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Rei Shepard
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:24:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:So the poor KBM user doesn't have his aim advantage anymore.....  Trollolol
We had an advantage ? When ? This game has since the beginning put KBM users down like a rabid dog, limits to all kinds of aiming mechanics, at some point the removed direct mouse input and overlayed a DS3 stick, it took me 30-40 seconds to get my nano hive out at that point because it only went up and left 90% of the time.
Turn speed limits, ADS as slow as a snail walking on salt, each patch my muscle memory freaks out and if i go back to my pc shooters i cant aim for crap anymore because i got used to having 15 FPS and a locked down ADS system.
Ive gone from on my PC games 90% + accuracy down to 40% because ive been playing DUST 514 for 7 months...normally you get better when muscle memory sets in...not worse...
They should have left the system alone during chromosone and just fixed hit detection, everything was fine there...
But really man, I want what youve been smoking! |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:30:00 -
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Boxoffire wrote:I'm a KBM user and I love this update :)
That is all I have to say, lol
Its a step in the right direction, but we aint there yet for KBM. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.09.07 20:25:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:KingBabar wrote:So the poor KBM user doesn't have his aim advantage anymore..... Trollolol We had an advantage ? When ? This game has since the beginning put KBM users down like a rabid dog, limits to all kinds of aiming mechanics, at some point the removed direct mouse input and overlayed a DS3 stick, it took me 30-40 seconds to get my nano hive out at that point because it only went up and left 90% of the time. Turn speed limits, ADS as slow as a snail walking on salt, each patch my muscle memory freaks out and if i go back to my pc shooters i cant aim for crap anymore because i got used to having 15 FPS and a locked down ADS system. Ive gone from on my PC games 90% + accuracy down to 40% because ive been playing DUST 514 for 7 months...normally you get better when muscle memory sets in...not worse... They should have left the system alone during chromosone and just fixed hit detection, everything was fine there... But really man, I want what youve been smoking! 0 Well l'm no expert but its fairly obvious that the guys with the best AIM all are KBM users. Take Tosh, Jack Boost, Trollsroyce, Deranged Disaster and not least Edrot as examples l know very well from SI, going up against any of these earlier was next to impossible in a straight out 1vs1. And l mean in a ranged gunfight. Now however.... It might be that the KBM got some kind of nerf at some point which l don't know about, in which case l take back what l said. All l know is that with the current system l would actually have a chance 1vs1 against these guys back in the days. A friend of mine, Gauder, CEO of the DBDs switched over from pad to KBM after using the pad for 10 years, he claimed that KBM was superior in every way except for the placement of the nade button. But l haven't tried myself. And yes, l believe you would like to get aa puff of what l'm smoking...
So today, after never having touched my DS3, well ...only to start the game and twiddle with it and by never i mean No FPS games as a i play other games on my PS3 that well cant go without a DS3 and i think everyone knows i am very fond towards my keyboard and mouse, if i have to play this game with a DS3 ...pls kill me..
So first game i hit 34/4 ...not too shabby with a Semi Scrambler Rifle, next game we crank out 43/3 and i am rolling one 30+ game after the other at some point i lost count...
Ussually me and Madlax are very close in points when we team up, but tonight he called me a Monster....i do pretty good with KBM on good games in the low 20's and some other random guy called me Scary, noone calls me scary in Dust 514 and tears in the mail are few and far appart, as for when i am playing a PC shooter i get about 4 - 6 tearmails or pm's about how i must be hacking an hour, but when you pretty much never miss with a sniper rifle in cqc (APB R) you get allot of hate.
I got 20 years of FPS under my belt with KBM, but this game is so limited to KBM support that it feels like i am playing with my feet, both hands strapped to my back, while my nuts are tied around my neck, sorry i cant explain how this feels.
I was still doing fairly good againt DS3 users so i didnt think the Aim Assist was that bad or how bad the DS3 is supposed to be vs our KBM, but after having tasted how a DS3 feels....so after i saw the movie of the magnetism i wanted to give it a shot.
Well damn...i want my Mouse to perform just like it ....
But it does feel way off that by just picking it up my kills go up by 15 a round...on average. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:17:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:@ Rei.
I really don't know, that much is obvious.
Did something happen with the 1.4 patch to KBM or is it just that ds3 "got buffed"?
Do you agree that earlier, during the beta atleast, KBM was superior in terms of aiming with a somewhat reduced fluidity to general movement?
Atleast we're now rid of the "stay in the same spot while strafing superfast from siden to side" exploit that many KBM players have been abusing since KBM was introduced to Dust.
@KingBabar,
I never picked up the controller before today so i can't really say how far the DS3 got buffed and i started playing in chromosone so i cant say how it was during closed beta.
But what i can say is that i am a person that is terribly affected by framerates, if i play with low framerates my performance drops like a brick , Madlax wich i team up with is not affected by low frame rates and it has to do with your brain filling in the gaps, my brain doesnt fill in gaps very well, now when i play on my PC i make sure i have a solid 100 FPS, here on Dust we have variable FPS but nothing above 30, in chromo i doubt we had much of anything above 15 FPS.
Now how mouse works is that you drag or jerk the screen around to get to the point where you want to stop and aim, any interuption or stutter and you swing passed your intented target or stop short. With a DS3 you push your aim towards the target and the speed is capped probably at the point before FPS issues arise and a solid FPS isnt such a big deal.
In chromosone i think the hit detection was so broken that it didnt matter what you were using as your control type, but from 1.2 to 1.3 KBM got allot more worse then it was at 1.1 and i guess that most DS3 users don't strafe allot while KBM users are always strafing around, so during Chromosone we had the advantage of our hitboxes being more out of place then the DS3 users, but KBM aiming has never been on par with how it works on a PC.
Ive never had any issues with the guys you discribe that use KBM, ive had far more issues with good DS3 players, like you, 13ear, Askull Legend to name a few, though 13ear sends me Tearmails from time to time and ussually quits after 2 deaths.
While if i met Deranged Disaster or other KBM people on the field it was always a 50/50 chance of either of us dying, but our fights would either involve unloading 2-3 clips into each other or dropping dead before you could say Da-Fuq...
During 1.2 KBM got so f*cked over that i had to retire, tried again in 1.3 and still had to stay retired now in 1.4 i feel its back to chromosone level but with better FPS and hit detection overall.
All i know is that i have a whole lot less then my 90% accuracy i normally have and that is against targets that strafe faster then when we could strafe in 1.3, i dont have allot of movies of me playing but i made one on APB R because a few guys in my clan wanted to see me actually never miss a round every fight and were thinking i was using an Aimbot, like every 4-6 people an hour in that game. So i made one, click here and watch it, i dont make movies to brag and i cant record on PS3 but thats how i normally play and for the life of me i can't get near 40% of that here in Dust when i use KBM and if you dont believe thats actually me, i can log on my character there.
But if i went back and played a match today, like ive done a couple of times now i can only say that my near perfect aim i had is completely ruined because of playing Dust.
We can debate this back and fourth, 24/7 but i should not be instantly better when i use a DS3 for the first time over KBM.
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:13:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:@ Rei.
I must admit l really enjoyed watching that vid... the music for starters, the outfits and not least the bunny hop turn in air quickscope shooting, and thats without a scope.....
I'm in a hurry so l'll simply leave you with this, enjoy....
Damn, no copy paste on this phone... if you can be bothered, go to youtbue and punch in:
Kingbabar dust master chef
Cheers!
@KingBabar
Thanks, i wish i could port that gungame over to my dust merc :), maybe in 2.0...
Yeah went and watched it, i rofled quite a few times those kills are quite hilarious and then i remembered the times you pulled a grenade on me.... :)
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