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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
384
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:05:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:SUNNY THE NINJA wrote:Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something? Now that people are using cover to fight it's harder to get kills with them. It shows how people used them to counter the status quo. Because so many people were just strafe-brawling like unrealistic idiots in the open, which they could do due to bad hit detection, that meant they were exposed to bombardment from MD. Now they have to be more strategic about coming out in the open, which means fewer targets for MD. MD now is much more of a support weapon and not a primary. It should be good for helping finishing off players behind cover, but definitely is underpowered at close range compared to before. GET out of here with your smart.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
385
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:22:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Vman Q wrote:they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines. Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change. Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement. The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk". Aim assist isn't that bad. I played all last night with it on, and didn't do much better than I normally do. I agree hip-fire is a bit nuts, but ADS you still have to be accurate. I still beat down noobs like a bad habit. I don't see what all the fuss is. I even talked to some kb/m guys who say the new mouse controls are "twitchier." Kb/m and ds3 both got buffs. So what's the issue? Edited for grammer I am guessing you havent noticed the fact that you dont have to bother following the enemy yourself when its on....it will follow them enough for you to kill them. I do about the same as well....but thats because I had to change up my tactics now that almost everyone can actually track my character.....no more running into rooms of 5 guys and dodging around in and out to take them all down since they cant aim.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
385
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:27:00 -
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^^stupid phone
Anyways mine must be broke because it doesn't auto-aim for me.
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First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
997
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:32:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:^^stupid phone
Anyways mine must be broke because it doesn't auto-aim for me.
Must be. Aiming's gotten way easier for me. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
663
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Posted - 2013.09.09 21:32:00 -
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They aren't harder, its just that they don't have the ALWAYS HITTING advantage over every other gun anymore. I've had to adapt and stack damage mods to keep my baby competitive and it defenitley works. I can still use the fear factor of hitting with more than 150 damage with splash to my advantage in CQC. It's truly terrifying. Hahaha.
When the AR gets that 1.5 range nerf, I think every weapon will be pretty well balanced. Flaylock needs a buff, though. Nobody uses it anymore. |
Beck Weathers
High-Damage
38
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Posted - 2013.09.09 21:40:00 -
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I still see them used quite a bit, they are good for clearing roofs, and spaming near objectives to hit large groups of enemys. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
294
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:36:00 -
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I love the MD now. It's what it should be which is area of denial. Popping those things into a hot area to catch the unwary or push them back is what a grenade launcher is supposed to do. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
219
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:39:00 -
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SUNNY THE NINJA wrote:Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?
Why would you say this??? Now everyone's going to go back to using them... |
AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
80
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:39:00 -
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They're busy slaughtering us poor defenseless scouts.  |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
275
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:49:00 -
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CQC maps are too few with the newly added ones.MD still works seeing as players still **** bricks when they hear one. |
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SirManBoy
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
202
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Posted - 2013.09.09 23:28:00 -
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I love how people claim that the current build is some kind of weapon balance sweet spot when TTK is so ridiculously fast with ARs that even a noob with less than 1 mil SP and a militia AR is more deadly than a 20 mil SP proto bear with a Freedom MD. The HP increase for armor tankers was the only change that should have occurred with 1.4. This auto aim garbage has turned this beautifully diverse game where character development, gear, and specialization mattered into a Tom Clancy tactical FPS where ARs wreck everyone in the blink of an eye.
This game was really close to finding a nice balance for everyone. So much for that! |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5080
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:08:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:I remember all the 'OP MD' threads..
Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again"
Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore..
They have no excuse anymore since the damn game aims for them. What weapon requires more skill again? |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
343
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:11:00 -
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SUNNY THE NINJA wrote:Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?
Ratio Chasers left for the new FOTM, real md users are still here and making the most of the awsome flare effect!! We can still beat an ar in 1v1 now requires absolute prescion against ars, and shotgun wins hands down 8/10 times!! |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z
Covert Intervention
182
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:27:00 -
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SUNNY THE NINJA wrote:Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?
actually they became easier to use in 1.4 lololol, everyone relying on auto aim i mean aim assist so no one can actually aim properly to kill me before i mass driver their whole squad from my militia fit  |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z
Covert Intervention
183
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:32:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:SUNNY THE NINJA wrote:Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something? Now that people are using cover to fight it's harder to get kills with them. It shows how people used them to counter the status quo. Because so many people were just strafe-brawling like unrealistic idiots in the open, which they could do due to bad hit detection, that meant they were exposed to bombardment from MD. Now they have to be more strategic about coming out in the open, which means fewer targets for MD. MD now is much more of a support weapon and not a primary. It should be good for helping finishing off players behind cover, but definitely is underpowered at close range compared to before.
sorry for you but thats entirely wrong, the MD works best against players behind cover, i dont know why you think it wouldnt, my MD still has over 8m splash and my flux have 7.2m, also most players are running out into the open because they think LEL I HAVE SO MUCH HP only to die to everyone ever
also seeing as the aim assist only works well at medium range the MD is still the best at close range |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z
Covert Intervention
184
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:01:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:General John Ripper wrote:P14GU3 wrote:I remember all the 'OP MD' threads..
Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again"
Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore.. your turn to complain. Noobs and there hitscan aimbot fullauto crutch. Get some gun game and use a weapon that takes skill. Like the MD...  Seriously what weapon takes skill in this game? Sniper, AR, Scr, HMG, SMG, scr pistol, shotgun, blasters.....are all hit scan weapons MDs, flaylock, plasma cannon (LOL), and forge guns are all AOE weapons Melee is glitched so you can do 1500-2000 dmg in less than a second........ At this state based on your criteria what exactly is a pro weapon that takes skill to use? If you say knife then thats not truly pro its situational....I dont care how good you are not even regynum can charge at 2 people in an open field with a knife and expect to kill them. (with current aim assist)
plazmah is skillz |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z
Covert Intervention
184
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:10:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Vman Q wrote:they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines. Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change. Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement. The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk". Aim assist isn't that bad. I played all last night with it on, and didn't do much better than I normally do. I agree hip-fire is a bit nuts, but ADS you still have to be accurate. I still beat down noobs like a bad habit. I don't see what all the fuss is. I even talked to some kb/m guys who say the new mouse controls are "twitchier." Kb/m and ds3 both got buffs. So what's the issue? Edited for grammer
KB/M got a nerf, wayyyy to sensitive and controlling a tank is **** now |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
948
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:16:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Other weapons got their hit detection fixed, and aim assist is actually working now (while the MD and other weapons don't get aim assist).
This exact sentence. |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
317
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:23:00 -
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The MD has found its perfect place in the battlefield without even getting nerfed (thank hit detection and aim assist). This is the first time something similar happens in this game and I call it a miracle.
It might not take much skill to use it in CQC (much more at medium range), but it takes intelligence to use it effectively and flank or suppress multiple enemies.
The skill stays in "how" you use the Mass Driver, now. It's a support weapon for smart and evil guys. No more place for mad bombers. Use your brain along your MD or just die. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
412
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:33:00 -
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SUNNY THE NINJA wrote:Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?
the ar got buffed... |
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
950
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:37:00 -
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I played a guy today who simply owned with one. I sent him mail telling him he was a monster. He was good. He was soloing with it and dominated. It was a great match even though we lost. I think he was Team Player. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
951
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:42:00 -
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Flux Nade + Assault Mass
Is still a hell of a combo. You can get 2-4 kills in a matter of seconds if you hit them with the flux first.... |
Provectus Lembos
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:48:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Vman Q wrote:they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines. Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change. Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement. The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk".
I use the " jerk" to my advantage wen ever my adversary's gunfire is getting a bit too close for comfort. It's effect is a bit reduced but it is still there. |
J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
101
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:55:00 -
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Still using it, when necessary. I don't know how to properly cook a nade, so MD in the Crowd.... |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
397
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:06:00 -
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J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:Still using it, when necessary. I don't know how to properly cook a nade, so MD in the Crowd....
No cooking necessary..
Chuck flux into crowd
Pause 2-3 seconds
FIRE!!! |
Caesar Williams
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:53:00 -
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 I am still here. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
534
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:04:00 -
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SUNNY THE NINJA wrote:Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?
Because of aim assist now that aim assist is in the game mass drivers aren't as good so all the op mass driver users switched to duvolles. that's how these people work they drive around in lavs running people over in a cal logi suit with a flux and mass driver now that aim assist in in they switch to duvolles. they prolly ran contact grenades until they got nerfed as well. |
Yemi Shakor
ROYAL SQUAD
1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:22:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:I love how people claim that the current build is some kind of weapon balance sweet spot when TTK is so ridiculously fast with ARs that even a noob with less than 1 mil SP and a militia AR is more deadly than a 20 mil SP proto bear with a Freedom MD. The HP increase for armor tankers was the only change that should have occurred with 1.4. This auto aim garbage has turned this beautifully diverse game where character development, gear, and specialization mattered into a Tom Clancy tactical FPS where ARs wreck everyone in the blink of an eye.
This game was really close to finding a nice balance for everyone. So much for that!
yeah one with a disappearing player base..
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
EoN.
353
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:42:00 -
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I'm so glad my favorite weapon isn't FOTM anymore.
Now auto-aim AR's are the new hotness. I'd like CCP to tweak it down A LITTLE BIT but not too much. I don't want a bunch of brainless chimps going back to my MD.  |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1183
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:27:00 -
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been using my proto MDs lately and they still rock balls if you use um right |
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