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pseudosnipre
DUST University
Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:23:00 -
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Flanked a caldari sniper last round and stood next to him long enough to confirm that he didn't see me on tacnet...woohoo! Then I shot him in the side of the head from 1m away with my k5 shotgun! It was glorious, the white splash effect confirming the contact was everywhere on my screen at that range. Very gratifying.
But there he remained. Looking down his scope, oblivious to my presence, and still alive despite the apparent money-shot he had received to the cheek. So I shot him again, this time center of mass... No glorious splash from his shields, however his overhead indicators showed that I'd depleted his shields by 10%...
At this point he stands and sprints forward as if suddenly aware of my trouser-snake approaching his ear hole. Thankfully, his departure prompted detection to kick-in and I cut the ho loose like an old school vet. um, i mean, i killed his clone with my shotgun.
Anyone else having shotgun issues w/ 1.4? Thank you.
o7 pseudo |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
790
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:32:00 -
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Just flanked a hostile Uplink.
It had no idea I was standing right on top of it! Scout Stealth!
Anyhow, my first and second Shotgun blast missed the Uplink.
But I blew the heck out of it with my third shot.
Felt pretty good after taking out that Uplink,
up until I lost a CQC fight with a Medium/AR I had flanked. |
trooper7041
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
8
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:41:00 -
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I think there is a lag issue, or maybe an even bigger issue with hit detection.
95% of the time, I will fire my shotgun into someones face and do 0 dmg. The opponent will continue to run for another .5 seconds and then the kill finally registers. Most of the time I fire 2 shots when the first one does the trick. Very annoying for people who use the Breach variants.
It's great and all that the game is getting better at detecting hits, but this is now far worse. |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
794
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:52:00 -
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^ True Uplink Story, but probably not helpful in debugging ...
DS3, N.America, (too) expensive internet speed, aim-assist on, playmode Skirm, 3 matches running CRG:
- Damage delivery was delayed for the shots-on-target which registered.
- Shots-on-target missed 50% of the time or higher. Shots-off-target occasionally hit.
- Shots-on-target dealt damage erratically. Sometimes scratched, sometimes killed.
Hope this helps. I'll add to my observations once I've played a few more matches. My sample's admittedly too small at the moment to assert claims with any "authority" but something's definitely still wrong with the Shotgun.
- Shotty GoBang |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
794
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:55:00 -
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trooper7041 wrote:I think there is a lag issue, or maybe an even bigger issue with hit detection.
95% of the time, I will fire my shotgun into someones face and do 0 dmg. The opponent will continue to run for another .5 seconds and then the kill finally registers. Most of the time I fire 2 shots when the first one does the trick. Very annoying for people who use the Breach variants.
It's great and all that the game is getting better at detecting hits, but this is now far worse.
Same exact observation. About a half-second delay between shot and damage receipt. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
206
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:28:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:trooper7041 wrote:I think there is a lag issue, or maybe an even bigger issue with hit detection.
95% of the time, I will fire my shotgun into someones face and do 0 dmg. The opponent will continue to run for another .5 seconds and then the kill finally registers. Most of the time I fire 2 shots when the first one does the trick. Very annoying for people who use the Breach variants.
It's great and all that the game is getting better at detecting hits, but this is now far worse. Same exact observation. About a half-second delay between shot and damage receipt.
^ This. I still managed to go 19/13, so I'm hitting targets but I'm also dying much, much more in tight, CQC fights because I have no idea who is a kill and who just ate a phantom hit.
Pretty bummed out. I know it's patch day but it really shouldn't be like this for a game. I've been a patient supporter of the game but after taking a two week break to prepare for 1.4 and then this coupled with hardly being able to queue for a match is enough to make me want to uninstall it. Dislike :( |
DTOracle
The Surrogates Of War
120
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:33:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:^ True Uplink Story, but probably not helpful in debugging ... DS3, N.America, (too) expensive internet speed, aim-assist on, playmode Skirm, 3 matches running CRG: - Damage delivery was delayed for the shots-on-target which registered.
- Shots-on-target missed 50% of the time or higher. Shots-off-target occasionally hit.
- Shots-on-target dealt damage erratically. Sometimes scratched, sometimes killed.
Hope this helps. I'll add to my observations once I've played a few more matches. My sample's admittedly too small at the moment to assert claims with any "authority" but something's definitely still wrong with the Shotgun. - Shotty GoBang
Pretty much the same experience i'm having. The only difference is that I use a mouse for aiming. |
Morathi III
Red Star.
EoN.
215
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:48:00 -
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*sight*  |
Sports Dude
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
237
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:56:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:^ True Uplink Story, but probably not helpful in debugging ... DS3, N.America, (too) expensive internet speed, aim-assist on, playmode Skirm, 3 matches running CRG: - Damage delivery was delayed for the shots-on-target which registered.
- Shots-on-target missed 50% of the time or higher. Shots-off-target occasionally hit.
- Shots-on-target dealt damage erratically. Sometimes scratched, sometimes killed.
Hope this helps. I'll add to my observations once I've played a few more matches. My sample's admittedly too small at the moment to assert claims with any "authority" but something's definitely still wrong with the Shotgun. - Shotty GoBang
feel the same way, ended up switching to a AR in the PC I was in haha |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
21
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Posted - 2013.09.03 16:02:00 -
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Had some pretty large delays with the shotty. Shot 3 guys in a row, I die and 2-5 seconds later the kill feed lights up a nice triple...... not worth losing 100 k XD. It also on 2 occasions seemed the guy I shot lagged out, he would continue to walk forward even though im standing there in his face. Then just fall over. |
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Stile451
Red Star.
EoN.
198
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Posted - 2013.09.03 16:17:00 -
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In order to help CCP bug hunt at least say if you had aim assist on and what controls you are using as both were changed this patch.
Similar issue here. I was standing point blank behind and a little to the side of a sniper, lined up the head shot, and had to shoot him 5 times in order to kill him. The first shot took a little bit of shields off of him, the next 3 did nothing, the final shot killed him.
Using DS3, aim assist on(to test, usually use the mouse). |
pseudosnipre
DUST University
Ivy League
143
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Posted - 2013.09.03 16:44:00 -
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uplinks take 3x shotgun blasts
500+ms delay on sg kills
I didnt think sg could get broke worse...
Seriously? |
Spec Ops Cipher
Seraphim Initiative..
450
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Posted - 2013.09.03 16:48:00 -
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Uk,
30 ping
20mb/s download
12mb/s upload
Shotgun unreliable at best. Still get shield damage indicators on most shots, damage is applied sporadically, in random bursts. |
Cass Caul
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:01:00 -
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New Scan changes made my favorite suit relevant: Scout gk.0, 1x Complex Precision Enhancer, CreoDron Shotgun, Core Flaylock, M1 Grenade, Compact Nanohive, 3x Complex Range Enhancers, 1x Complex Profile Dampener*
Sneaking up on people (albeit far slower than my other suits) and blasting them with the shotgun. I went 19/3 my first match. . . All my shots hit, unless they were inside a null cannon, but there was a massive time delay between hitting the target and them taking damage.
Second match, got like 1500 WPs solo, but went like 5/9. Direct hits, when we're both standing still, we doing 0 damage, maybe a total of 42. 1 pellet of the entire shotgun round hit. that was it.
Haven't tried turning aim assist off, but I refuse to play the game until they fix matchmaking |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
808
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:06:00 -
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Least Likely Dev Response, Ever:
We've hotfixed the Shotgun, though on a temporary basis. We've added a dozen pellets to each blast to so it'll function as intended while we investigate the matter further. Of course, this buff will have to be rolled back once we've had time to isolate and fix the root cause.
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
1274
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:13:00 -
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We'll look into this. If anyone has video of this, you would become QA's new best friend.
CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
@CCP_Logibro |
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Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:26:00 -
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trooper7041 wrote:I think there is a lag issue, or maybe an even bigger issue with hit detection.
95% of the time, I will fire my shotgun into someones face and do 0 dmg. The opponent will continue to run for another .5 seconds and then the kill finally registers. Most of the time I fire 2 shots when the first one does the trick. Very annoying for people who use the Breach variants.
It's great and all that the game is getting better at detecting hits, but this is now far worse.
Exactly this. I shoot people, 0-10 % damage, I shoot again, nothing happens, and while I'm realoading or moving that other person just dies ... I thought that some ally killed them but I get the 50 SP everytime.
VERY strange!
By the power invested in me through honeyed lamb, fix this CCP Logibro ;P |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:28:00 -
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Ha, when I typed this I didnt see that LogiBro had already reacted. Must have been the lamb. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
230
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:36:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Flanked a caldari sniper last round and stood next to him long enough to confirm that he didn't see me on tacnet...woohoo! Then I shot him in the side of the head from 1m away with my k5 shotgun! It was glorious, the white splash effect confirming the contact was everywhere on my screen at that range. Very gratifying.
But there he remained. Looking down his scope, oblivious to my presence, and still alive despite the apparent money-shot he had received to the cheek. So I shot him again, this time center of mass... No glorious splash from his shields, however his overhead indicators showed that I'd depleted his shields by 10%...
At this point he stands and sprints forward as if suddenly aware of my trouser-snake approaching his ear hole. Thankfully, his departure prompted detection to kick-in and I cut the ho loose like an old school vet. um, i mean, i killed his clone with my shotgun.
Anyone else having shotgun issues w/ 1.4? Thank you.
o7 pseudo
Yes it seems as if half the shots are never actually fired at all, the other half shoot off to one side or something lol.
I shot a heavy in the back point blank 8 times, depleted my clip and never killed him. I assure you the first 3-4 shots were into a motionless heavies back and did 0 damage. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
230
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:37:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:We'll look into this. If anyone has video of this, you would become QA's new best friend.
I can tell you strafing and shooting seems to help, also it seems like the bullets come out at some strange angle from the gun or something is messed up. |
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CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
230
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:45:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:^ True Uplink Story, but probably not helpful in debugging ... DS3, N.America, (too) expensive internet speed, aim-assist on, playmode Skirm, 3 matches running CRG: - Damage delivery was delayed for the shots-on-target which registered.
- Shots-on-target missed 50% of the time or higher. Shots-off-target occasionally hit.
- Shots-on-target dealt damage erratically. Sometimes scratched, sometimes killed.
Hope this helps. I'll add to my observations once I've played a few more matches. My sample's admittedly too small at the moment to assert claims with any "authority" but something's definitely still wrong with the Shotgun. - Shotty GoBang
I underlined and put into bold the most astonishing bit! I had that happen more than once today. |
Lightning xVx
Diamond-Dogs
158
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:46:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:We'll look into this. If anyone has video of this, you would become QA's new best friend.
I wish I could show you what is going on but unfortunately I do not have a recording device or a Cap card to get the footage. But if you want I can give you EVERY detail on my play with it from Chromosome-UPRISING-1.4. |
Zcynx Rivera
S.e.V.e.N.
16
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:53:00 -
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Been using shotguns since closed beta and I have to say they are at their worst. What is up with CCP? Every update brakes the game even more. I came back to see the update thinking the game finally had been put into playable mode, but I guess, like every other patch, is still a huge disappointment. Maybe they will learn to "TEST" a patch before deploying it. Pretty lighting and fixing a non broken menu was their 2.0gb patch LOL! Good job CCP with your hard work. |
Kato Ymmij
The Exemplars
Top Men.
3
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:58:00 -
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Shotguns only seem to marginally work better when the aim assist is on. Turned it off thinking that would help, hitting things got even harder (loads of hitmarkers, but no damage). Uplinks seem to be the king of strafe. |
pseudosnipre
DUST University
Ivy League
156
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:47:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:We'll look into this. If anyone has video of this, you would become QA's new best friend.
Somebody please bust out their HeroHD, webcam, phone, etc and record this.
You know it would require like 1 match to complete.
Hell, 2M isk to whoever gets a decent montage up:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1255264#post1255264
*applies to first and second video link posted in the above thread. No purchase necessary. Illegal for sale within the continental united states. |
KalOfTheRathi
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
621
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:44:00 -
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Like a dofus I jumped into a scout fit the other night. I don't use shotguns since they broke the Kitten out of them. But this suit had it and I died so quick while not doing any damage to someone in my sights while every single bullet they fired hit me.
And since it appears it is just as bad in 1.4, it is time to ignore shottys once more.
Is fixing shotguns even on the fix it list? |
DottorBestemmia
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:58:00 -
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lol,i cant use my scout becouse my shotgun proto is broken and i dont have another gun -_-,tomorrow i cant play a cb with a corp friend -__________-
emh...ccp play dust? |
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
110
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:12:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:We'll look into this. If anyone has video of this, you would become QA's new best friend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTyBKrJASro |
Atlas Exenthal
mnemonic.
42
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:28:00 -
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THIS. EXACTLY THIS.
At first I thought I was just somehow being terrible, and I was just imagining that I was on target.
So, seconding that the new patch is utterly broken for me.
- Shotgun doesn't register unless I'm hugging a stationary target
- Hell, ANY weapons fire within 50m doesnt register at all, like I'm shooting straight through the targets
CQB is a total crapshoot and I can't hit ANYTHING because of the drops in framerate and the nonexistent hit detection.
It's pretty much made the game unplayable because I can't hit anything anymore.
I'm in Ontario, Canada.
On a related note, the new matchmaking is just as stupid.
If I opt out of that **** domination mode, I shouldn't be getting thrown into them anyway. |
CoalsHeart Stonehand
Gressa Pressa Canari
1
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:15:00 -
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I'm having similar issues as everyone else. I run up to guys and hit them point blank without them knowing i'm there and they take no damage yet when they get further away for some reason I could be a little off and it's like I head shotted them and they fall from one shot. I snuck up on a heavy who was firing at someone else and started shooting him in the back 3 times and he took no damage. He must have heard the noise and started looking around and then I hit him in the face and he died from one hit. This never happens for me. It usually takes 2 face shots or one face shot and one body shot to kill a heavy for me. Not sure what's going on but man I'm dying from there AR's way more than usual and can't even get close to a heavy anymore that isn't engaged. That 2000 rpm is cutting me up real bad now. No jumping and running anymore I'm just dead as soon as they fire at me now. |
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