DUST Search - request: remove matchmaking

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Geovexen wrote:

gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields.

what makes matchmaking lame is two things:\
1. it takes too damn long to get to a match. looks like my grinding for SP is gonna be a chore now.
2. I have to hope and pray i get the gamemode i want instead of it queuing me for the game mode i want. wth CCP? what game in history has ever made you get random gamemodes?

all of this is too complicated, yes it looks good on paper but implementing it in a live fire situation wont work

basing it on sp disenfranchises whatever sp group is at low pop at any particular time of the day and having matches based on gear will make certain tiers suffer the same low population... just not enough people play right now to have any good matchmaking solution except to have no match making...

It would work better than anything we've had so far. Say a MLT player can't find a battle in the MLT group. They just change their search parameters to meet the STD or ADV class as well. Then they won't get Protostomped at least.

and what if he picked militia because he cant yet run adv etc etc... then he gets screwed

also what if just one piece of gear, say an armor repper is adv and everything else is standard?... its to complicated and puts to much restriction on fittings to be fun

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Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 697	Posted - 2013.09.03 21:59:00 - [1] - Quote good try CCP, its appreciated, I personally thought it was a bad idea and wouldn't work, and its not... I think all the matchmaking QQERS realize it now as well. so good try, thanks you sure showed them the error of their matchmaking requests. now lets get back to killing each other instead of waiting forever to get in a match. thanks.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 269	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:08:00 - [2] - Quote bring back the old matchmaking and introduce a gear restriction?...
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 697	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:12:00 - [3] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: bring back the old matchmaking and introduce a gear restriction?... there was no old matchmaking....I understand proto stomping sucks, I don't have a good solution to it, but this clearly isn't it...
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 56	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CLONE117 wrote: bring back the old matchmaking and introduce a gear restriction?... there was no old matchmaking....I understand proto stomping sucks, I don't have a good solution to it, but this clearly isn't it... The solution is to make the matchmaking less strict so we don't get protostomps, but we also don't get 16v3 matches.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 270	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:20:00 - [5] - Quote actually a gear restriction would work better than most ppl think.. the many times this idea has been shot down is because ppl r afraid of being unable to use their more powerful weaponry... but the way the gear restriction would be implemented wouldnt change much as it would be like this. instant battle skirmish: militia only.. instant battle skirmish: mlt-std instant battle skirmish: mlt-advanced instant battle skirmish: mlt-proto... that is how the gear restriction should work and be implemented onto the battle finder..... its basically a simple solution to a complex problem.. and i think it wouldnt be to hard to implement.
Geovexen STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 14	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:24:00 - [6] - Quote gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 270	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:31:00 - [7] - Quote a gear restriction is still better over all as far as im concerned... although its basically a tier restriction.. the skill levels of each player will differ a lot.. its not effective to just do matchmaking just based on sp, wp, or skill level alone... those systems r abused way to many times so much its not funny..but with a gear restriction the only major difference wouldnt be gear.. it would be total amount of sp.... and that should be the only difference on the game..for a gear restriction..
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 697	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:32:00 - [8] - Quote Geovexen wrote: gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields. what makes matchmaking lame is two things:\ 1. it takes too damn long to get to a match. looks like my grinding for SP is gonna be a chore now. 2. I have to hope and pray i get the gamemode i want instead of it queuing me for the game mode i want. wth CCP? what game in history has ever made you get random gamemodes? all of this is too complicated, yes it looks good on paper but implementing it in a live fire situation wont work basing it on sp disenfranchises whatever sp group is at low pop at any particular time of the day and having matches based on gear will make certain tiers suffer the same low population... just not enough people play right now to have any good matchmaking solution except to have no match making...
Yokal Bob Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 209	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:35:00 - [9] - Quote here is where a matchmaking system fails. squads. people will undoubtedly vary in terms of gear and skill in a squad. that is all
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 697	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:37:00 - [10] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: here is where a matchmaking system fails. squads. people will undoubtedly vary in terms of gear and skill in a squad. that is all I agree

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 56	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:37:00 - [11] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Geovexen wrote: gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields. what makes matchmaking lame is two things:\ 1. it takes too damn long to get to a match. looks like my grinding for SP is gonna be a chore now. 2. I have to hope and pray i get the gamemode i want instead of it queuing me for the game mode i want. wth CCP? what game in history has ever made you get random gamemodes? all of this is too complicated, yes it looks good on paper but implementing it in a live fire situation wont work basing it on sp disenfranchises whatever sp group is at low pop at any particular time of the day and having matches based on gear will make certain tiers suffer the same low population... just not enough people play right now to have any good matchmaking solution except to have no match making... It would work better than anything we've had so far. Say a MLT player can't find a battle in the MLT group. They just change their search parameters to meet the STD or ADV class as well. Then they won't get Protostomped at least.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 697	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:40:00 - [12] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Geovexen wrote: gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields. what makes matchmaking lame is two things:\ 1. it takes too damn long to get to a match. looks like my grinding for SP is gonna be a chore now. 2. I have to hope and pray i get the gamemode i want instead of it queuing me for the game mode i want. wth CCP? what game in history has ever made you get random gamemodes? all of this is too complicated, yes it looks good on paper but implementing it in a live fire situation wont work basing it on sp disenfranchises whatever sp group is at low pop at any particular time of the day and having matches based on gear will make certain tiers suffer the same low population... just not enough people play right now to have any good matchmaking solution except to have no match making... It would work better than anything we've had so far. Say a MLT player can't find a battle in the MLT group. They just change their search parameters to meet the STD or ADV class as well. Then they won't get Protostomped at least. and what if he picked militia because he cant yet run adv etc etc... then he gets screwed also what if just one piece of gear, say an armor repper is adv and everything else is standard?... its to complicated and puts to much restriction on fittings to be fun
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 270	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:59:00 - [13] - Quote then the militia player can jump into the std area.. the way the restriction is set would have a few cons but dont all things have pros and cons?.. and im sure that adv armor repper can be swaped out for a cheap std armor repper...
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 56	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:01:00 - [14] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Geovexen wrote: gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields. what makes matchmaking lame is two things:\ 1. it takes too damn long to get to a match. looks like my grinding for SP is gonna be a chore now. 2. I have to hope and pray i get the gamemode i want instead of it queuing me for the game mode i want. wth CCP? what game in history has ever made you get random gamemodes? all of this is too complicated, yes it looks good on paper but implementing it in a live fire situation wont work basing it on sp disenfranchises whatever sp group is at low pop at any particular time of the day and having matches based on gear will make certain tiers suffer the same low population... just not enough people play right now to have any good matchmaking solution except to have no match making... It would work better than anything we've had so far. Say a MLT player can't find a battle in the MLT group. They just change their search parameters to meet the STD or ADV class as well. Then they won't get Protostomped at least. and what if he picked militia because he cant yet run adv etc etc... then he gets screwed also what if just one piece of gear, say an armor repper is adv and everything else is standard?... its to complicated and puts to much restriction on fittings to be fun Then he manually goes to the standard class gametype. At least then he wouldn't be matched up against a bunch of prototypes. It would still be better than anything we've had so far.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 698	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:05:00 - [15] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: then the militia player can jump into the std area.. the way the restriction is set would have a few cons but dont all things have pros and cons?.. and im sure that adv armor repper can be swaped out for a cheap std armor repper... that's not the point though... the point is its too many restrictions, sure the militia guy can jump into an std, but what if everyone is playing adv? sure the guy can swap out the armor repper but that means making a whole new suit with all std gear, one with all adv gear one with all militia gear... instead of one suit mixed... it seriously restricts players... I for example run an all bp logi suit with 1 set of std remotes and 1 set of adv remotes... so this means I cant run my adv remotes? why? its just not sensible for a game with so many gear choices to then restrict you for a match... a better choice would be to toggle matchmaking I guess.... let those who want it to run it and those who don't to not.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 270	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:15:00 - [16] - Quote we would still have the mixed areas.. but the matchmaking parameter would just end up being increased.. plus its possible to edit fitting and swap out the gear.. u dont always have to make an entirely new fitting... u may have to spend more trying to create a fitting for the lower tiers if u r already running high tiered fittings.. or mixed fittings.. the instant battle: mlt-proto would basically be the same as the current game modes we have now..so this type of gear restriction would allow for m4 flexibility in a few ways...and place players onto more even playing fields..it would also allow the newer players enough time to learn how to play... and they will be able to get into tiered areas when they think they r ready...its not that complex if u think about it...
Geovexen STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 16	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:18:00 - [17] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Geovexen wrote: gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields. what makes matchmaking lame is two things:\ 1. it takes too damn long to get to a match. looks like my grinding for SP is gonna be a chore now. 2. I have to hope and pray i get the gamemode i want instead of it queuing me for the game mode i want. wth CCP? what game in history has ever made you get random gamemodes? all of this is too complicated, yes it looks good on paper but implementing it in a live fire situation wont work basing it on sp disenfranchises whatever sp group is at low pop at any particular time of the day and having matches based on gear will make certain tiers suffer the same low population... just not enough people play right now to have any good matchmaking solution except to have no match making... the only way and SP system creates a gap is if the system is based off tiers and not a dynamic system. if you are at either end of the spectrum (little SP or High SP) then on low pop days you end up playing a little high or a little low respectively. if you do a gear system when there's a low population no one will play ever because of gear restrictions. and to ask me to run militia just to play cuz of populations isn't fair. and an SP system does not have to be complex to pair people respectively. if you're queued, your SP goes into the pool of players and once 32 people in close range get paired, the game starts.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:20:00 - [18] - Quote No to gear-based matches. It shouldn't be based on SPs either. It should be based on what your average rank is at the end of the match. There will be players who are amazing with crappy gear and low SP, and others who suck with tons of SP and full proto. A good matchmaker would pair up people based on player performance. That should yield the best balance. Also CCP could dynamically expand the parameters depending on wait times. The most important factor isn't the size of the gap from how good the best player in the match relative to the worst player is, but that the talent is evenly distributed between both teams so that both sides have fairly equal strength. This will produce close fights and reduce proto stomping, as would a major increase in the price of proto suits (they're supposed to be for important matches, not meaningless ones).
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 698	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:21:00 - [19] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: we would still have the mixed areas.. but the matchmaking parameter would just end up being increased.. plus its possible to edit fitting and swap out the gear.. u dont always have to make an entirely new fitting... u may have to spend more trying to create a fitting for the lower tiers if u r already running high tiered fittings.. or mixed fittings.. the instant battle: mlt-proto would basically be the same as the current game modes we have now..so this type of gear restriction would allow for m4 flexibility in a few ways...and place players onto more even playing fields..it would also allow the newer players enough time to learn how to play... and they will be able to get into tiered areas when they think they r ready...its not that complex if u think about it... you will have no argument from me that right now for new players the game can be extremely unfriendly... but I don't think matchmaking fixes that for them, but it does suck for everyone else... for new players, the academy is the right direction, but its far from perfect and needs more tweaking... the idea should be to make the game inviting to new players while making the game enjoyable for vets.... this matchmaking does neither.... and lets be honest, proto stomping doesn't happen to any of us all the time, and with a little attention paid to who youre up against in the war barge you could leave a gaurunteed stomp easy.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 56	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:22:00 - [20] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CLONE117 wrote: then the militia player can jump into the std area.. the way the restriction is set would have a few cons but dont all things have pros and cons?.. and im sure that adv armor repper can be swaped out for a cheap std armor repper... that's not the point though... the point is its too many restrictions, sure the militia guy can jump into an std, but what if everyone is playing adv? sure the guy can swap out the armor repper but that means making a whole new suit with all std gear, one with all adv gear one with all militia gear... instead of one suit mixed... it seriously restricts players... I for example run an all bp logi suit with 1 set of std remotes and 1 set of adv remotes... so this means I cant run my adv remotes? why? its just not sensible for a game with so many gear choices to then restrict you for a match... a better choice would be to toggle matchmaking I guess.... let those who want it to run it and those who don't to not. If you have an adv module or equipment or anything you would be restricted to the avd and proto matches. It would be better than the 16v3 bullshit we have now, and no one would ever get protostomped again unless they want the challenge. It restricts the gear that is used, not the player. That way if someone just wanted to run MLT to make money they wouldn't get prototypes killing them. The higher tiered matches could have higher payouts to insentivize actually doing them. This would also help with new player retention as no ones first experience straight out of the academy would be them getting slaughtered by protobears. I admit the MLT matches might be underpopulated, but there would probably be a good bit of STD matches they could join. 1 mlt dude in a std match stands a lot better chance than a mlt dude against a bunch of photos. This way actual player skill would determine matches, instead player pocketbook sizeand their gear.

CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 271	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:30:00 - [21] - Quote the sp system wouldnt work well as we would all still have the pubstomps... the sp system wouldnt really change a thing players may have differing sp levels with the gear restriction but the main point of it all is the fact that even if one player has more sp than the other they r still restriction to the same gear... they player with more sp may have an advatange to those that do not have that amount of sp but they r operating with in the same gear.. those modules will make a bigger difference to the varying suits hp level overall instead of a certain skill... and if the skill and modules r combined that makes the module even more powerful... which is why an sp system wouldnt work well. players will normally spec into the proto versions of the most powerful weaponry but the gear restriction would only mean that player with the op gun wont have his super gun to use against the new berries he would be on the same playing level along with the other players..and if he wants to use his super gun he would end up going against other players with super guns... so the gear restriction balances itself out in the end...and i think this system might just bring more players to the game and get them to stay..
Grief PK D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 32	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:32:00 - [22] - Quote +1 - turn this **** off... call me when its done, then I will log back in.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 56	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:33:00 - [23] - Quote Game types. 1. MLT only: Current payout x0.75 2. MLT,STD only: Current Payout x1.00 3. MLT,STD,ADV only: Current Payout x1.33 4. No Restrictions: Current Payout x1.66 SP gain would be the same across the board, to disincentivize AFKers.
stcinla2 Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:12:00 - [24] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Geovexen wrote: gear restriction is lame. matchmaking based on squad matches determined by average SP, then solo players matched with players of relatively matching SP is good. Two players of 1mil sp attack each other, even if one player has a duvolle, you know he has a crap tank, likewise a militia weapon user probably has good equips or armor/shields. what makes matchmaking lame is two things:\ 1. it takes too damn long to get to a match. looks like my grinding for SP is gonna be a chore now. 2. I have to hope and pray i get the gamemode i want instead of it queuing me for the game mode i want. wth CCP? what game in history has ever made you get random gamemodes? all of this is too complicated, yes it looks good on paper but implementing it in a live fire situation wont work basing it on sp disenfranchises whatever sp group is at low pop at any particular time of the day and having matches based on gear will make certain tiers suffer the same low population... just not enough people play right now to have any good matchmaking solution except to have no match making... It would work better than anything we've had so far. Say a MLT player can't find a battle in the MLT group. They just change their search parameters to meet the STD or ADV class as well. Then they won't get Protostomped at least. and what if he picked militia because he cant yet run adv etc etc... then he gets screwed also what if just one piece of gear, say an armor repper is adv and everything else is standard?... its to complicated and puts to much restriction on fittings to be fun then y not rate it at the meta rateing each piece gives
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 718	Posted - 2013.09.04 11:11:00 - [25] - Quote bump


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