Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over.

Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs!

but it can't hit anything beyond 40m, accurately, it requires 2 k-2s or u run out of ammo very quickly. it has a huge pg/cpu cost, it has very low ammo count, aand it can't aim up.

It does breaching (CQC) and area denial very well. that is all it does.



will not be nerfed bc it is just as easy to use as the AR

I can get more kills with an AR, but I use the MD because it's fun. Why do you use the AR?

I can go 25-5 with a militia gallente medium frame suit and a exile.

close quarters (deals damage to user)

I use the AR because it augments my role and playstyle. Furthermore, I immensely enjoy 1v1 AR fights.

With that being said, the amount of kills I achieve, in pubs, is based on my performance and not the weapon I use. I have easily gone 25-0 with SMG, AR, TAR, Shoutgun, SR, and SP.... I have also seen Aldin drop 30 bombs in a commando dual Plasma launcher suit. However, PC is a bit different.

The problem with you Cosgar is that your opinions about weapon balance are based solely on Pub matches.

The mass driver isn't goood at:

long range engagements
shooting players above the user
close quarters (deals damage to user)

I use the AR because it augments my role and playstyle. Furthermore, I immensely enjoy 1v1 AR fights.

With that being said, the amount of kills I achieve, in pubs, is based on my performance and not the weapon I use. I have easily gone 25-0 with SMG, AR, TAR, Shoutgun, SR, and SP.... I have also seen Aldin drop 30 bombs in a commando dual Plasma launcher suit. However, PC is a bit different.

The problem with you Cosgar is that your opinions about weapon balance are based solely on Pub matches.

Alright, so I finally decided to get the MD to see if it was the "hardest to use weapon in game" as you claim, and I went 13-4 the first match with it! ITS SO EZ GOD-MODE!!! the second game 22-2 and third 15-7 and I was in a scout suit the entire time so I didn't have the tank to defend against the supposed "lethal" splash and a total of 3 of my deaths came from it while fighting at SG range, and I easily fought at 50M, it was a little difficult at first but then I learned how to aim better and started killing most people in 3 shots!


I often missed (sometimes WAYYYYYYYYY OFF!) and still hit so I don't see you're downsides you say, true the AR deals more DPS over time but the MD has alpha DMG and is near-impossible to miss so I won most firefights by strafing and jumping

BTW, I'm specced up to EX-05 I'm a good aim often getting near-direct hits and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED BUFFED, THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN THE AR! and no, I am not saying this needs to be weaker than the AR, but am saying that this needs to be changed to fill it's role better.

Well crap. If the Mass Driver is EZ-Mode & the Assault Rifles are EZ-Mode that sounds pretty mathematically balanced to me. Good job CCP.

Now buff everything else.

The Exile is OP to begin with. It kills people faster than a Duvolle does.

Its about 2:30am, so I am not gonna waste my time explaining why it is better to balance down from hardcore to casual.

Maybe tomorrow, but not tonight

Alright, so I finally decided to get the MD to see if it was the "hardest to use weapon in game" as you claim, and I went 13-4 the first match with it! ITS SO EZ GOD-MODE!!! the second game 22-2 and third 15-7 and I was in a scout suit the entire time so I didn't have the tank to defend against the supposed "lethal" splash and a total of 3 of my deaths came from it while fighting at SG range, and I easily fought at 50M, it was a little difficult at first but then I learned how to aim better and started killing most people in 3 shots!


I often missed (sometimes WAYYYYYYYYY OFF!) and still hit so I don't see you're downsides you say, true the AR deals more DPS over time but the MD has alpha DMG and is near-impossible to miss so I won most firefights by strafing and jumping

BTW, I'm specced up to EX-05 I'm a good aim often getting near-direct hits and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED BUFFED, THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN THE AR! and no, I am not saying this needs to be weaker than the AR, but am saying that this needs to be changed to fill it's role better.

Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over.

Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs!

This quickly became a debate about buff or nerf MD.

I think what annoys ppl is when you can take a weapon that does exactly as it is supposed to do right out of the box and then they add 3 Dam Mods to make it almost wipe you out in one hit and no chance to evade the 2nd inevitable killshot. To my mind, an area denial weapon should (to the opponent) be 'I can't stay here as I'm still taking damage' not 'HIT - WTF - DEAD'

Since when is 120 (142 with damagd mods) to kills to anything more than a scout? A srd caldari frame with no modules takes 3 shots from advanced!!

I also feel obliged to tell you the assault matches your description of a denial weapon, while the std is more aggresive of no you run or you die!! The breach is pure cqc!!

I'm just describing what has happened to me in game. I don't use the weapon. All I know is I get 2 shotted at full health (around 400hp) so i bow to your knowlege on the types

The only way you could 2 shot a medium assuming you run medium, is either you run a gallante and the second shot was trick shotted to get a headshot, or it was direct damage! Although 2 seconds isntmmuch if he has the jukp even with an ar if you notice him, he dead!!

Quite possible - I run a Min Logi most of the time so its like a Gal with less protection. As i say these are the only times I feel the weapon is too much. Other than that its doing exactly as it is supposed to.

I must ask OP did you play solo, or in a six man squad, did you play in proto gear or not, did you play in a public or conquest? You can't just say you picked up a weapon and owned withmit, furthermore you can't use a half arsed example to justify nerfing a weapon, otherwise the forum will degrade into!!

My first time with ar I went 27-4 its op
My first time with sniper I went 18-0 its op
My first time with a tank I went 40-0 its op

Secondly I call your bluff, I seriously doubt your first 3 matches with a new weapon that well!! And why do you need stories to justify your opinion? Is it because the math tells a different story?

Get off your soap box preacher, your game is up!!

I call your bluff pics or it didn't happen. Sounds like self inflating ego bullshit to me.

throw a grenade on the floor and stand 5 meters away.

AR = Point, click, win (often 5+ seconds due to hit detection)

MD = click, click, click, win (less than 5 seconds, no aim required).

fixed that for you

I only use STD nanohives, and even though beyond 50M it doesn't hit accurately It's splash is so big without falloff (you know like GRENADES have!) it'll deal full splash if you get it within 5 meters of the target... and I can fit it on my scout with 2 proto kin kats, ADV EXO MD, STD nanohive, and ADV shield extender.


[EDIT] Apparently on my first MD fit I jumped all the weaknesses of the MD... lol.

Alright, so I finally decided to get the MD to see if it was the "hardest to use weapon in game" as you claim, and I went 13-4 the first match with it! ITS SO EZ GOD-MODE!!! the second game 22-2 and third 15-7 and I was in a scout suit the entire time so I didn't have the tank to defend against the supposed "lethal" splash and a total of 3 of my deaths came from it while fighting at SG range, and I easily fought at 50M, it was a little difficult at first but then I learned how to aim better and started killing most people in 3 shots!


I often missed (sometimes WAYYYYYYYYY OFF!) and still hit so I don't see you're downsides you say, true the AR deals more DPS over time but the MD has alpha DMG and is near-impossible to miss so I won most firefights by strafing and jumping

BTW, I'm specced up to EX-05 I'm a good aim often getting near-direct hits and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED BUFFED, THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN THE AR! and no, I am not saying this needs to be weaker than the AR, but am saying that this needs to be changed to fill it's role better.

No I fixed it for you!!

Could do the same with a Ar.Whats your point?Now Ars have an aimbot(sorry I mean aim assist) so there no reason to cry anymore.Welcome Ar514 non-Ars will not be tolerated!

I think what annoys ppl is when you can take a weapon that does exactly as it is supposed to do right out of the box and then they add 3 Dam Mods to make it almost wipe you out in one hit and no chance to evade the 2nd inevitable killshot. To my mind, an area denial weapon should (to the opponent) be 'I can't stay here as I'm still taking damage' not 'HIT - WTF - DEAD'

ITS AN AIM BOT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOoo

I only use STD nanohives, and even though beyond 50M it doesn't hit accurately It's splash is so big without falloff (you know like GRENADES have!) it'll deal full splash if you get it within 5 meters of the target... and I can fit it on my scout with 2 proto kin kats, ADV EXO MD, STD nanohive, and ADV shield extender.


[EDIT] Apparently on my first MD fit I jumped all the weaknesses of the MD... lol.

LMFAO who told you grenades have fall off?

Point and shoot, Aim Assisted, ARs that don't take an effectiveness nerf in any situation inside 35 meters takes skill? LOL

The QQ is old especially, with Armor buff, detection buff and lolAA. You need to get better.

....The mass driver isn't goood at:
close quarters (deals damage to user)