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P14GU3 wrote:

semperfi1999 wrote:

Vman Q wrote:

they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines.

Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change.

Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement.

The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk".

Aim assist isn't that bad. I played all last night with it on, and didn't do much better than I normally do. I agree hip-fire is a bit nuts, but ADS you still have to be accurate. I still beat down noobs like a bad habit. I don't see what all the fuss is.

I even talked to some kb/m guys who say the new mouse controls are "twitchier." Kb/m and ds3 both got buffs. So what's the issue?

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SUNNY THE NINJA Immortal Retribution 25	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:02:00 - [1] - Quote Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something?
Omareth Nasadra QcGOLD 38	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:05:00 - [2] - Quote Takes too long to kill with it compared to full auto firehose, also lot more difficult to close distance now that fight are mostly made at range
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1482	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:06:00 - [3] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something? Now that people are using cover to fight it's harder to get kills with them. It shows how people used them to counter the status quo. Because so many people were just strafe-brawling like unrealistic idiots in the open, which they could do due to bad hit detection, that meant they were exposed to bombardment from MD. Now they have to be more strategic about coming out in the open, which means fewer targets for MD. MD now is much more of a support weapon and not a primary. It should be good for helping finishing off players behind cover, but definitely is underpowered at close range compared to before.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5846	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:06:00 - [4] - Quote Other weapons got their hit detection fixed, and aim assist is actually working now (while the MD and other weapons don't get aim assist).
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 714	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:09:00 - [5] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something? Now that people are using cover to fight it's harder to get kills with them. It shows how people used them to counter the status quo. Because so many people were just strafe-brawling like unrealistic idiots in the open, which they could do due to bad hit detection, that meant they were exposed to bombardment from MD. Now they have to be more strategic about coming out in the open, which means fewer targets for MD. MD now is much more of a support weapon and not a primary. It should be good for helping finishing off players behind cover, but definitely is underpowered at close range compared to before. + KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Other weapons got their hit detection fixed, and aim assist is actually working now (while the MD and other weapons don't get aim assist).
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1678	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:11:00 - [6] - Quote I see them being used for mid-long range area denial. Its good times.
itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 235	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:15:00 - [7] - Quote They all switched to plasma launchers. Jk. It is a fun wepon to use in academy though.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2043	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:15:00 - [8] - Quote It's very much a support weapon now as going 1v1 with an AR on level ground is a sure way to die. There may be a handful of folks who can do it, but by an large you need to hold back behind the front line if you are using the MD.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 376	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:16:00 - [9] - Quote I remember all the 'OP MD' threads.. Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again" Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore..
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 2312	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:17:00 - [10] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: I remember all the 'OP MD' threads.. Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again" Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore.. your turn to complain.

Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 942	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:20:00 - [11] - Quote Been using my MD as a side arm due to the dramatic drop in TTK. Gotta use this minmatar sidearm bonus for something. =P
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 11	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:20:00 - [12] - Quote I was using it all weekend. Its still just as deadly. Killed a guy blindly taking an objective uphill. It was quite fun.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 379	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:24:00 - [13] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I remember all the 'OP MD' threads.. Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again" Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore.. your turn to complain. Noobs and there hitscan aimbot fullauto crutch. Get some gun game and use a weapon that takes skill. Like the MD...
Thor McStrut Reckoners 177	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:24:00 - [14] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: I remember all the 'OP MD' threads.. Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again" Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore.. My first couple days in 1.4 I really struggled with the shorter TTK. Now that my play style has adjusted, I'm back to doing fairly well. I've started using the commando suit more though, with a GLU and EX0. Very tough without grenades. I find myself constantly pulling L2 trying to pre-flux my victims.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 248	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:26:00 - [15] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I remember all the 'OP MD' threads.. Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again" Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore.. your turn to complain. Sow not in the field of flavor-of-the-month, lest ye reap a harvest of sorrow. Seriously, though-- I'm not sure whether the AR is OP, but gameplay is certainly no longer so much with the run-and-gun. Used to be evasive action would save my scoutly butt. I'm having to adjust my instincts, and suffering a lower K/Dr in the meantime. A weapon that crushes people who do run-and-gun is no longer unusual.
Vman Q TOP NOCH Enterprises 14	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:28:00 - [16] - Quote they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 882	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:37:00 - [17] - Quote Vman Q wrote: they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines. Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change. Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement. The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk".
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 2317	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:38:00 - [18] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: General John Ripper wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I remember all the 'OP MD' threads.. Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again" Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore.. your turn to complain. Noobs and there hitscan aimbot fullauto crutch. Get some gun game and use a weapon that takes skill. Like the MD... +1
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 882	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:43:00 - [19] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: General John Ripper wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I remember all the 'OP MD' threads.. Pretty sure 9/10 of us massholes said "MD is UP, watch when hit detection gets fixed. Full-autos will dominate again" Guess all the 1337 AR guys can't complain about our UP "crutch" anymore.. your turn to complain. Noobs and there hitscan aimbot fullauto crutch. Get some gun game and use a weapon that takes skill. Like the MD... Seriously what weapon takes skill in this game? Sniper, AR, Scr, HMG, SMG, scr pistol, shotgun, blasters.....are all hit scan weapons MDs, flaylock, plasma cannon (LOL), and forge guns are all AOE weapons Melee is glitched so you can do 1500-2000 dmg in less than a second........ At this state based on your criteria what exactly is a pro weapon that takes skill to use? If you say knife then thats not truly pro its situational....I dont care how good you are not even regynum can charge at 2 people in an open field with a knife and expect to kill them. (with current aim assist)
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 168	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:44:00 - [20] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something? They just peek their head out for 2 second to fire a MD round and get GEK'd for 700 damage in two seconds. All the MD users are just waiting to respawn.

Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1488	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:46:00 - [21] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Wtf happened? They just disappeared, did it get harder to use in 1.4 or something? They just peek their head out for 2 second to fire a MD round and get GEK'd for 700 damage in two seconds. All the MD users are just waiting to respawn. If a 'peek' takes 2 seconds, that's a mighty long peek.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 385	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:47:00 - [22] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Vman Q wrote: they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines. Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change. Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement. The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk". Aim assist isn't that bad. I played all last night with it on, and didn't do much better than I normally do. I agree hip-fire is a bit nuts, but ADS you still have to be accurate. I still beat down noobs like a bad habit. I don't see what all the fuss is. I even talked to some kb/m guys who say the new mouse controls are "twitchier." Kb/m and ds3 both got buffs. So what's the issue? Edited for grammer
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1175	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:50:00 - [23] - Quote I use mine from time to time but such a high TTK weapon is.........dangerous on a scout suit.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 996	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:53:00 - [24] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use mine from time to time but such a high TTK weapon is.........dangerous on a scout suit. Stopped using mine. Replaced it with my Exile AR. I have no points into AR and I've never done better.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 315	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:54:00 - [25] - Quote We're still around. Denying area's, making explosions and such. The witch hunt has simply moved on, burning all in it's path.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1175	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:55:00 - [26] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use mine from time to time but such a high TTK weapon is.........dangerous on a scout suit. Stopped using mine. Replaced it with my Exile AR. I have no points into AR and I've never done better. I may do that as well, know the wrath of a beta tester fools! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 518	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:56:00 - [27] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: We're still around. Denying area's, making explosions and such. The witch hunt has simply moved on, burning all in it's path. o7
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 385	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:57:00 - [28] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use mine from time to time but such a high TTK weapon is.........dangerous on a scout suit. Stopped using mine. Replaced it with my Exile AR. I have no points into AR and I've never done better. I specced into scrambler rifles like 2-3 weeks before 1.4, and man am I glad I did. I still use my MD to show massholes on the other side how its done
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 996	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:57:00 - [29] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: First Prophet wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use mine from time to time but such a high TTK weapon is.........dangerous on a scout suit. Stopped using mine. Replaced it with my Exile AR. I have no points into AR and I've never done better. I may do that as well, know the wrath of a beta tester fools! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Saves isk too.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 882	Posted - 2013.09.09 20:04:00 - [30] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Vman Q wrote: they were never as prevailent as ppl claimed. the whole "my whole pre 1.4 match was dominated by MD's" was a buncha BS fabricated by the QQ whiners to give more weight to their whines. Actually no......there is a reason why everyone and there mother had at least a few points into MD. And honestly MDs are still unbalanced its just that all weapons that have been given aim assist are even more unbalanced right now. So 1 of two things need to happen. If aim assist never goes away and we have to now play a game where the system aims for you then MDs need a buff. If the aim assist actually gets corrected to what it should be then MDs will need to be looked at again for a slight change. Honestly aim assist should never move your crosshair....the only "assist" is a slight decrease in sensitivity when your crosshair is on a target...thus helping you maintain your target without overshooting but also never dragging your crosshair without your involvement. The hit detection is helping but honestly the bigger issue is the fact that everyone is hitting a much higher percentage of their shots. Plus i noticed something interesting....either they got rid of the jerk your character did when an explosive went off nearby.......or the aim assist is so strong that it doesnt allow your cross hair to leave the target during the explosive "jerk". Aim assist isn't that bad. I played all last night with it on, and didn't do much better than I normally do. I agree hip-fire is a bit nuts, but ADS you still have to be accurate. I still beat down noobs like a bad habit. I don't see what all the fuss is. I even talked to some kb/m guys who say the new mouse controls are "twitchier." Kb/m and ds3 both got buffs. So what's the issue? Edited for grammer I am guessing you havent noticed the fact that you dont have to bother following the enemy yourself when its on....it will follow them enough for you to kill them. I do about the same as well....but thats because I had to change up my tactics now that almost everyone can actually track my character.....no more running into rooms of 5 guys and dodging around in and out to take them all down since they cant aim.



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