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Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 825	Posted - 2013.09.04 14:57:00 - [1] - Quote I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3582	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:07:00 - [2] - Quote Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you. Add improved hit detection, and people die real good.
Scalesdini The Surrogates Of War 148	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:07:00 - [3] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. This is what happens when you... Fix lag issues Fix hit detection issues Add ridiculously overpowered aim "assist" All in the same patch. Pretty obvious CCP didn't think about that one enough.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 242	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:34:00 - [4] - Quote AR got "more" powerful in 1.4 due to changes in hit detection and aim assist. More of its shots are connecting now, and that makes it hurt more...a lot more. Don't forget that AR is supposed to be really high damage at close-to-medium ranges, with Combat, SCR, and Rail rifles rounding out the rifle line at higher ranges. Problem is now, though, that Combat and Rail rifles don't exist yet, so AR is left to carry the banner of "the" rifle (sorry SCR! That's the way it is! Even Amarr militia starter suits have them! I mean seriously, wtf, why doesn't Amarr have its racial weapon!?). Once all the rifles are introduced, we'll see some nerfs to ARs (which, I'm sure, will mean tremendous QQ and "Dust is dead" forum posts) to make them really close range killers, while Combat and Rail rifles get advantages at higher ranges. I mean, come on guys, there's a reason shield suits make poor brawlers. Compare the power/tank/engagement range of the races to get an idea of how they all fit together: Gallente: best brawlers, highest armor, most damage close Amarr: good brawlers, armor/shield mix, high single damage rounds at mid ranges Minmatar: bad brawlers but great kiting/speed, mostly shield + speed based, (since this is a combat rifle, I have to guess: strong burst damage so as to get a shot in before running to cover) Caldari: good skirmisher, highest/best optimized shield tank, (good damage at longest ranges)
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 837	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:36:00 - [5] - Quote if every shot lands AR's and hmg's have some of the highest dps in the game, not surprising that when you have an aim bot doing alot of the work for you, you will hit the target alot more, thus making it seem more powerful.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 454	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:46:00 - [6] - Quote Hit detection issues that were fixed mean more bullets landing. Giving borderline-aimbot to every scrub means everyone has almost perfect aim Put those two together and you won't be surviving for long without at least ~1000 EHP.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 160	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:52:00 - [7] - Quote Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1994	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:53:00 - [8] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Hit detection issues that were fixed mean more bullets landing. Giving borderline-aimbot to every scrub means everyone has almost perfect aim Put those two together and you won't be surviving for long without at least ~1000 EHP. Its just who sees who first. If I see you first you will die, and vice versa. This was the reason I left COD in the first place :( Haven't played yet... kind of worried about it though... curious how the rest of the tournament is gonna be..
Seed Dren SyNergy Gaming EoN. 47	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:56:00 - [9] - Quote There is 1 more thing your not taking into account .... but a lady never kiss and tells..
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 559	Posted - 2013.09.04 15:59:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you. Add improved hit detection, and people die real good. Maybe that's the issue. IMO, aim assist should gear toward center mass/body shots. Headshots should require skill.

Abby Invo DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:08:00 - [11] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you. Add improved hit detection, and people die real good. It really doesn't, please stop spreading misinformation.
Scalesdini The Surrogates Of War 151	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:10:00 - [12] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can Everyone in favor of aim assist is a scrub who doesn't understand how to play well with a controller because they can't aim at all. I only use DS3. I do not use explosive weapons. I do not use vehicles. I will murder the face off of most any mouser any day of the week and twice on Sundays. The reason you scrubtastic console COD kiddies think kbm is godmode is because these mousers have been using their preferred input method for a decade - or more - with little to no difference between games for how their controls reacted. On the other hand, you "ZOMG CONTROLLER NEEDS AIM ASSIST" kids have been using various controller designs with varying levels of aim correction/auto aim/aim assist on your stupid, bad console shooters, and have never learned proper mastery of any input device because of it. It's the same reason that people who have never driven a car without Anti-Lock Brakes cannot master threshold braking and will lock up the brakes in a car without ABS, flat spotting the tires and increasing their stopping distance. The only way to learn threshold braking is to drive a car without ABS. The only way to learn how to aim well with a DS3 is to play shooters without aim assist. In the meantime, please stop pretending everyone else with a controller is as bad as you are. "You" meaning "every single one of you scrublets in favor of this current aim assist" in that sentence.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 800	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:12:00 - [13] - Quote Hit detection is fixed and aim assist is in and you expect a weapon that can out DPS a small turret to not to perform well?
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 115	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:16:00 - [14] - Quote Its because of the Sharpshooter skill, at level 3+ it turns the AR (practically) into a Laser Rifle. Sharpshooter is (once again) breaking things.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 827	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:19:00 - [15] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Hit detection is fixed and aim assist is in and you expect a weapon that can out DPS a small turret to not to perform well? Well, it's always been an OP piece of crap, but this just makes it nigh intolerable. I'm using a Laser Rifle and I'm being out DPSed in my Optimum. 80 meters, in case you didn't know. It irritates me that a Blaster is better than a Laser at that distance.
Cosgar ParagonX 4727	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:21:00 - [16] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: Its because of the Sharpshooter skill, at level 3+ it turns the AR (practically) into a Laser Rifle. Sharpshooter is (once again) breaking things. The new range system pretty much replaced sharpshooter but kick and dispersion needs to be a thing again to add risk to leaning on the trigger.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3597	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:21:00 - [17] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can No we don't. We just need what DUST already had without aim assist. A hard cap on turn speed that keeps them in the same ballpark as us. Good sixaxis players can keep up with mouse players when given a level playing field in that way. We get aim friction, which helps keep you on target without aiming for you, they get a mouse. If the aim friction is implemented well, it makes up for the loss of precision well enough to avoid the need for auto-aim.
LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 72	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:29:00 - [18] - Quote now i feel like this game just another COD =.=
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 333	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:32:00 - [19] - Quote You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game. Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps
Jade Hasegawa Intrepidus XI EoN. 89	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:34:00 - [20] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can I use a DS3 and wasperfeclty happy with my aim without the assist, its called Aiming for a reason

Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 333	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:39:00 - [21] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can No we don't. We just need what DUST already had without aim assist. A hard cap on turn speed that keeps them in the same ballpark as us. Good sixaxis players can keep up with mouse players when given a level playing field in that way. We get aim friction, which helps keep you on target without aiming for you, they get a mouse. If the aim friction is implemented well, it makes up for the loss of precision well enough to avoid the need for auto-aim. But the kbm users were yelling for the past months to fix the aiming.... or was that ds3 users as well? I am a ds3 users and didnt have an issue with aiming, didnt hear people online claiming an issue with it and I asked the question on here and I thought most of the aiming complaints came from kbm users.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 333	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:42:00 - [22] - Quote Jade Hasegawa wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can I use a DS3 and wasperfeclty happy with my aim without the assist, its called Aiming for a reason Yes ds3 vs ds3 it isnt an issue but kbm vs ds3 the kbm users have an edge and raw kbm vs ds3 is supposed to be no contest.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 251	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:49:00 - [23] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game. Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps Remove KB/M, and a good portion of the playerbase is gone, including me. I don't take any FPS seriously without it, and CCP wants this game to be taken seriously.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 829	Posted - 2013.09.04 16:52:00 - [24] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game. Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps KBM does still have turning limiters equivalent to DS3 stick turning. They can't just whip around like they can in TF2 or Counterstrike.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3605	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:03:00 - [25] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can No we don't. We just need what DUST already had without aim assist. A hard cap on turn speed that keeps them in the same ballpark as us. Good sixaxis players can keep up with mouse players when given a level playing field in that way. We get aim friction, which helps keep you on target without aiming for you, they get a mouse. If the aim friction is implemented well, it makes up for the loss of precision well enough to avoid the need for auto-aim. But the kbm users were yelling for the past months to fix the aiming.... or was that ds3 users as well? I am a ds3 users and didnt have an issue with aiming, didnt hear people online claiming an issue with it and I asked the question on here and I thought most of the aiming complaints came from kbm users. Aim friction was working properly before 1.4 showed up and added the aim assist. We've had aim assist before, it was inconsistent and heavy-handed then, and most of the complaints were about it being inconsistent, with only a few pointing out that when it did work, it was also too strong. Now the aim assist is moslty reliable, but it's still not working as most players would want it to.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1368	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:07:00 - [26] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Aim assist & better hit detection. Say buh bye to speed as a survival option.
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 88	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:09:00 - [27] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Its the hit detection. The hit detection actually registers every single hit possible in the game now, so if you get flank you basically dead if someone has your flank.
NOAMIzzzzz BIG BAD W0LVES 24	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:10:00 - [28] - Quote Yea the AR is so ******** right now...i did fine in 1.3 now it's just dumb
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 140	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:12:00 - [29] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Its the hit detection. The hit detection actually registers every single hit possible in the game now, so if you get flank you basically dead if someone has your flank. not entirerly true, you can still stand behind people sniping in Amaar suits and put a magazine into them without damage. Something about the amaar medium suits deflects bullets.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 324	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:25:00 - [30] - Quote ARs seem underpowered if anything -_-

Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 334	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:37:00 - [31] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game. Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps Remove KB/M, and a good portion of the playerbase is gone, including me. I don't take any FPS seriously without it, and CCP wants this game to be taken seriously. GTFO of here with that seriously garbage. Thats the elitist nonsense - CCP wants numbers, console is where the numbers are at. All those multi million sales of console FPS dont have to bother with kbm by design and are happy raking in the money. Take your scaremongering somewhere else. Just look at how this whole issue has overshadowed what was delivered in the update. CCP delivering less content (which is probably driving away more people) and trying their best to make both camp hampy then just delivering the best possible console game.
godhands9 Black Phoenix Mercenaries 53	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:45:00 - [32] - Quote all aim assist.everyone is no longer skillful
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:46:00 - [33] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you. Add improved hit detection, and people die real good. LMFAO it doesn't aim on the head for you HAHAAA stop making stuff up.
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:55:00 - [34] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game. Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps Remove KB/M, and a good portion of the playerbase is gone, including me. I don't take any FPS seriously without it, and CCP wants this game to be taken seriously. I don't see them removing KB/M most of their playerbase is from EVE. They shouldn't get rid of Aim assist either. Even though the good DS users can play without it. It was still lame, lots of bullets were easily dodged. The guys who aren't that good need some help. KB/M can't have ALL the advantages. I love how DS3 users get one thing and KB/M whine about it all day immediately lol.
Scalesdini The Surrogates Of War 154	Posted - 2013.09.04 17:59:00 - [35] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you. Add improved hit detection, and people die real good. LMFAO it doesn't aim on the head for you HAHAAA stop making stuff up. Yes, it does.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 833	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:48:00 - [36] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game. Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps Remove KB/M, and a good portion of the playerbase is gone, including me. I don't take any FPS seriously without it, and CCP wants this game to be taken seriously. I don't see them removing KB/M most of their playerbase is from EVE. They shouldn't get rid of Aim assist either. Even though the good DS users can play without it. It was still lame, lots of bullets were easily dodged. The guys who aren't that good need some help. KB/M can't have ALL the advantages. I love how DS3 users get one thing and KB/M whine about it all day immediately lol. I am not a KBM player, but I do think the Aim Assist is bollocks. Friction is fine, but Aim Assist, especially this kind, is too strong.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 251	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:09:00 - [37] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game. Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps Remove KB/M, and a good portion of the playerbase is gone, including me. I don't take any FPS seriously without it, and CCP wants this game to be taken seriously. GTFO of here with that seriously garbage. Thats the elitist nonsense - CCP wants numbers, console is where the numbers are at. All those multi million sales of console FPS dont have to bother with kbm by design and are happy raking in the money. Take your scaremongering somewhere else. Just look at how this whole issue has overshadowed what was delivered in the update. CCP delivering less content (which is probably driving away more people) and trying their best to make both camps happy than just delivering the best possible console game. This is not a casual oriented COD clone. It is a serious minded FPS. If CCP wanted numbers, they would have dumbed down Eve Online years ago, so take your ignorant strawman elsewhere.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1602	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:10:00 - [38] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Its got some great range on it now as well.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 846	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:12:00 - [39] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Its got some great range on it now as well. Did they buff that or is it just the Sharpshooter+Operations making the gun recoilless along with Aim Assist making it autotarget?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 929	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:25:00 - [40] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Kill it, Kill it with FIRE!!!! The AR that is.

Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 339	Posted - 2013.09.04 23:19:00 - [41] - Quote I went 12-3 with toxin AR..... 310 shield/150armor..... No skill points in AR what so ever
Dust Project 514 Pistol King 269	Posted - 2013.09.04 23:54:00 - [42] - Quote It's OP, as it always has been. A weapon that should just be OK in most situations is the BEST in almost ALL situations. The fixing of the hit detection just made it more obvious.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 856	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:06:00 - [43] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: I went 12-3 with toxin AR..... 310 shield/150armor..... No skill points in AR what so ever No skill points with a no skill point requirement STD level weapon... I swear there's a joke/insult there for ARs...
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:28:00 - [44] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: I went 12-3 with toxin AR..... 310 shield/150armor..... No skill points in AR what so ever I went like 34-2 with basic MD only 1 point in it to use it what's your point?
Blaze Ashra O.U.T.E.R. S.A.N.C.T.U.M. 21	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:05:00 - [45] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: I went 12-3 with toxin AR..... 310 shield/150armor..... No skill points in AR what so ever I went like 34-2 with basic MD only 1 point in it to use it what's your point? Was this before or after 1.4?
Beyond Creation The Pyramid Order The Nova Foundry 7	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:50:00 - [46] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Its the hit detection. The hit detection actually registers every single hit possible in the game now, so if you get flank you basically dead if someone has your flank. the nova knife hit detection is still really horrible, maybe even worse since 1.4. A moving target is highly likely to be hit with a fully charged nova knife and take no damage. On top of that because of hit detection fixed for the AR plus the enhance aim assist makes it almost impossible for a scout to survive. We can't use speed to our advantage because now they can follow our movements easier and swipe with a better hit detection causing me to die like i was in cod getting shot point blank with an aug. The Ar was bad enough how it was without this aim assist and high hit rate.


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