DUST Search - To MD users, I have food for thought for you.

Lightning Bolt2 wrote:

Alright, so I finally decided to get the MD to see if it was the "hardest to use weapon in game" as you claim, and I went 13-4 the first match with it! ITS SO EZ GOD-MODE!!! the second game 22-2 and third 15-7 and I was in a scout suit the entire time so I didn't have the tank to defend against the supposed "lethal" splash and a total of 3 of my deaths came from it while fighting at SG range, and I easily fought at 50M, it was a little difficult at first but then I learned how to aim better and started killing most people in 3 shots!

I often missed (sometimes WAYYYYYYYYY OFF!) and still hit so I don't see you're downsides you say, true the AR deals more DPS over time but the MD has alpha DMG and is near-impossible to miss so I won most firefights by strafing and jumping

BTW, I'm specced up to EX-05 I'm a good aim often getting near-direct hits and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED BUFFED, THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN THE AR! and no, I am not saying this needs to be weaker than the AR, but am saying that this needs to be changed to fill it's role better.

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Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs Abandon PlayGrounds 142	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:45:00 - [1] - Quote Alright, so I finally decided to get the MD to see if it was the "hardest to use weapon in game" as you claim, and I went 13-4 the first match with it! ITS SO EZ GOD-MODE!!! the second game 22-2 and third 15-7 and I was in a scout suit the entire time so I didn't have the tank to defend against the supposed "lethal" splash and a total of 3 of my deaths came from it while fighting at SG range, and I easily fought at 50M, it was a little difficult at first but then I learned how to aim better and started killing most people in 3 shots! I often missed (sometimes WAYYYYYYYYY OFF!) and still hit so I don't see you're downsides you say, true the AR deals more DPS over time but the MD has alpha DMG and is near-impossible to miss so I won most firefights by strafing and jumping BTW, I'm specced up to EX-05 I'm a good aim often getting near-direct hits and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED BUFFED, THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN THE AR! and no, I am not saying this needs to be weaker than the AR, but am saying that this needs to be changed to fill it's role better.
Cosgar ParagonX 4662	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:49:00 - [2] - Quote sigh
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 100	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:55:00 - [3] - Quote >Can't miss >Takes Skill
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 815	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:57:00 - [4] - Quote Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over. Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs!
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1312	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:57:00 - [5] - Quote but it can't hit anything beyond 40m, accurately, it requires 2 k-2s or u run out of ammo very quickly. it has a huge pg/cpu cost, it has very low ammo count, aand it can't aim up. It does breaching (CQC) and area denial very well. that is all it does. will not be nerfed bc it is just as easy to use as the AR
Cosgar ParagonX 4663	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:00:00 - [6] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over. Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs! I can get more kills with an AR, but I use the MD because it's fun. Why do you use the AR?
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs Abandon PlayGrounds 142	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:01:00 - [7] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: but it can't hit anything beyond 40m, accurately, it requires 2 k-2s or u run out of ammo very quickly. it has a huge pg/cpu cost, it has very low ammo count, aand it can't aim up. It does breaching (CQC) and area denial very well. that is all it does. will not be nerfed bc it is just as easy to use as the AR I only use STD nanohives, and even though beyond 50M it doesn't hit accurately It's splash is so big without falloff (you know like GRENADES have!) it'll deal full splash if you get it within 5 meters of the target... and I can fit it on my scout with 2 proto kin kats, ADV EXO MD, STD nanohive, and ADV shield extender. [EDIT] Apparently on my first MD fit I jumped all the weaknesses of the MD... lol.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 337	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:07:00 - [8] - Quote Well crap. If the Mass Driver is EZ-Mode & the Assault Rifles are EZ-Mode that sounds pretty mathematically balanced to me. Good job CCP. Now buff everything else.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 756	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:16:00 - [9] - Quote It's only good because people don't know how to counter it. I've gone against multiple Mass Driver users and know their weaknesses and how to deal with them, so they don't kill me. Most players don't know these secrets, and so they just panic. The mass driver isn't goood at: long range engagements shooting players above the user close quarters (deals damage to user) what the mass driver is good at: shooting into groups shooting players below the user medium range engagements shooting around corners and "area denial" Guess what, there are weapons that are good at the things it's bad at, and there are weapons that don't do as good as the mass driver. There's even weapons that don't require a nanohive like this one does. Also, who cares about kdr? Have you ever though about the fact that you're doing a lot of damage for the final blow to a player, resulting in a kill instead of a kill assist? You are also doing extra damage to armor, the final layer of health a player has before they die. The shock/surprise factor, the fact that other players don't know how to counter it, and all of the above is what gets it kills, not the weapon itself.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:17:00 - [10] - Quote I can go 25-5 with a militia gallente medium frame suit and a exile.

XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 204	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:22:00 - [11] - Quote Fact Bump. MD = OP
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 816	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:24:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over. Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs! I can get more kills with an AR, but I use the MD because it's fun. Why do you use the AR? I use the AR because it augments my role and playstyle. Furthermore, I immensely enjoy 1v1 AR fights. With that being said, the amount of kills I achieve, in pubs, is based on my performance and not the weapon I use. I have easily gone 25-0 with SMG, AR, TAR, Shoutgun, SR, and SP.... I have also seen Aldin drop 30 bombs in a commando dual Plasma launcher suit. However, PC is a bit different. The problem with you Cosgar is that your opinions about weapon balance are based solely on Pub matches.
McFurious TeamPlayers EoN. 331	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:25:00 - [13] - Quote We'll see what happens when 1.4 drops and aim assist returns and aiming gets fixed (hopefully). I think a lot of MD players, especially newbies, are gonna have a real tough time in CQC.
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs Abandon PlayGrounds 142	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:26:00 - [14] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: I can go 25-5 with a militia gallente medium frame suit and a exile. and I can go 26-6 with my PLC, see my point?
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 816	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:26:00 - [15] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: close quarters (deals damage to user) Stopped reading here an laughed
Cosgar ParagonX 4664	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:28:00 - [16] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Cosgar wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over. Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs! I can get more kills with an AR, but I use the MD because it's fun. Why do you use the AR? I use the AR because it augments my role and playstyle. Furthermore, I immensely enjoy 1v1 AR fights. With that being said, the amount of kills I achieve, in pubs, is based on my performance and not the weapon I use. I have easily gone 25-0 with SMG, AR, TAR, Shoutgun, SR, and SP.... I have also seen Aldin drop 30 bombs in a commando dual Plasma launcher suit. However, PC is a bit different. The problem with you Cosgar is that your opinions about weapon balance are based solely on Pub matches. If pub matches didn't make up 90% of the game, this wouldn't be an issue. Even Eon complains about how pointless PC is.
Thumb Green Novashift 371	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:34:00 - [17] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The mass driver isn't goood at: long range engagements shooting players above the user close quarters (deals damage to user) I can agree with the first two but that last one just isn't so (in that it isn't good at it). CQC is where the mass driver performs it's best and if it doesn't that's because the person using it doesn't know what they're doing.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:36:00 - [18] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Cosgar wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over. Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs! I can get more kills with an AR, but I use the MD because it's fun. Why do you use the AR? I use the AR because it augments my role and playstyle. Furthermore, I immensely enjoy 1v1 AR fights. With that being said, the amount of kills I achieve, in pubs, is based on my performance and not the weapon I use. I have easily gone 25-0 with SMG, AR, TAR, Shoutgun, SR, and SP.... I have also seen Aldin drop 30 bombs in a commando dual Plasma launcher suit. However, PC is a bit different. The problem with you Cosgar is that your opinions about weapon balance are based solely on Pub matches. Weapon balance is beeing based on pub matches. Simply cause the mojority of matches are just simply pub matches.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 817	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:39:00 - [19] - Quote Its about 2:30am, so I am not gonna waste my time explaining why it is better to balance down from hardcore to casual. Maybe tomorrow, but not tonight
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1175	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:43:00 - [20] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: Alright, so I finally decided to get the MD to see if it was the "hardest to use weapon in game" as you claim, and I went 13-4 the first match with it! ITS SO EZ GOD-MODE!!! the second game 22-2 and third 15-7 and I was in a scout suit the entire time so I didn't have the tank to defend against the supposed "lethal" splash and a total of 3 of my deaths came from it while fighting at SG range, and I easily fought at 50M, it was a little difficult at first but then I learned how to aim better and started killing most people in 3 shots! I often missed (sometimes WAYYYYYYYYY OFF!) and still hit so I don't see you're downsides you say, true the AR deals more DPS over time but the MD has alpha DMG and is near-impossible to miss so I won most firefights by strafing and jumping BTW, I'm specced up to EX-05 I'm a good aim often getting near-direct hits and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED BUFFED, THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN THE AR! and no, I am not saying this needs to be weaker than the AR, but am saying that this needs to be changed to fill it's role better. And what role would that be? It's only effective for CQC, any longer distance shots are luck and/or because the person had almost no armor left. But AR still wins in both CQC and longer distance shots. AR = Point, click, win (often less than a second for the kill) MD = Point, click, click, click, click, click, win (each click is separated by one second mind you).

Flux Raeder WarRavens League of Infamy 189	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:43:00 - [21] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Well crap. If the Mass Driver is EZ-Mode & the Assault Rifles are EZ-Mode that sounds pretty mathematically balanced to me. Good job CCP. Now buff everything else. Buff sniper-ruffles, I want homing-explosive-atomic bullets, a beer holder and a godmode invisi-shield.
Torneido Achura The Suicide Kingz 20	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:57:00 - [22] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: The Exile is OP to begin with. It kills people faster than a Duvolle does. LMAO Thats a joke, right? Nothing is faster at killing, or more lethal, than a duvolle.. not even the Boeing AH-64 Apache, and now.. thats wacked
Thumb Green Novashift 371	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:11:00 - [23] - Quote The fact that you think I'm joking shows that you've never encountered the Exile in the hands of even just a mediocre player.
Cosgar ParagonX 4667	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:21:00 - [24] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Its about 2:30am, so I am not gonna waste my time explaining why it is better to balance down from hardcore to casual. Maybe tomorrow, but not tonight Fighting games already tried this in the 90's. Kind of why SF4 is the only relevant thing out right now.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1247	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:25:00 - [25] - Quote We need a better scope. The current MD scope is redundant. Perhaps remove the current on-screen HUD reticle (no aiming reticle) and leave MD users with only the scope for fine aiming. As an MD user I'd be fine with that, only if forge guns lose their reticle too though. And my cunning plan to make dropships rule the skies comes one step closer to completion.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1362	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:27:00 - [26] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: Alright, so I finally decided to get the MD to see if it was the "hardest to use weapon in game" as you claim, and I went 13-4 the first match with it! ITS SO EZ GOD-MODE!!! the second game 22-2 and third 15-7 and I was in a scout suit the entire time so I didn't have the tank to defend against the supposed "lethal" splash and a total of 3 of my deaths came from it while fighting at SG range, and I easily fought at 50M, it was a little difficult at first but then I learned how to aim better and started killing most people in 3 shots! I often missed (sometimes WAYYYYYYYYY OFF!) and still hit so I don't see you're downsides you say, true the AR deals more DPS over time but the MD has alpha DMG and is near-impossible to miss so I won most firefights by strafing and jumping BTW, I'm specced up to EX-05 I'm a good aim often getting near-direct hits and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED BUFFED, THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN THE AR! and no, I am not saying this needs to be weaker than the AR, but am saying that this needs to be changed to fill it's role better. "MD is easy mode, but I'm not saying it should be better than the AR." Trolls be trollin'.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 53	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:28:00 - [27] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Watch out! Take aways someones crutch and they might fall over. Cosgar might become more of a Non-factor in Pubs! Ha!
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 66	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:28:00 - [28] - Quote I must ask OP did you play solo, or in a six man squad, did you play in proto gear or not, did you play in a public or solo? You can't just say you picked up a weapon and owned withmit, furthermore you can't use a half arsed example to justify nerfing a weapon, otherwise the forum will degrade into!! My first time with ar I went 27-4 its op My first time with sniper I went 18-0 its op My first time with a tank I went 40-0 its op Secondly I call your bluff, I seriously doubt your first 3 matches with a new weapon that well!! And why do you need stories to justify your opinion? Is it because the math tells a different story? Get off your soap box preacher, your game is up!!
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs Abandon PlayGrounds 142	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:28:00 - [29] - Quote This quickly became a debate about buff or nerf MD.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 214	Posted - 2013.09.03 07:30:00 - [30] - Quote I think what annoys ppl is when you can take a weapon that does exactly as it is supposed to do right out of the box and then they add 3 Dam Mods to make it almost wipe you out in one hit and no chance to evade the 2nd inevitable killshot. To my mind, an area denial weapon should (to the opponent) be 'I can't stay here as I'm still taking damage' not 'HIT - WTF - DEAD'



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