for helping finishing off players behind cover, but definitely is underpowered at close range compared to before.

Seriously what weapon takes skill in this game?

Sniper, AR, Scr, HMG, SMG, scr pistol, shotgun, blasters.....are all hit scan weapons

MDs, flaylock, plasma cannon (LOL), and forge guns are all AOE weapons

Melee is glitched so you can do 1500-2000 dmg in less than a second........

At this state based on your criteria what exactly is a pro weapon that takes skill to use? If you say knife then thats not truly pro its situational....I dont care how good you are not even regynum can charge at 2 people in an open field with a knife and expect to kill them. (with current aim assist)

Aim assist isn't that bad. I played all last night with it on, and didn't do much better than I normally do. I agree hip-fire is a bit nuts, but ADS you still have to be accurate. I still beat down noobs like a bad habit. I don't see what all the fuss is.

I even talked to some kb/m guys who say the new mouse controls are "twitchier." Kb/m and ds3 both got buffs. So what's the issue?

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Other weapons got their hit detection fixed, and aim assist is actually working now (while the MD and other weapons don't get aim assist).

Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change.


Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement.

The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk".

Still using it, when necessary. I don't know how to properly cook a nade, so MD in the Crowd....

Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

I love how people claim that the current build is some kind of weapon balance sweet spot when TTK is so ridiculously fast with ARs that even a noob with less than 1 mil SP and a militia AR is more deadly than a 20 mil SP proto bear with a Freedom MD. The HP increase for armor tankers was the only change that should have occurred with 1.4. This auto aim garbage has turned this beautifully diverse game where character development, gear, and specialization mattered into a Tom Clancy tactical FPS where ARs wreck everyone in the blink of an eye.

This game was really close to finding a nice balance for everyone. So much for that!

Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?

The Mass Driver was overpowerd in the last build. When they fixed the full auto weapons the Mass Driver fell back into it's intended purpose. It's supposed to be a behind the front lines suppression weapon that is more for support rather than killing. I think it's fine now.