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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
410
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:30:00 -
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Recognizer XIII wrote:mini rehak wrote:You guys just don't give up do you. CCP will NOT give you another respec EVER. If you speced into something you don't like anymore too bad HTFU. Take your head out of your arse and realise that this .. is a GAME ... Just because your some spotty arsed kid who sleeps with the light on and only has 'friends' via the internet and has never been touched by a woman so needs something to make him feel like a real boy and resorts to me use sp in game to kill new players .. 'no respecs or they will be able to kill me and then I wont be able to feel important anymore' .. you're pathetic .. i dotn even want a respec but i couldnt care less if other ppl get a respec .. this game is for fun .. if ppl arent happy with what they have then they can easily choose to not play the game .. which plenty have done so its up to you loser .. feel important for a few months more and watch the game be pulled because it is losing money or allow respecs to retain players and hopefully the game will grow over time ? I have no clue what you are talking about. Lol all im reading is insults. Go bother some other guy. |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
78
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:30:00 -
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I do run around in a logi fit every once and a while, It's only a basic Gallente logi but It gets the job done. I have no problem getting to the top of the server with it. Uplinks, hives and injectors with the CRD-9 assault Scrambler. |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
78
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:31:00 -
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Recognizer XIII wrote:mini rehak wrote:You guys just don't give up do you. CCP will NOT give you another respec EVER. If you speced into something you don't like anymore too bad HTFU. Take your head out of your arse and realise that this .. is a GAME ... Just because your some spotty arsed kid who sleeps with the light on and only has 'friends' via the internet and has never been touched by a woman so needs something to make him feel like a real boy and resorts to me use sp in game to kill new players .. 'no respecs or they will be able to kill me and then I wont be able to feel important anymore' .. you're pathetic .. i dotn even want a respec but i couldnt care less if other ppl get a respec .. this game is for fun .. if ppl arent happy with what they have then they can easily choose to not play the game .. which plenty have done so its up to you loser .. feel important for a few months more and watch the game be pulled because it is losing money or allow respecs to retain players and hopefully the game will grow over time ? All i'm going to say is stay in school kid. |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:32:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Im going to resign agai st respecs that dont involve ccp drasticly (i.e. ge changing) changing or removing skills or items beiond or below their original stats etc im against regular respecs as well as purchasable respecs this is supposed to be a persistant shooter whare your choices matter . Yes, this game is supposed to be a persistent shooter in which your actions have consequences. That's what this game was about when it started and it's still about that.
I've noticed since E3 build the player base has gradually grown more whiny and wants everything given to them.
I think the mass of latter people got into this game expecting some casual, simple minded, generic FPS in which everything is handed to them.
This is what New Eden is about, regardless of changes (which I can understand if it's a catastrophic change when something wasn't OP) what choices you make you stick with. Don't make hasty decisions, without thinking, know that different suits and defenses have different playstyles that you can't play the exact same way. I can't tell you how many shield tankers try to operate their Gunlogis like a Madrugar and throw a pissy fit when they get blown up.
This game requires some cognitive faculties, which I know scares, and repels a lot of the FPS player base. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
840
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:33:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Auld Syne wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Auld Syne wrote:I'd love to see a list of people that say no. Guess what? we will still get what we want. The same way you tryhard nerf fiends get what you want is the same way we will all get our respecs. Don't spec into things you know are broken. That's a pretty basic concept for anyone with sense. I specced into amarr logi and scram rifle. I HATE BOTH OF THEM! So yea how is that op or broken? Yeah, tried using the same set up last week...didn't like it. So I only lost a few suits and it didn't cost me any SP. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
410
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:35:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Auld Syne wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Auld Syne wrote:I'd love to see a list of people that say no. Guess what? we will still get what we want. The same way you tryhard nerf fiends get what you want is the same way we will all get our respecs. Don't spec into things you know are broken. That's a pretty basic concept for anyone with sense. I specced into amarr logi and scram rifle. I HATE BOTH OF THEM! So yea how is that op or broken? Yeah, tried using the same set up last week...didn't like it. So I only lost a few suits and it didn't cost me any SP. How the hell did it not cost you any sp? you have to use sp for the scram rifle and it cost a crap ton of sp to get the amarr logi. unless of course your one of those people who spends real money on consumable items |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5984
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:35:00 -
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Auld Syne wrote:This game requires some cognitive faculties, which I know scares, and repels a lot of the FPS player base. Actually it really doesn't.
Builds are very very basic, and don't require too much thought. The only thing required is the patience to sit through however many matches it takes you to grind out enough SP for that next point. (been playing since May '12)
Just because you call a goose a swan does not make it so. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
410
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:37:00 -
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mini rehak wrote: I do run around in a logi fit every once and a while, It's only a basic Gallente logi but It gets the job done. I have no problem getting to the top of the server with it. Uplinks, hives and injectors with the CRD-9 assault Scrambler.
I don't see a hamster in your load out. your doing it wrong |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
79
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:39:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:mini rehak wrote: I do run around in a logi fit every once and a while, It's only a basic Gallente logi but It gets the job done. I have no problem getting to the top of the server with it. Uplinks, hives and injectors with the CRD-9 assault Scrambler.
I don't see a hamster in your load out. your doing it wrong Too mainstream. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
489
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:43:00 -
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Thanks for continuing the respec petition. I just want some answer from CCP.
I'm so bored of my heavy suit. I've been playing a lot with my Caldari suit and assault Scrambler Rifle. As Dust Fiend said my heavy-HMG SP are no longer of use to me. I just want to put all my SP into core skills and play with different dropsuits, I don't even care about proto.
-XOXO |
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
411
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:43:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:mini rehak wrote: I do run around in a logi fit every once and a while, It's only a basic Gallente logi but It gets the job done. I have no problem getting to the top of the server with it. Uplinks, hives and injectors with the CRD-9 assault Scrambler.
I don't see a hamster in your load out. your doing it wrong Too mainstream. Listen man I apologize about that out burst. Im just sick and tired of this game shoving me around. You need to put a hamster in that load out. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
840
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:44:00 -
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Yup, bought ten suits and always had 1 level into scrambler rifles from when they first hit(I wanted to test before spec-ing into it. It wasn't for me)
So it cost me a few AUR and I didn't like the suit. It didn't feel that different from my assault suit. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
411
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:44:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Thanks for continuing the respec petition. I just want some answer from CCP.
I'm so bored of my heavy suit. I've been playing a lot with my Caldari suit and assault Scrambler Rifle. As Dust Fiend said my heavy-HMG SP are no longer of use to me. I just want to put all my SP into core skills and play with different dropsuits, I don't even care about proto.
-XOXO This is why I wish I never went proto on ANYTHING! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3398
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:48:00 -
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Quoting what I said in the original thread here:
Garrett Blacknova wrote:I like how Sloth posted "Rejected" and still made it to the list of players who signed.
Also, no more respecs.
There is potential for case-by-case refunds of small portions of a player's SP in certain situations. LIke when a new skill is released with an incorrect description (Vehicle Engineering, for example), or when a skill is changed significantly enough to alter the entire dynamic of how a certain role is played. When new racial AR variants come out, there should be an "opt in" respec for people with AR skills. The same goes for Heavy suits, and Scouts.
But a full respec where all SP is refunded? Nope. And certainly not for legitimate "not working as intended" nerfs or buffs being applied. And here's the source for my first statement: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1074474#post1074474
Sloth9230 wrote:Rejected. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5989
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:49:00 -
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I'd rather have an SP system that allows you to grow into it as it grows with you, rather than a heap of random skills that only apply to from time to time, assuming you never ever once change your mind. |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
79
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:50:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Thanks for continuing the respec petition. I just want some answer from CCP.
I'm so bored of my heavy suit. I've been playing a lot with my Caldari suit and assault Scrambler Rifle. As Dust Fiend said my heavy-HMG SP are no longer of use to me. I just want to put all my SP into core skills and play with different dropsuits, I don't even care about proto.
-XOXO Why don't you just keep keep your heavy/hmg and just start skilling into core skills/dropsuits? I have a decent amount of skills in the AR but I don't use it anymore. I don't want to get rid of it because I might want to use it a few months down the line. What if you get your respec and a month later your like "damn I want my hmg back" so you go and ask for another respec. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
87
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:52:00 -
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Signed
Maybe you should put this in Feedback/Requests next week? |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Auld Syne wrote:This game requires some cognitive faculties, which I know scares, and repels a lot of the FPS player base. Actually it really doesn't. Builds are very very basic, and don't require too much thought. The only thing required is the patience to sit through however many matches it takes you to grind out enough SP for that next point. (been playing since May '12) Just because you call a goose a swan does not make it so. It requires thought in that you have to think about about opportunity cost when investing your SP. That's about it. People spend SP with out caution have no right to complain. Even if you don't use AUR for a neo suit it still doesn't take much SP to get a Basic type 1 suit.
And around 200,000 SP to get a specialized. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
2873
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:53:00 -
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This entire list is flawed, perhaps intentionally so. Look at the very second name on the list - Sloth9230. Look at his post in the thread. It reads 'Rejected'. This is a trend that continues, including some people who didn't even post in the thread - Cat Merc, for instance. It also obviously includes alts - Vethosis, Vesosis, SILVERBACK 01, SILVERBACK 02, SILVERBACK 03... Come on.
Putting the names of the people who reject your idea under your supporters is a really ****** thing to do, as is spamming the names of your alts in the list. That invalidates any fairness in your petition. |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
79
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:53:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:mini rehak wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:mini rehak wrote: I do run around in a logi fit every once and a while, It's only a basic Gallente logi but It gets the job done. I have no problem getting to the top of the server with it. Uplinks, hives and injectors with the CRD-9 assault Scrambler.
I don't see a hamster in your load out. your doing it wrong Too mainstream. Listen man I apologize about that out burst. Im just sick and tired of this game shoving me around. You need to put a hamster in that load out. How bout healy hives? I'll change the fit around when I get on tonight. |
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SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
211
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Posted - 2013.08.31 15:56:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:This entire list is flawed, perhaps intentionally so. Look at the very second name on the list - Sloth9230. Look at his post in the thread. It reads 'Rejected'. This is a trend that continues, including some people who didn't even post in the thread - Cat Merc, for instance. It also obviously includes alts - Vethosis, Vesosis, SILVERBACK 01, SILVERBACK 02, SILVERBACK 03... Come on.
Putting the names of the people who reject your idea under your supporters is a really ****** thing to do, as is spamming the names of your alts in the list. That invalidates any fairness in your petition.
i spoke to cat merc and he wanted it on there.. as for sloth^ the first 100 names are from a thread i didnt do. and they can always message me to remove it |
Spirit Charm
Bhaalgorn Industries
40
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:02:00 -
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Signed |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
236
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:03:00 -
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Auld Syne wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Im going to resign agai st respecs that dont involve ccp drasticly (i.e. ge changing) changing or removing skills or items beiond or below their original stats etc im against regular respecs as well as purchasable respecs this is supposed to be a persistant shooter whare your choices matter . Yes, this game is supposed to be a persistent shooter in which your actions have consequences. That's what this game was about when it started and it's still about that. I've noticed since E3 build the player base has gradually grown more whiny and wants everything given to them. I think the mass of latter people got into this game expecting some casual, simple minded, generic FPS in which everything is handed to them. This is what New Eden is about, regardless of changes (which I can understand if it's a catastrophic change when something wasn't OP) what choices you make you stick with. Don't make hasty decisions, without thinking, know that different suits and defenses have different playstyles that you can't play the exact same way. I can't tell you how many shield tankers try to operate their Gunlogis like a Madrugar and throw a pissy fit when they get blown up. This game requires some cognitive faculties, which I know scares, and repels a lot of the FPS player base. while I agree with you there are cases where the player has done nothing wrong and no matter how well fit the class is it's still not competitive. take the scout (my current class) it's a light armor speedfreik stealthy ninja, however it's not fast or stealthy so making a fit to compliment the strengths of the class is impossible and other classes currently can perform tasks that a scout would specialize in far better that the scout can.
sneaky hacker > armor logi sneaky sniper > armor assault speed assault > shield assault speed hacker > shield logi glass cannon sniper > shield assault
no matter how you fit a scout somebody does your job with higher EHP and more module/equip slots.
should I not be allowed out of that class? it's not my fault that it sucks, I'm not fitting it poorly (all complex mods on a proto suit) yet I struggle to stay positive KDR. yes you could say get gud, but you use a mormal fit on an MLT suit and you'll have about the same EHP, speed, and available slots that I do on a proto fit...
ccp hasn't announced any plans to fix it so why should I be stuck with their mistake? |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
1358
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:04:00 -
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This again? And the list still has many people who actually never supported respecs ever. Just stop it - it's not going to happen. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
2874
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:12:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:This entire list is flawed, perhaps intentionally so. Look at the very second name on the list - Sloth9230. Look at his post in the thread. It reads 'Rejected'. This is a trend that continues, including some people who didn't even post in the thread - Cat Merc, for instance. It also obviously includes alts - Vethosis, Vesosis, SILVERBACK 01, SILVERBACK 02, SILVERBACK 03... Come on.
Putting the names of the people who reject your idea under your supporters is a really ****** thing to do, as is spamming the names of your alts in the list. That invalidates any fairness in your petition. i spoke to cat merc and he wanted it on there.. as for sloth^ the first 100 names are from a thread i didnt do. and they can always message me to remove it I am speaking to Cat Merc RIGHT NOW and he assures me that he never said this.
[17:04:26] Arkenai: Cat, you're 100% certain you didn't support it yeah? [17:04:54] A kitten: 200% [17:04:59] A kitten: I never supported a respec
So you aren't just mistaken, you're deliberately lying. |
Ninjanomyx
TeamPlayers EoN.
294
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:16:00 -
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Duh.... *Signed* |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5989
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:17:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:This again? And the list still has many people who actually never supported respecs ever. Just stop it - it's not going to happen. He who lacks persistence and patience will never find the door, let alone open it. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3399
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:18:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:as for sloth^ the first 100 names are from a thread i didnt do. and they can always message me to remove it Or you could NOT add names until they've actually signed YOUR thread, particularly when people have provided evidence from the other thread to prove that some of the people listed there didn't sign. That would make more sense than copy/pasting a list then arguing that it's ok to knowingly use falsely-added names because you weren't the one who first claimed they said it. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
2875
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:20:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:SILVERBACK 02 wrote:as for sloth^ the first 100 names are from a thread i didnt do. and they can always message me to remove it Or you could NOT add names until they've actually signed YOUR thread, particularly when people have provided evidence from the other thread to prove that some of the people listed there didn't sign. That would make more sense than copy/pasting a list then arguing that it's ok to knowingly use falsely-added names because you weren't the one who first claimed they said it. In addition to this, it's deliberately deceptive to post the names of your alts repeatedly throughout the list with a delay, just to inflate the list. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
431
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Posted - 2013.08.31 16:21:00 -
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sincerely signed. |
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