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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
825
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Posted - 2013.09.04 14:57:00 -
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I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3582
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:07:00 -
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Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you.
Add improved hit detection, and people die real good. |
Scalesdini
The Surrogates Of War
148
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:07:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago.
This is what happens when you...
Fix lag issues
Fix hit detection issues
Add ridiculously overpowered aim "assist"
All in the same patch.
Pretty obvious CCP didn't think about that one enough. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
242
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:34:00 -
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AR got "more" powerful in 1.4 due to changes in hit detection and aim assist. More of its shots are connecting now, and that makes it hurt more...a lot more. Don't forget that AR is supposed to be really high damage at close-to-medium ranges, with Combat, SCR, and Rail rifles rounding out the rifle line at higher ranges.
Problem is now, though, that Combat and Rail rifles don't exist yet, so AR is left to carry the banner of "the" rifle (sorry SCR! That's the way it is! Even Amarr militia starter suits have them! I mean seriously, wtf, why doesn't Amarr have its racial weapon!?). Once all the rifles are introduced, we'll see some nerfs to ARs (which, I'm sure, will mean tremendous QQ and "Dust is dead" forum posts) to make them really close range killers, while Combat and Rail rifles get advantages at higher ranges. I mean, come on guys, there's a reason shield suits make poor brawlers. Compare the power/tank/engagement range of the races to get an idea of how they all fit together:
Gallente: best brawlers, highest armor, most damage close
Amarr: good brawlers, armor/shield mix, high single damage rounds at mid ranges
Minmatar: bad brawlers but great kiting/speed, mostly shield + speed based, (since this is a combat rifle, I have to guess: strong burst damage so as to get a shot in before running to cover)
Caldari: good skirmisher, highest/best optimized shield tank, (good damage at longest ranges) |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
837
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:36:00 -
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if every shot lands AR's and hmg's have some of the highest dps in the game, not surprising that when you have an aim bot doing alot of the work for you, you will hit the target alot more, thus making it seem more powerful. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
454
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:46:00 -
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Hit detection issues that were fixed mean more bullets landing.
Giving borderline-aimbot to every scrub means everyone has almost perfect aim
Put those two together and you won't be surviving for long without at least ~1000 EHP. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
160
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:52:00 -
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Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1994
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:53:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Hit detection issues that were fixed mean more bullets landing.
Giving borderline-aimbot to every scrub means everyone has almost perfect aim
Put those two together and you won't be surviving for long without at least ~1000 EHP.
Its just who sees who first.
If I see you first you will die, and vice versa. This was the reason I left COD in the first place :(
Haven't played yet... kind of worried about it though... curious how the rest of the tournament is gonna be.. |
Seed Dren
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
47
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:56:00 -
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There is 1 more thing your not taking into account .... but a lady never kiss and tells.. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
559
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:59:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you.
Add improved hit detection, and people die real good.
Maybe that's the issue. IMO, aim assist should gear toward center mass/body shots. Headshots should require skill. |
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Abby Invo
DUST University
Ivy League
53
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:08:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Aim assist makes it easier to stay on target, and preferentially aims for the head for you.
Add improved hit detection, and people die real good.
It really doesn't, please stop spreading misinformation. |
Scalesdini
The Surrogates Of War
151
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:10:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can
Everyone in favor of aim assist is a scrub who doesn't understand how to play well with a controller because they can't aim at all.
I only use DS3. I do not use explosive weapons. I do not use vehicles. I will murder the face off of most any mouser any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
The reason you scrubtastic console COD kiddies think kbm is godmode is because these mousers have been using their preferred input method for a decade - or more - with little to no difference between games for how their controls reacted. On the other hand, you "ZOMG CONTROLLER NEEDS AIM ASSIST" kids have been using various controller designs with varying levels of aim correction/auto aim/aim assist on your stupid, bad console shooters, and have never learned proper mastery of any input device because of it.
It's the same reason that people who have never driven a car without Anti-Lock Brakes cannot master threshold braking and will lock up the brakes in a car without ABS, flat spotting the tires and increasing their stopping distance.
The only way to learn threshold braking is to drive a car without ABS. The only way to learn how to aim well with a DS3 is to play shooters without aim assist.
In the meantime, please stop pretending everyone else with a controller is as bad as you are. "You" meaning "every single one of you scrublets in favor of this current aim assist" in that sentence. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
800
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:12:00 -
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Hit detection is fixed and aim assist is in and you expect a weapon that can out DPS a small turret to not to perform well? |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
115
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:16:00 -
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Its because of the Sharpshooter skill, at level 3+ it turns the AR (practically) into a Laser Rifle.
Sharpshooter is (once again) breaking things. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
827
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:19:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Hit detection is fixed and aim assist is in and you expect a weapon that can out DPS a small turret to not to perform well?
Well, it's always been an OP piece of crap, but this just makes it nigh intolerable. I'm using a Laser Rifle and I'm being out DPSed in my Optimum. 80 meters, in case you didn't know. It irritates me that a Blaster is better than a Laser at that distance. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4727
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:21:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Its because of the Sharpshooter skill, at level 3+ it turns the AR (practically) into a Laser Rifle.
Sharpshooter is (once again) breaking things.
The new range system pretty much replaced sharpshooter but kick and dispersion needs to be a thing again to add risk to leaning on the trigger. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3597
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:21:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can
No we don't.
We just need what DUST already had without aim assist. A hard cap on turn speed that keeps them in the same ballpark as us. Good sixaxis players can keep up with mouse players when given a level playing field in that way. We get aim friction, which helps keep you on target without aiming for you, they get a mouse. If the aim friction is implemented well, it makes up for the loss of precision well enough to avoid the need for auto-aim. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
72
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:29:00 -
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now i feel like this game just another COD =.= |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:32:00 -
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You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters
CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game.
Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps |
Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
89
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:34:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can
I use a DS3 and wasperfeclty happy with my aim without the assist, its called Aiming for a reason |
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:39:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can No we don't. We just need what DUST already had without aim assist. A hard cap on turn speed that keeps them in the same ballpark as us. Good sixaxis players can keep up with mouse players when given a level playing field in that way. We get aim friction, which helps keep you on target without aiming for you, they get a mouse. If the aim friction is implemented well, it makes up for the loss of precision well enough to avoid the need for auto-aim.
But the kbm users were yelling for the past months to fix the aiming.... or was that ds3 users as well?
I am a ds3 users and didnt have an issue with aiming, didnt hear people online claiming an issue with it and I asked the question on here and I thought most of the aiming complaints came from kbm users. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:42:00 -
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Jade Hasegawa wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can I use a DS3 and wasperfeclty happy with my aim without the assist, its called Aiming for a reason
Yes ds3 vs ds3 it isnt an issue but kbm vs ds3 the kbm users have an edge and raw kbm vs ds3 is supposed to be no contest.
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
251
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:49:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters
CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game.
Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps
Remove KB/M, and a good portion of the playerbase is gone, including me.
I don't take any FPS seriously without it, and CCP wants this game to be taken seriously. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
829
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:52:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:You want to get rid of "aimbot" - they will have to drop kbm or put back on the limiters
CCP created this problem and the balancing merry go round catering to the kbm crowd instead of keeping this a firmly based console game.
Crouching Tiger wushu will continue to try to placate all camps
KBM does still have turning limiters equivalent to DS3 stick turning. They can't just whip around like they can in TF2 or Counterstrike. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3605
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:03:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Everyone complaining about aim assist is a scrub who dosent understand the controllers need aim assist because they can't aim like a mouse can No we don't. We just need what DUST already had without aim assist. A hard cap on turn speed that keeps them in the same ballpark as us. Good sixaxis players can keep up with mouse players when given a level playing field in that way. We get aim friction, which helps keep you on target without aiming for you, they get a mouse. If the aim friction is implemented well, it makes up for the loss of precision well enough to avoid the need for auto-aim. But the kbm users were yelling for the past months to fix the aiming.... or was that ds3 users as well? I am a ds3 users and didnt have an issue with aiming, didnt hear people online claiming an issue with it and I asked the question on here and I thought most of the aiming complaints came from kbm users.
Aim friction was working properly before 1.4 showed up and added the aim assist. We've had aim assist before, it was inconsistent and heavy-handed then, and most of the complaints were about it being inconsistent, with only a few pointing out that when it did work, it was also too strong. Now the aim assist is moslty reliable, but it's still not working as most players would want it to. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1368
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:07:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago.
Aim assist & better hit detection. Say buh bye to speed as a survival option. |
Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
88
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:09:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago.
Its the hit detection. The hit detection actually registers every single hit possible in the game now, so if you get flank you basically dead if someone has your flank. |
NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES
24
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:10:00 -
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Yea the AR is so ******** right now...i did fine in 1.3 now it's just dumb |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
140
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:12:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:I don't know if it's the aim assist or everyone suddenly got REALLY good at aiming, but the AR is far more powerful than it was mere days ago. Its the hit detection. The hit detection actually registers every single hit possible in the game now, so if you get flank you basically dead if someone has your flank.
not entirerly true, you can still stand behind people sniping in Amaar suits and put a magazine into them without damage. Something about the amaar medium suits deflects bullets. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
324
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:25:00 -
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ARs seem underpowered if anything -_- |
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