DUST Search - I am a bitter jaded ass. And 1.4 is the best DUST has ever been.

Disturbingly Bored wrote:

Let's get the easy trolling out of the way, shall we?

xxForum Warrior69 wrote:

"STFU fanboi"
"Yeah it's the best it's been, but it's always been crap"
"omg but tankzors"
"omg but derpships"
"omg but scouts"
"omg but matchmaking"
"omg but racial heavies"

Despite all that.

I honestly feel that all of the little things that went into this patch have finally pushed DUST over some invisible boundary into "really fun shooter territory." I'll try to break it down:

1) The new Gallente sockets/maps are a whole new class of fun.
Playing on these things has been the first time that I've felt DUST has delivered on the frantic, back-and-forth action CCP shows in all the trailers and promo videos for the game. Every sniper's nest is defendable, but has multiple access points. Vehicles can penetrate the complexes and really wreak havok, but infantry has plenty of cover and passages to duck out of the line of fire. The enterances are defensible, but there are too many for a 16 man team to cover effectively.

It really, honestly, is the first time CCP has pulled off a true AAA shooter map, and I think it deserves all the love threads the maps have gotten for it and more. (This one included.) The caveat of this is that CCP set a high bar for themselves now, and they're going to have to deliver on more maps/sockets like this to keep it going.

2) Blue dots are useful. Red dots are lethal.
Complain all you want about aimbot. It isn't nearly as strong as people make it out to be. But that fact that it exists and is noticeably useful means that games aren't dominated by 2-3 vet players and 15-16 useless lumps of cannon fodder anymore.

If bullets are coming your way now, you damn well pay attention. And sticking with your blue dots is good for more than using them as damage sponges. That makes the game more fun, at least in pubs. (sorry, but lol PC)

3) Radar changes made the game interesting.
For the last few days, I've been able to play a role I haven't been able to do since Chromosome: Ninja Fatty. Even a fat heavy like me can sneak up on people now, which means flanking is a valid tactic again. I couldn't believe it until I started playing this patch, but the radar really did give you too much information previously.

Now the battle lines feel more fluid, and the action ranges over more parts of the map than the same usual defensible positions. Also, someone on your team having an Active Scanner is a huge asset right now, WP reward or not.

4) Things are shiny.
Sure it's superficial. But one of the consistent criticisms DUST has received have been about the graphics. And the textures and new designs look spiffy now. I happen to be really impressed with the new matchmaking starmap as well. It's 100% cosmetic, but it helps with the immersion of feeling like DUST is part of the EVE universe, even though in the back of my head I know is and likely will stay a lobby shooter.

There were a lot of nice little touches this time around. Good stuff, CCP.

5) CCP is actually fixing stuff.
I noticed this after the 1.2 release, and they're at it again. Even though day 1 after a patch is buggy as a warm turd in a fly farm, CCP fixes the slop incredibly fast by console standards. Contrast them against, say, Bethesda and PS3 Skyrim fixes/updates, and they look like saints. This is the one thing that I will consistently and uncynically give them credit for.

Now, be good little forum goers and start ripping this apart point by point. I, for one, and going to put my grizzled vet hat back on and continue making snide barbs about how racial Heavy and Scout suits aren't in game yet. I just had to get these positive feelings off my chest, first.

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Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 575	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:06:00 - [1] - Quote Let's get the easy trolling out of the way, shall we? xxForum Warrior69 wrote: "STFU fanboi" "Yeah it's the best it's been, but it's always been crap" "omg but tankzors" "omg but derpships" "omg but scouts" "omg but matchmaking" "omg but racial heavies" Despite all that. I honestly feel that all of the little things that went into this patch have finally pushed DUST over some invisible boundary into "really fun shooter territory." I'll try to break it down: 1) The new Gallente sockets/maps are a whole new class of fun. Playing on these things has been the first time that I've felt DUST has delivered on the frantic, back-and-forth action CCP shows in all the trailers and promo videos for the game. Every sniper's nest is defendable, but has multiple access points. Vehicles can penetrate the complexes and really wreak havok, but infantry has plenty of cover and passages to duck out of the line of fire. The enterances are defensible, but there are too many for a 16 man team to cover effectively. It really, honestly, is the first time CCP has pulled off a true AAA shooter map, and I think it deserves all the love threads the maps have gotten for it and more. (This one included.) The caveat of this is that CCP set a high bar for themselves now, and they're going to have to deliver on more maps/sockets like this to keep it going. 2) Blue dots are useful. Red dots are lethal. Complain all you want about aimbot. It isn't nearly as strong as people make it out to be. But that fact that it exists and is noticeably useful means that games aren't dominated by 2-3 vet players and 15-16 useless lumps of cannon fodder anymore. If bullets are coming your way now, you damn well pay attention. And sticking with your blue dots is good for more than using them as damage sponges. That makes the game more fun, at least in pubs. (sorry, but lol PC) 3) Radar changes made the game interesting. For the last few days, I've been able to play a role I haven't been able to do since Chromosome: Ninja Fatty. Even a fat heavy like me can sneak up on people now, which means flanking is a valid tactic again. I couldn't believe it until I started playing this patch, but the radar really did give you too much information previously. Now the battle lines feel more fluid, and the action ranges over more parts of the map than the same usual defensible positions. Also, someone on your team having an Active Scanner is a huge asset right now, WP reward or not. 4) Things are shiny. Sure it's superficial. But one of the consistent criticisms DUST has received have been about the graphics. And the textures and new designs look spiffy now. I happen to be really impressed with the new matchmaking starmap as well. It's 100% cosmetic, but it helps with the immersion of feeling like DUST is part of the EVE universe, even though in the back of my head I know is and likely will stay a lobby shooter. There were a lot of nice little touches this time around. Good stuff, CCP. 5) CCP is actually fixing stuff. I noticed this after the 1.2 release, and they're at it again. Even though day 1 after a patch is buggy as a warm turd in a fly farm, CCP fixes the slop incredibly fast by console standards. Contrast them against, say, Bethesda and PS3 Skyrim fixes/updates, and they look like saints. This is the one thing that I will consistently and uncynically give them credit for. Now, be good little forum goers and start ripping this apart point by point. I, for one, and going to put my grizzled vet hat back on and continue making snide barbs about how racial Heavy and Scout suits aren't in game yet. I just had to get these positive feelings off my chest, first.
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 222	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:12:00 - [2] - Quote Well said. I'd like the gallente heavy along with its racial heavy weapon and side arm and also a fixed dropship camera but once I learn the ins and outs of the patch I have a good feeling about it.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2177	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:17:00 - [3] - Quote I'm a bitter jaded ass as well, but I have to disagree with you. With hip-fire being tighter, everyone gets in close to spray and pray in your face(excluding the praying part, because you know 100% that all your bullets will hit) so now this game plays more like CoD than anything else, and if I wanted to play CoD, I would go play ****ing CoD, not Dust. Do you see my problem?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 722	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:18:00 - [4] - Quote I agree....omg but matchmaking
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 223	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:19:00 - [5] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I'm a bitter jaded ass as well, but I have to disagree with you. With hip-fire being tighter, everyone gets in close to spray and pray in your face(excluding the praying part, because you know 100% that all your bullets will hit) so now this game plays more like CoD than anything else, and if I wanted to play CoD, I would go play ****ing CoD, not Dust. Do you see my problem? take advantage of that knowledge and use it against them then. Use a glu. have a teammate set up to flank them. Give them a cooked grenade everybody loves nade cupcakes.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3090	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:21:00 - [6] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Do you see my problem? Yea. You're not hanging back with a LR. Join the LR master race.

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 706	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:22:00 - [7] - Quote =)

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 793	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:24:00 - [8] - Quote Another thread that makes me want to play now. Damn you six paragraph essays!
Blaze Ashra O.U.T.E.R. S.A.N.C.T.U.M. 17	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:27:00 - [9] - Quote Well said and I agree.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 347	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:39:00 - [10] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: =) Stop smiling on the forums, and get back to work. You have **** to fix.

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 591	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:46:00 - [11] - Quote Adelia Lafayette wrote: take advantage of that knowledge and use it against them then. Use a glu. have a teammate set up to flank them. Give them a cooked grenade everybody loves nade cupcakes. This right here. I'll agree that once combat starts, it ends pretty predictably. But your tools for starting an engagement to your advantage are much greater now. Flanking is soooooooooooo much fun again. Once you get used to it, the game is less run-and-gun now, and more think-then-pwn.
Chris F2112 High-Damage 402	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:47:00 - [12] - Quote I agree completely. The game today is much better than it was just a couple of days ago. The fact that everyone now has a decent chance to deal damage with the new aim assist really helps make the matches more competitive even when facing worse players. While many vets don't like this (now they are losing money running proto in pubs), it is much better for the game when everyone has a chance to get kills. Once they fix the matchmaking completely I'll be completely on board with this patch. And yes, the maps are outstanding.
Miokai Zahou Film Actors Guilds 29	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:48:00 - [13] - Quote i like this patch besides the matchmaking, it's really nice! I don't care what people say about the aiming at all really! My proto MD still collects a huge body count for the reaper to sort out still. Also has anyone else noticed the the Advance Assault suit colours (while in game) will be black mostly black with an outline of white on certain spots?

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 712	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:55:00 - [14] - Quote Zekain K wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: =) Stop smiling on the forums, and get back to work. You have **** to fix. My stuff is fixed. Please bear with us until they are patched in. Thanks for playing. =)

Chris F2112 High-Damage 403	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:58:00 - [15] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Zekain K wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: =) Stop smiling on the forums, and get back to work. You have **** to fix. My stuff is fixed. Please bear with us until they are patched in. Thanks for playing. =) Then you should be doing something else for us. Don't think your work is done just cause of one good patch. The FPS crowd is definitely a what-have-you-done-lately sort of crowd.

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 717	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:02:00 - [16] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Zekain K wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: =) Stop smiling on the forums, and get back to work. You have **** to fix. My stuff is fixed. Please bear with us until they are patched in. Thanks for playing. =) Then you should be doing something else for us. Don't think your work is done just cause of one good patch. The FPS crowd is definitely a what-have-you-done-lately sort of crowd. Aside from entertaining our community with answers to questions, responding to feedback and bug reports, I am working as well within maps. Have no fear. Sockets are being made.

Chris F2112 High-Damage 404	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:06:00 - [17] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Aside from entertaining our community with answers to questions, responding to feedback and bug reports, I am working as well within maps. Have no fear. Sockets are being made. If they are all as good as the new ones, I'm really looking forward to it.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 801	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:11:00 - [18] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Chris F2112 wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Zekain K wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: =) Stop smiling on the forums, and get back to work. You have **** to fix. My stuff is fixed. Please bear with us until they are patched in. Thanks for playing. =) Then you should be doing something else for us. Don't think your work is done just cause of one good patch. The FPS crowd is definitely a what-have-you-done-lately sort of crowd. Aside from entertaining our community with answers to questions, responding to feedback and bug reports, I am working as well within maps. Have no fear. Sockets are being made. Aw yea! Nice!
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 21	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:12:00 - [19] - Quote 1.4 looked amazing on paper. Their were some bugs on day one but nothing to get all butt mad over as it is obvious stuff that would get fixed, but all the fixes they brought with 1.4 did make me happy. Dust is heading in the right direction imo.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 351	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:14:00 - [20] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: 1.4 looked amazing on paper. Their were some bugs on day one but nothing to get all butt mad over as it is obvious stuff that would get fixed, but all the fixes they brought with 1.4 did make me happy. Dust is heading in the right direction imo. Yup, heading straight into the ground.

Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 310	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:15:00 - [21] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Let's get the easy trolling out of the way, shall we? xxForum Warrior69 wrote: "STFU fanboi" "Yeah it's the best it's been, but it's always been crap" "omg but tankzors" "omg but derpships" "omg but scouts" "omg but matchmaking" "omg but racial heavies" Despite all that. I honestly feel that all of the little things that went into this patch have finally pushed DUST over some invisible boundary into "really fun shooter territory." I'll try to break it down: 1) The new Gallente sockets/maps are a whole new class of fun. Playing on these things has been the first time that I've felt DUST has delivered on the frantic, back-and-forth action CCP shows in all the trailers and promo videos for the game. Every sniper's nest is defendable, but has multiple access points. Vehicles can penetrate the complexes and really wreak havok, but infantry has plenty of cover and passages to duck out of the line of fire. The enterances are defensible, but there are too many for a 16 man team to cover effectively. It really, honestly, is the first time CCP has pulled off a true AAA shooter map, and I think it deserves all the love threads the maps have gotten for it and more. (This one included.) The caveat of this is that CCP set a high bar for themselves now, and they're going to have to deliver on more maps/sockets like this to keep it going. 2) Blue dots are useful. Red dots are lethal. Complain all you want about aimbot. It isn't nearly as strong as people make it out to be. But that fact that it exists and is noticeably useful means that games aren't dominated by 2-3 vet players and 15-16 useless lumps of cannon fodder anymore. If bullets are coming your way now, you damn well pay attention. And sticking with your blue dots is good for more than using them as damage sponges. That makes the game more fun, at least in pubs. (sorry, but lol PC) 3) Radar changes made the game interesting. For the last few days, I've been able to play a role I haven't been able to do since Chromosome: Ninja Fatty. Even a fat heavy like me can sneak up on people now, which means flanking is a valid tactic again. I couldn't believe it until I started playing this patch, but the radar really did give you too much information previously. Now the battle lines feel more fluid, and the action ranges over more parts of the map than the same usual defensible positions. Also, someone on your team having an Active Scanner is a huge asset right now, WP reward or not. 4) Things are shiny. Sure it's superficial. But one of the consistent criticisms DUST has received have been about the graphics. And the textures and new designs look spiffy now. I happen to be really impressed with the new matchmaking starmap as well. It's 100% cosmetic, but it helps with the immersion of feeling like DUST is part of the EVE universe, even though in the back of my head I know is and likely will stay a lobby shooter. There were a lot of nice little touches this time around. Good stuff, CCP. 5) CCP is actually fixing stuff. I noticed this after the 1.2 release, and they're at it again. Even though day 1 after a patch is buggy as a warm turd in a fly farm, CCP fixes the slop incredibly fast by console standards. Contrast them against, say, Bethesda and PS3 Skyrim fixes/updates, and they look like saints. This is the one thing that I will consistently and uncynically give them credit for. Now, be good little forum goers and start ripping this apart point by point. I, for one, and going to put my grizzled vet hat back on and continue making snide barbs about how racial Heavy and Scout suits aren't in game yet. I just had to get these positive feelings off my chest, first. THIS^^^^^
The Robot Devil Echo Galactic Industries 905	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:15:00 - [22] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Do you see my problem? Yea. You're not hanging back with a LR. Join the LR master race. I think you may be my evil twin. Sometimes your posts are almost verbatim to what I am thinking.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 803	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:19:00 - [23] - Quote I want to know what that structure is (it appears to be a gate though that has been denounced)...I need to do a screenshot of it. It's looks real cool. I got killed just staring at that thing.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 799	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:29:00 - [24] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: 1.4 looked amazing on paper. Their were some bugs on day one but nothing to get all butt mad over as it is obvious stuff that would get fixed, but all the fixes they brought with 1.4 did make me happy. Dust is heading in the right direction imo. Yep. Don't you know anything about any game? NEVER play on patch day. No matter how much QA testing, there will still be some bugs, and those are usually fixed in 2-3 Days.
Chris F2112 High-Damage 416	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:41:00 - [25] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: 1.4 looked amazing on paper. Their were some bugs on day one but nothing to get all butt mad over as it is obvious stuff that would get fixed, but all the fixes they brought with 1.4 did make me happy. Dust is heading in the right direction imo. Yep. Don't you know anything about any game? NEVER play on patch day. No matter how much QA testing, there will still be some bugs, and those are usually fixed in 2-3 Days. I'm probably going to take this advice next time. Dust was unplayable yesterday, and just one day later I'm liking it more than ever.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 800	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:59:00 - [26] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: 1.4 looked amazing on paper. Their were some bugs on day one but nothing to get all butt mad over as it is obvious stuff that would get fixed, but all the fixes they brought with 1.4 did make me happy. Dust is heading in the right direction imo. Yep. Don't you know anything about any game? NEVER play on patch day. No matter how much QA testing, there will still be some bugs, and those are usually fixed in 2-3 Days. I'm probably going to take this advice next time. Dust was unplayable yesterday, and just one day later I'm liking it more than ever. Yep. Us beta pros know better then anyone.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1639	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:04:00 - [27] - Quote Yep. CCP deserves some love for 1.4 - they worked hard and it shows. Some minor kinks aside this is the best patch to date and has probably renewed the faith of many players. Flux all the naysayers. I can't wait for ps2 and GTA v so you all p!ss off.
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 328	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:00:00 - [28] - Quote I think CCP pulled off an awesome patch (despite the terrible matchmaking, which was fixed relatively fast, so I can say this point is negligible), and my only complaint is the new maps tend to be too big for 16v16, but they are still fun and it's something new to the table until vehicles get into play in 1.5, and then by that time, we might be able to see some added utility to Dropships on large maps (my logi vehicle alt is happy). That said, I think 1.4 is the concrete paving on the ground to establish some foundation in order to build upon.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 935	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:47:00 - [29] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Do you see my problem? Yea. You're not hanging back with a LR. Join the LR master race. I think you may be my evil twin. Sometimes your posts are almost verbatim to what I am thinking. I think you might be his evil twin. Since y'know. You're the devil.
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 74	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:10:00 - [30] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: 1.4 looked amazing on paper. Their were some bugs on day one but nothing to get all butt mad over as it is obvious stuff that would get fixed, but all the fixes they brought with 1.4 did make me happy. Dust is heading in the right direction imo. Yep. Don't you know anything about any game? NEVER play on patch day. No matter how much QA testing, there will still be some bugs, and those are usually fixed in 2-3 Days. Log on. Check. Collect free SP. Check. Say hi. Check. Log off. Check. Rinse and repeat for all characters. Waits for hotfixes.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1613	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:11:00 - [31] - Quote Its lovely isn't it?!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 624	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:18:00 - [32] - Quote One last thing I'm going to gush about, because it just occurred to me, and then back to being a jaded ass full time. Fixed turret placement on the new maps. My god, they're actually useful. I don't think I've seen a fixed turret without a stupid rock, wall, or outcropping obstructing 60% of its view since before Chromosome. That said, the fixed turrets are all exposed and easy to destroy, as well. Good balance there. Now, to balance that with a map complaint about something that cuts me to my fatty core: There. Are. Railings. EVERYWHERE. And I'm too fat to jump over them like the Assaults and Scouts. They mostly serve to channel foot traffic and bar vehicles, which is fine, but holy crap are there a lot of them...
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1084	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:21:00 - [33] - Quote I guess this means that you have to change your name from "Disturbingly Bored" to "Positively Entertained"... haha!.. that sucks for you.
Protected Void STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 80	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:37:00 - [34] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: One last thing I'm going to gush about, because it just occurred to me, and then back to being a jaded ass full time. Fixed turret placement on the new maps. My god, they're actually useful. I don't think I've seen a fixed turret without a stupid rock, wall, or outcropping obstructing 60% of its view since before Chromosome. That said, the fixed turrets are all exposed and easy to destroy, as well. Good balance there. Now, to balance that with a map complaint about something that cuts me to my fatty core: There. Are. Railings. EVERYWHERE. And I'm too fat to jump over them like the Assaults and Scouts. They mostly serve to channel foot traffic and bar vehicles, which is fine, but holy crap are there a lot of them... Also, the turrets seem to be way more aggressive. Which I like. Now there might actually be some merit to capturing them, instead of destroying them for easy points.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 887	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:42:00 - [35] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Chris F2112 wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Zekain K wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: =) Stop smiling on the forums, and get back to work. You have **** to fix. My stuff is fixed. Please bear with us until they are patched in. Thanks for playing. =) Then you should be doing something else for us. Don't think your work is done just cause of one good patch. The FPS crowd is definitely a what-have-you-done-lately sort of crowd. Aside from entertaining our community with answers to questions, responding to feedback and bug reports, I am working as well within maps. Have no fear. Sockets are being made. thank you and hooray! Also, where's that sammich I ordered?
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3466	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:42:00 - [36] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: 1.4 looked amazing on paper. Their were some bugs on day one but nothing to get all butt mad over as it is obvious stuff that would get fixed, but all the fixes they brought with 1.4 did make me happy. Dust is heading in the right direction imo. Yup, heading straight into the ground. You just enjoy shitting on things, don't you?
Aran Abbas Goonfeet Top Men. 246	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:53:00 - [37] - Quote I played my first and only game yesterday. I got ninja knifed in the back with a whole bunch of blues ahead of me. Hmm, I thought, let me spawn in roughly the same place and pretend to be dumb to draw this guy out. He must have been quite surprised when he found his prey more aware the second time round. I turned and gunned him down. He was running a proto suit and I didn't see a ninja knifer again the whole game.


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