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Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 354	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:19:00 - [1] - Quote You are likely getting owned for a couple of reasons. For the last couple months, Aim assist has been so broken that most people just turned it off. This means that people have had months of training and experience putting rounds on target with no assistance. AKA, we can already put and keep our crosshairs on you. Now that aim assist is back in, the people who were able to keep on target without are now glued lock solid to their targets. This is a good thing. This means that instant-direction swap strafing from KB/M users, and bunny hopping are no longer effective methods of evading fire. Without aim assist, that no-aim assist person was already close. All those tactics did were buy you a few extra rounds of life, which was enough for you to win a fire fight(Especially you Explosives users ;) ). If you want to stay competitive, learn the tools which the no aim assist players have spent the last 2+ months learning. Stay behind cover. Pick your engagement ranges. Don't pick every single fight ever just because you have an AR. Don't bunny hop; it's burning your stamina, and it makes you look like a tool. Re-evaluate your loadout - what may have worked then may not be the right choice now(Cough Damage Mod Spam Cough). Just some food for thought. Ignore it at your own peril.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1028	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:21:00 - [2] - Quote Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :(
Jammeh McJam Robbing The Hood 21	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:24:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. 1v1s are practically 'whoever haste most hp wins' with the new aim assist, it's not fair on a lot of the vets who have specialised heavily in their role, just to get stomped by a few sneaky starter fits.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1510	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:26:00 - [4] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix. HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 354	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:28:00 - [5] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( Sadly, I cannot speak for scouts. I have a scout alt, and life just sucks for scouts in general :(. Here's hoping they get some love in 1.5/1.6!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:29:00 - [6] - Quote No, it used to be whoever had mouse/keyboard wins due to vastly superior strafing and precision in aiming, now everyone is deadly and maybe you just need to use tactics. Of course CCP may need to look at the amount of damage output by a few weapons at certain ranges, I doubt they meant for ARs to absolutely melt any suit within 80 meters.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3043	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:30:00 - [7] - Quote Scouts aren't meant to charge head on into a fight. Please stop using them this way.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 356	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:30:00 - [8] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix. HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I had it on yesterday, and I was still missing in engagements. It's simply easier to stay on target now in close to mid range. I can count on one hand the number of instances where I felt that the aim assist was doing too much work. But, that could be subjective to how I play using the DS3. EDIT: And the assists don't even seem to activate past 40 meters..
Annabandak Mercery Knights Of Ender 17	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:31:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( isnt a scout ment for other thing? like scouting? he spots someting then the squad moves in? or are you solo in public match , thats fine tbh. scout is then maybe not the best for 1v1
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1029	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:31:00 - [10] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( Sadly, I cannot speak for scouts. I have a scout alt, and life just sucks for scouts in general :(. Here's hoping they get some love in 1.5/1.6! Doesn't matter what love scouts get. The best one we could get now with this new aim assist is hp. And that's not happening. Which means scouts are doomed. Can't win 1v1s simply because no hp. Before we could BECAUSE of strafing and bunny hopping.

Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:32:00 - [11] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix. HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating. This argument boils down to one of two things to establish parity; 1) remove mouse and keyboard from the game or 2)gimp everything about a mouse so it controls no better than a joystick You cry about "aimbots" and the VAST VAST majority of players are at a disadvantage against mouse users without it.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1029	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:33:00 - [12] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: No, it used to be whoever had mouse/keyboard wins due to vastly superior strafing and precision in aiming, now everyone is deadly and maybe you just need to use tactics. Of course CCP may need to look at the amount of damage output by a few weapons at certain ranges, I doubt they meant for ARs to absolutely melt any suit within 80 meters. Sigh.. Mkb was NOT winning gunfights. Most of the great players use ds3 you know.. Superior strafing and Presision was gained through natural talent and having played this game for awhile.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:33:00 - [13] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( Sadly, I cannot speak for scouts. I have a scout alt, and life just sucks for scouts in general :(. Here's hoping they get some love in 1.5/1.6! Doesn't matter what love scouts get. The best one we could get now with this new aim assist is hp. And that's not happening. Which means scouts are doomed. Can't win 1v1s simply because no hp. Before we could BECAUSE of strafing and bunny hopping. I seem to remember something about a nerfed squad view, and scouts having a low signal level that can be reduced. Maybe, just maybe, scout suits should try to be stealthy and no CQC kings?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1510	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:35:00 - [14] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix. HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I had it on yesterday, and I was still missing in engagements. It's simply easier to stay on target now in close to mid range. I can count on one hand the number of instances where I felt that the aim assist was doing too much work. But, that could be subjective to how I play using the DS3. EDIT: And the assists don't even seem to activate past 40 meters.. fair enough. it just so happens this opinion is an industry standard tho.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:35:00 - [15] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: No, it used to be whoever had mouse/keyboard wins due to vastly superior strafing and precision in aiming, now everyone is deadly and maybe you just need to use tactics. Of course CCP may need to look at the amount of damage output by a few weapons at certain ranges, I doubt they meant for ARs to absolutely melt any suit within 80 meters. Sigh.. Mkb was NOT winning gunfights. Most of the great players use ds3 you know.. Superior strafing and Presision was gained through natural talent and having played this game for awhile. For one, you have no statistics to back that up, so its is a meaningless statement. Well actually that is all of it, you have no evidence, no facts, no studies, no data, nothing to back up what you just said. Read the forums over the last few months, notice how people constantly moaned about mouse users and how you could instantly tell you were battling one?
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 1131	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:35:00 - [16] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( Sadly, I cannot speak for scouts. I have a scout alt, and life just sucks for scouts in general :(. Here's hoping they get some love in 1.5/1.6! Doesn't matter what love scouts get. The best one we could get now with this new aim assist is hp. And that's not happening. Which means scouts are doomed. Can't win 1v1s simply because no hp. Before we could BECAUSE of strafing and bunny hopping. I am a little surprised scouts aren't more viable now because they can sneak up on peeps so well.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1029	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:36:00 - [17] - Quote Annabandak Mercery wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( isnt a scout ment for other thing? like scouting? he spots someting then the squad moves in? or are you solo in public match , thats fine tbh. scout is then maybe not the best for 1v1 Well that's another problem with scouts. Despite the name, CCP still doesn't know what the hell their true role is. Whether its what you say they are or just a speed combat oriented suit. Who knows. I've been using it as a combat scout and I do well. In 1.4 not so much..
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:37:00 - [18] - Quote I like the aim assist good stuff CCP.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 903	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:38:00 - [19] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( Sadly, I cannot speak for scouts. I have a scout alt, and life just sucks for scouts in general :(. Here's hoping they get some love in 1.5/1.6! Doesn't matter what love scouts get. The best one we could get now with this new aim assist is hp. And that's not happening. Which means scouts are doomed. Can't win 1v1s simply because no hp. Before we could BECAUSE of strafing and bunny hopping. I am a little surprised scouts aren't more viable now because they can sneak up on peeps so well. Shotguns are super unreliable currently. Your element of surprise is kind of moot when you can't off a guy before he turns around and kills you in 10 bullets.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1029	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:38:00 - [20] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: No, it used to be whoever had mouse/keyboard wins due to vastly superior strafing and precision in aiming, now everyone is deadly and maybe you just need to use tactics. Of course CCP may need to look at the amount of damage output by a few weapons at certain ranges, I doubt they meant for ARs to absolutely melt any suit within 80 meters. Sigh.. Mkb was NOT winning gunfights. Most of the great players use ds3 you know.. Superior strafing and Presision was gained through natural talent and having played this game for awhile. For one, you have no statistics to back that up, so its is a meaningless statement. Well actually that is all of it, you have no evidence, no facts, no studies, no data, nothing to back up what you just said. Read the forums over the last few months, notice how people constantly moaned about mouse users and how you could instantly tell you were battling one? Sooo.. Forum whining=facts and evidence good players use Kbm?

Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 1132	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:40:00 - [21] - Quote Malcom Xo wrote: I like the aim assist good stuff CCP. Lol oh you. Aren't you off somewhere getting banned?
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 1132	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:41:00 - [22] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( Sadly, I cannot speak for scouts. I have a scout alt, and life just sucks for scouts in general :(. Here's hoping they get some love in 1.5/1.6! Doesn't matter what love scouts get. The best one we could get now with this new aim assist is hp. And that's not happening. Which means scouts are doomed. Can't win 1v1s simply because no hp. Before we could BECAUSE of strafing and bunny hopping. I am a little surprised scouts aren't more viable now because they can sneak up on peeps so well. Shotguns are super unreliable currently. Your element of surprise is kind of moot when you can't off a guy before he turns around and kills you in 10 bullets. So...have you tried the ole' iced slayer dual smg's combo?
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 15	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:45:00 - [23] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: No, it used to be whoever had mouse/keyboard wins due to vastly superior strafing and precision in aiming, now everyone is deadly and maybe you just need to use tactics. Of course CCP may need to look at the amount of damage output by a few weapons at certain ranges, I doubt they meant for ARs to absolutely melt any suit within 80 meters. Sigh.. Mkb was NOT winning gunfights. Most of the great players use ds3 you know.. Superior strafing and Presision was gained through natural talent and having played this game for awhile. For one, you have no statistics to back that up, so its is a meaningless statement. Well actually that is all of it, you have no evidence, no facts, no studies, no data, nothing to back up what you just said. Read the forums over the last few months, notice how people constantly moaned about mouse users and how you could instantly tell you were battling one? Sooo.. Forum whining=facts and evidence good players use Kbm? No, but where there is smoke there is fire. What you claimed is fully unsupported. OTOH the fact that whines about the mouse and keyboard play have been consistent through months of forum post should tell you something. EDIT: hey my K/D ratio today has taken a huge hit, but I find it interesting.
Asmodeus Reinhart Savage Arms INC 35	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:50:00 - [24] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Soo if you're a scout you're ******? Since we survive on bunny hopping and strafing in 1v1s lol. IMO strafing is gungame. The better you out strafe your openents fire and land yours, told how good you were. Now it seems a bit messed up :( Sadly, I cannot speak for scouts. I have a scout alt, and life just sucks for scouts in general :(. Here's hoping they get some love in 1.5/1.6! Doesn't matter what love scouts get. The best one we could get now with this new aim assist is hp. And that's not happening. Which means scouts are doomed. Can't win 1v1s simply because no hp. Before we could BECAUSE of strafing and bunny hopping. You are quite hard to hit. Even with explosives. Lord knows I have ended up on the opposite side enough to respect your ability to stick and move. That doesn't even quite cover the jumping, landing shots, strafe lock breaking - switch weapons shoot more, run around the corner only to end up popping up 2 seconds later from behind - "Djinn dance". I respect it because I started as a light suit. Respec'd caldari assault. But doing the stuff you do isn't easy. Sorry to hear it got even harder. On a side note. Landed more than a hand full of hip fire head shots today with the scrambler rifle. Piano's were dropping left and right and it seemed easier than it ever has been to hit people in the face. And I do it a lot even before. Even with a mass driver. And that ain't easy.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 356	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:50:00 - [25] - Quote I wonder if CCP would one day be so kind as to grace us with the actual percentages on who uses what control method..? I'm sure the community at large would be very interested in this information Hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1030	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:55:00 - [26] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: No, it used to be whoever had mouse/keyboard wins due to vastly superior strafing and precision in aiming, now everyone is deadly and maybe you just need to use tactics. Of course CCP may need to look at the amount of damage output by a few weapons at certain ranges, I doubt they meant for ARs to absolutely melt any suit within 80 meters. Sigh.. Mkb was NOT winning gunfights. Most of the great players use ds3 you know.. Superior strafing and Presision was gained through natural talent and having played this game for awhile. For one, you have no statistics to back that up, so its is a meaningless statement. Well actually that is all of it, you have no evidence, no facts, no studies, no data, nothing to back up what you just said. Read the forums over the last few months, notice how people constantly moaned about mouse users and how you could instantly tell you were battling one? Sooo.. Forum whining=facts and evidence good players use Kbm? No, but where there is smoke there is fire. What you claimed is fully unsupported. OTOH the fact that whines about the mouse and keyboard play have been consistent through months of forum post should tell you something. EDIT: hey my K/D ratio today has taken a huge hit, but I find it interesting. The people that whined about kbm... Were they sure that whoever they got owned by was actually using it? I could see it being more like they couldn't accept being owned and just said "No fair! He's probably kbm! I'm no match against that!" The Smoke is just steam from the hot tears.
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:56:00 - [27] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Malcom Xo wrote: I like the aim assist good stuff CCP. Lol oh you. Aren't you off somewhere getting banned? Lol! I tried. Perhaps CCP realized it was only truth. I do like the aim assist though. I really don't see a problem with it. If KB/M think it's sooo godlike they have the right to use a DS3. For once that argument is now a 2way street
dustwaffle Ill Omens 433	Posted - 2013.09.04 08:07:00 - [28] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: No, but where there is smoke there is fire. What you claimed is fully unsupported. OTOH the fact that whines about the mouse and keyboard play have been consistent through months of forum post should tell you something. EDIT: hey my K/D ratio today has taken a huge hit, but I find it interesting. Not really, on the Dust forums, there's always more smoke than fire. Especially when you start seeing threads about nova knives being too OP. Insofar as the last few months have been since Uprising 1.0, there's been hardly any whinage on KBM vs DS3. You could also say that what YOU claimed is unsupported. Well I'll stand corrected and concede the point, if you can find me the most recent KBM/DS3, prior to 1.4, which isn't bumped or necro'd from 6 months ago.
Cosgar ParagonX 4705	Posted - 2013.09.04 08:25:00 - [29] - Quote Did anyone stop to think that weapon kick and dispersion might be an issue and not aim-assist?


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