i dropped below a 100mil this week ... playing with tanks can be expensive...

The secret... and be sure not to share this with ANYONE... is...

try... not... to... die...

HOW CAN YOU BE POOR..

IN MILITIA FIT 1.4?


LOOK I MADE A RHYME YAY

SEND ME 1M ISK OK?



do it b1tches. I wanna buy stuff. u love me you just are afraid to commit.


(we're supposed to beg in this thread right? idk.)

You're funny.. really funny.

My K/D is decent, as is supposed to be with a logi.
I go positive or break even in most games.

Those unfortunate games where i just happen to get protostomped i still do decent most of the time.
Last proto stomp i had (last night) i still went 14/13

My average k/d is more like 11/2 or 8/4. Somewhere along those lines.

That's been since I joined Molon Labe though.
I'm still trying to make up from my k/d from when i was in D-Uni...
I've gotten alot better since, but my ISK gain has still just at the very bare minimum improved.

'Dont use what you can't afford' ?

The secret... and be sure not to share this with ANYONE... is...

try... not... to... die...

Its the deaths thats the important bit... thats what pulls you into the negative. Its what you have to work on. Your kills/assists/revives mean nothing if you die 3 or 4 times in adv/proto fit suits.

Im not good enough to play leap frog and matrix style dodge up close and i know it... but im not stupid either, if i see the hoard coming towards me i pull back, i dont go rambo. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, talk to your squad, have your third eye on the mini map, and alway think theres a guy behind you.

Never Ever stop moving. Ever.... even if you think your safe.... ESPECIALLY if you think your safe...

Its the deaths thats the important bit... thats what pulls you into the negative. Its what you have to work on. Your kills/assists/revives mean nothing if you die 3 or 4 times in adv/proto fit suits.

Im not good enough to play leap frog and matrix style dodge up close and i know it... but im not stupid either, if i see the hoard coming towards me i pull back, i dont go rambo. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, talk to your squad, have your third eye on the mini map, and alway think theres a guy behind you.

Never Ever stop moving. Ever.... even if you think your safe.... ESPECIALLY if you think your safe...

This would be my line. If you're losing ISK, you're doing it wrong. ISK profit is victory, even if you lose.

using HAV's should allow a larger payout to the pilot.

I know and do all of these things.
I didn't get better by doing the same old thing.

But what exactly determines the endgame payout though?
I've heard several versions and variations, even the one you mentioned - amount of deaths.

But I've never found one to be more consistant than the other, the payouts still seem random to me.
Even after testing all the variations of each outcome.
One doesn't outweigh the other. The more I try to mix it up, the more random it becomes.
Destroying this, hacking that, killing him before he kills me.

The payout is still the same, And I've seen others do way worse than me in every aspect and get paid alot more.

IMHO - CCP needs to fix the economic mechanics of Dust. It just seems broken and random to me right now.
And Thoroughly explain how the payouts work.

You're funny.. really funny.

My K/D is decent, as is supposed to be with a logi.
I go positive or break even in most games.

Those unfortunate games where i just happen to get protostomped i still do decent most of the time.
Last proto stomp i had (last night) i still went 14/13

My average k/d is more like 11/2 or 8/4. Somewhere along those lines.

That's been since I joined Molon Labe though.
I'm still trying to make up from my k/d from when i was in D-Uni...
I've gotten alot better since, but my ISK gain has still just at the very bare minimum improved.

I got 462 million because I been picking my battles carefully, examples include seeing a bunch of Molon Labe or Teamplayers stacked on one side and you and a bunch of blueberries on your side means you leave because their gonna snuff you out something horrible.

Don't charge head-on into a group of cranberries and expect to ground them all.

Pay attention to the radar and your surroundings. I even listen to my surroundings for anything suspicious.

Keep an eye on an enemy squads WP count, if it's high enough for an orbital then space yourself from allies a little and plan an escape route just in case.

Don't stand in the middle of the road shooting an enemy tank expecting to make a difference, that tank will likely be more than happy to return the favor with its turret.

And many, many more ways to be smart.

This song gives me many lessons in life and is something I live by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo

haha that's just it, man.
I don't. Most of what I run is still just at standard level.
Restocking is a b***h.

In the past week I've only earned about 3 mil after restocking. and after a little less than a month and a half i've only earned about 34 mil

I honestly don't get how some people can run Proto everything every game, all game.

We all get paid the same right?
Then how do some afford to do what others can't?

I have friends that have been playing since closed beta and can still barely afford to run proto when needed (PC matches)
While there are a select few who can and will run proto literally every game all game no matter what their k/d is. Even in public matches.

Is there some secret to earning insane amounts of ISK?

not its not - you have lost.

PC makes an attempt at economic warfare but the open world to truly make this happen doesn't exist.

thats the problem with pubs and ISK payouts. it creates terrible game-play. People (not saying you) panic drop to militia/ bpos get hit even more and its a downwards spiral that impacts any sense of maximising the RPG elements for most people in the game

That depends on how you CHOOSE to play.

If your objective is profit and you aren't in a battle where your corp has any long-term investment in the result, making sure you earn money is more important than making sure you get the win. If you have a long-term goal that the battle in question can help with, then things change - but even then, your long-term goal will probably involve a way to make more ISK than you would by putting profit ahead of the victory, meaning that even when you lost ISK short-term, you're doing it to ensure a profit.

EVERYTHING in New Eden - DUST included - revolves around money. If you don't accept that, like I said, you're doing it wrong.

Ok.. Alot of good ideas but none of them touch what I'm trying to get at.


I'm not losing ISK. it's the very low gain.

Let me try to explain an example of what I'm trying to get at by saying the payout is too jumpy and random.

If I go say.. 11/2 in a game and earn 1800 WP. Most of the time with that average I only get paid 180,000 to 200,000 ISK

But someone can do way worse than me, something like 5/8 with only 550 WP and get paid 230,000 to 260,000 ISK



How does that happen... at all, to be on average/fair/blah blah blah --- It's just too damn random. And doesn't make sense to me.

we dont all get paid the same, when i was in SI the avg match payout was 260-400k as infantry and 300-700k as a tanker
when i left to help smaller corps they would rarely get more than 150k a match and NONE of them could actually tank so they werent getting the beefy payouts either

What exactly do you need ISK ... for? If you're honestly running <20k ISK suits and die 5x a match, then you'll still be profitable every. single. match. and that is sustainable forever.

Hint: Run ambushes, not dom or skirm... you (should) die less for more net ISK per hour.

Having to run cheap fits isn't exactly a great selling point. Look come play this game with all this cool gear... that you'll never get to use. That'll retain new players. What happens when higher level vehicles get introduced? People can't profit in standard tanks you think anyone would be able to afford to lose a proto tank? The only people swimming in isk are those who spent the last three months AFKing because they are so cool.

Lol use what you want.

Do you really think Dust ISK competes with EVE isk?

We are disposable heroes.

Wait until the real value shows up in the real EVE DUST integration.

With the wealth disparity, ISK will be the last thing we need to worry about. Spend it. You could get charity from a random pilot and help them out somehow. They could reward you greater than every ISK you and your best friend have ever seen and it would be chump change to them.

Hell give me some. I just bought 255 proto assault suits that I am saving to roll with whatever corp I decide to play with.