Improvise, adapt, overcome! You don't like 1st POV then go to 3rd POV. This crap is hilariously annoying!

You can do the math a million times over and still not get the correct result in-game, CCP has proven that time and time again. Please, i encourage you to go into a match with a miltia forge gun and "test the waters".

Improvise, adapt, overcome! You don't like 1st POV then go to 3rd POV. This crap is hilariously annoying!

How do you know he was MLT? I ran the math - even with 2 10% damage mods, and 12% proficiency (very unlikely), his max damage output is roundabout 1650 per shot. That's before your 10% damage reduction from FG vs Shields. That would drop the damage to around 1500. If you have passive modifiers, it would go down even further.

More than likely? You were being hit by something more powerful than an MLT FG.

Furthermore, count your blessings. If it was me, i'd be hitting you with about 3.5k or more. You got off light.

thank you 1000x over for actually trying to understand and test what's going on here, instead of trying to say that it's impossible when they haven't probably even played 1.4 for themselves yet, let alone with a militia FG against a dropship.

Serimos, just following up after a few hours of gaming/testing.

I'm going to have to deny... Militia Forge Gun feels about the same as it did previously versus vehicles. I drove off a dropship but couldn't pop it in one of the matches, and it's about as effective against LAVs as it was previously. Sorry, but I can't explain your experience from the Forge Gunners end.

The one weird thing I noticed? It only takes 3 MLT FG shots to pop a stationary missile/blaster/rail turret now. I noticed tanks were having an easier time blowing them up as well. I wonder if CCP reduced the life on those things for some reason...

Stopped reading at 10% dmg reduction from forge vs shield.

109% efficiency.

That is all.

CCP, this is probably the last nail in the coffin for me as a dropship pilot, and I'm here to let you know why. In my first match that i had to wait over 8 minutes for (the estimated wait time was 1:20) the match i got into was Ashland domination, as it appears that many others are being shuffled into that match. Except when I finally got into the match, there were only 4 people on each side, for the entire game, and one was a forge-gunner.

He had a militia forge which originally does absolutely nothing to my proto ADS with 4,062 shields, except this time, with each shot he took out 2,000 shield instantly. That's right, even a militia forge gun can now 3-shot a proto ADS with 4 ward shield extenders. Not only that, but in your view of "fixing a camera", that means that all you do is re-position the source point to the front of the dropship so we can sort of look downwards but still not really, and the camera swings violently when you try to aim at things. And with this camera now in the front, if you try to look at your back, the entire camera is taken up by the back of the dropship and you can't see anything. With this new camera, it makes shooting ground units around 100x more difficult in an Assault Dropship. It used to be fairly easy and you could lead targets, etc, but now this new camera jerks your riticule when you try to aim ahead, causing the turret aim to go in an un-wanted direction, almost like how side-gunners get affected by looking down.

I can't even see my entire dropship at all in 3rd person anymore. You have royally ****** up with this update CCP, the wait time will deter any potential new members you could get, along with the fact that there are only very few people in each match, and it's not because people aren't online either, there are many people on. Good luck surviving the massive wipe that will be known as the Dust Ice-age.

Please understand that he is talking about 3rd person. Half of my flying was seeing where my engines were pointed and my angle of attack. I can no longer see either of these making flying very difficult. Further more it makes it much harder to actually see forge or rail tanks, we can no longer see very well around our dropships and since we have to turn the whole dropship in order to see anything further decreasing our field of view makes us less effective. Assault dropships aren't cheap.

Serimos is a veteran pilot, one of the best I've seen. If he is this passionate about this change its for good reason and you might give him a little credit. Normally I'm all for adapt over come survive, though this change makes flying the dropship a huge chore and forcing veteran pilots like me and serimos to completely relearn how to fly. If they had kept the camera the same I would be adapting. Going back to flight school after months of getting good at flying is very painful, especially because we know we won't be nearly as effective as we were with the other camera view. That hurts a lot......

I guess I misseed that. I apologise to everyone. I don't do dropships 1. because they are so mother loving expensive and 2. because they suck to fly. Whenever I see a complaint on here my mind automatically shuts off and I go into 'Tell this jerkoff to go to hell' mode because I do know that the DEVs are not trying to screw us over and I do know how hard it is to scroll through seemingly endless lines of code to find a mistake. So again, I apologise for pissing anyone off.

Were you using Caldari Vehicles? Forgeguns do more damage against shields and stack it with a damage modifier a few times (2 mods). Bam! 40 percent of extra damage.

Ugh, why are people so confused on this matter.

Forge Guns have a 10% damage reduction to shields. They are a hybrid weapon. They are not a plasma weapon.

The only AV weapon that has a damage increase to shields is the Plasma Cannon.

Please get your information correct.

ARs get 10% bonus against shields, and a reduction against armour. They're a hybrid weapon (based on Blaster tech).

Sniper Rifles get a 10% bonus against shields, and a reduction against armour. They're hybrid weapons (Railgun).

CCP have stated the Plasma Cannon is a hybrid weapon as well.

Blaster turrets and Railgun turrets on tanks are hybrid weapons, and deal extra damage to shields, while Missiles are the only vehicle-mounted weapon that currently has a bonus against armour.

You're the one getting your information wrong.

/sigh

Yes, MY information is wrong.

Aren't you a vet or something Garret? Shouldn't you have known this?

Hybrid - Plasma (Short range)

Shield +10%
Armour -10%

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Assault Rifle
Shotgun
Plasma Cannon
Ion Pistol
Heavy Weapon (TBA)

The first chart in your link, converted into text.


Well played, good sir. Maybe you should try and prove yourself right instead of the other guy next time you want to win an argument?

EDIT: Also, double "t". Why do people always spell my name wrong?

Ugh, why are people so confused on this matter.

Forge Guns have a 10% damage reduction to shields. They are a hybrid weapon. They are not a plasma weapon.

The only AV weapon that has a damage increase to shields is the Plasma Cannon.

Please get your information correct.

Edit - There has been no change with the Forge Gun, other then the installation thing which i myself experienced more then once.

But seeing as how I've witnessed the installation not popping on the 2nd hit with both my assault and breach variants (the Breach 2 shots installations regardless of Prof lvl), its safe to assume its an installation issue.

ARs get 10% bonus against shields, and a reduction against armour. They're a hybrid weapon (based on Blaster tech).

Sniper Rifles get a 10% bonus against shields, and a reduction against armour. They're hybrid weapons (Railgun).

CCP have stated the Plasma Cannon is a hybrid weapon as well.

Blaster turrets and Railgun turrets on tanks are hybrid weapons, and deal extra damage to shields, while Missiles are the only vehicle-mounted weapon that currently has a bonus against armour.

You're the one getting your information wrong.

That's fine. I'd written something pretty rude to you thinking you honestly considered this camera change to be an item for people to "Adapt" to. Then after some consideration assumed you either had to have no clue what you were talking about or were just a terrible troll.


Thanks for coming around. This camera change really eliminated so many things we used to be able to do.
Even flying in a squad of 6 dropships for fun, feeding forge gunners ISK, now none of us could do that because we'd all be smashing into each other with no field of vision. Essentially now we have two versions of first person and no third.

Same problem affects interior flying and I really don't think this helped our front aiming either