Prices on vehicles need to come down across the board.

care to elaborate as to why they should?

I want to see how you guys respond to it.

OP is like farming

Kind of a worthless thread with no reasoning behind it

So you can do exactly what with the results ... spam the forum with more duplicate threads ?

Im glad you read the original post fully.......

I'm glad you read the countless other posts discussing at great lengths ALL the points you've laid out and chose to provide feedback in those ... ohh wait you didn't ... you just threw up another useless thread which offers no general subject to vote on, just a bunch of already well discussed ideas to nerf this or buff that and see how many people agree with which ones leading to a conclusion that some people agree with some of them but no definitive 'that's the solution' because they are all individual problems in their own right. Your thread is nothing more than like farming at it's most blatent.

And when someone else offers another statement, you ask them to elaborate when you offer no elaboration on ANY of yours.

Care to elaborate on ANY of your suggestions ?

I started to like things, then I realized these generic statements prove nothing. All of the weapons you speak of need slight tweaks.

AR needs more kick/spread, MD needs about 1m less radius, assault forge gun could use a slightly longer charge time, scrambler is a really good spot.

You said you'd post the votes on an alt, then proceeded to post them on your main... like farming.

Kwiksurveys.com

Like I said above, these posts are neutral on purpose. I want to see PUBLIC OPINION as to what is "OP" and what isn't. Useless? I don't think that, you might, but I don't. I don't offer any "fixes" to "problems" that may or may not be in the game, im just trying to see what people actually think is a problem, and what people don't think is a problem. So I put up 5 weapons in the game that I viewed as controversial, based off what ive read on the forums, and what ive experienced in game.

Your saying this thread is useless because its just a rehash of other threads, I would like you to link me to another thread that allows you to vote in the same way this one does. The whole point of this thread was to sort through the cluster of other threads, and see just exactly how people really think. Or at the very least. To see what they agree with more over the other. Sorry im making your day "that much harder" by cluttering what is apparently YOUR public forum with "useless" threads.

You can see public opinion by trawling through all the other "This is OP, that is UP" threads on the forum ... as CCP devs have to do on a daily basis ... you're just providing them another one to read which will offer no opnion or debate on why they are OP or UP or any constructive feedback on how to balance them, which is what you WILL find in the other threads.

It's relatively easy to see what people think is or isn't a problem by looking at what people are talking about in the first few pages of general discussion of Feedback and Requests sections ... if the Mass Driver is conceived as out of balance there will be threads discussing it ... if the SMG is working well there won't be ... it's relatively simple for CCP do figure out.

a thread that allows you to vote in the same way this one does (because only CCP have ever done them) :
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1193570

It's no MY public forum, I don't own the dust514.com domain ... it belongs to CCP and it is them who has to waste time trawling through it rather than doing things constructive for the game like considering how a double sp event would be played out to maximise sp gain before they made a devblog and forum thread promoting an event which encourages avoiding active sp in ambush matches only. Perhaps the dev who has to read this was the one who would have realised the flaw in the plan, but he was too busy trawling through junk forum threads rehashing the same debates over and over.

If you've got an opinion on something, use the search function and comment on an existing discussion, if there isn't one create one, if your opinion has already been expressed like that post to support it. If these forums had a little less rubbish in them there'd be a few more devs to work on hashing out solutions to these problems and they might get fixed right the first time rather than needing several balance passes to get an acceptable result and leading to more junk whinging whining QQing threads pushing all the proper balance debate threads out beyond page 10.

I think it's time for a break from these forums, nothings gonna change the way people use them. See you after 1.4 and a few thousand likes o7

I quite like this thread.
You didn't manage to stick to the 'non like whoring' character for all of it, but that doesn't matter tbh. Likes are meaningless - if you wanted to do that you could just run a like script on yourself with an alt.

It's nice to see some decent opinions shining through - I was particularly happy to see that everyone thought scrambler rifles are fine.

1.) That thread involves a completely different topic then this one. 2.) it was poorly done. 3.) is that it??? You found 1 thread? and CCP, to my knowledge has only done this ONCE.

Like I said, it is NOT easy to find out what "public opinion is" by just reading page after page of comments. Its not..... Most posts are cluttered with opinions, which more often then not, are biased or based off fallacies. If CCP is looking for ideas to fix problems then I would advise them to look at the "feedback/request" section of the forums because that's where those threads would be located. This thread is in the "general discussion" thread because I wasn't sure where else to put something like this up and im pretty sure I was looking for a general audience to vote in it.

You think that reading dozens and dozens of pages worth of content is more effective then a simple tally system? Well.... if you like having your head spin then sure! But I personally don't like that, so I tried to create an unbiased voting thread to see numerically what people thought.

This is the general discussion thread, there is no obligation for me to write a post that provides "constructive feedback" when, as you've said, theres already dozens and dozens of those threads. Using your logic, there probably isn't a point at making new threads period. Because as you've said, theres likely already a post about it. But despite that people continue making new posts, and im no different. In fact, the only difference between my post and the others is that I presented it a little differently then most others have. But at this point you've hit my BS tolerance. Im done responding or even reading anything you post in my thread because at this point it really has become a waste of time. You can do whatever you want, but ill continue to urge people to vote, because I want to see just how people feel about things. Lol, have fun coming up with some sort of clever counter post if that's what you want to do

I think shotguns are cool.

So people, this thread is very simple, im going to put down a bunch of posts below this one. If you "like" the post then you agree with the message it depicts. So for example, one post will say "Mass drivers need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump that like button. Another post right underneath will say "Mass drivers DONT need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump thatttt like button.

Now..... BEFORE you all call me out for "like whoring" ill switch to another character to put up the votes.

Also, these votes will mostly include controversial weapons sooooo AR's, Snipers, Forge guns, SR's, Mass drivers. Ill look to add more, but depending on how many people post it might be impossible. I will keep a tally at the top so you guys don't have to scroll down or anything. (though the tally wont come unless the thread is semi-popular enough), Other then that, feel free to discuss what you guys thinks needs a balance pass over! Also, if you feel I missed something critical, feel free to voice that in the usual troll like fashion!

(CHANGE OF PLANS, I will be like whoring unfortunately, you cant post faster then once every 5 minutes on a "new" account..... (even though my second character is just as old as this one.......)). Yeah.... I didn't want to do that, but apparently some people like spamming the forums with new accounts? Oh well, ive only ever seen CCP do a vote system like this before and I want to see how you guys respond to it.

SO WHY DID I MAKE THIS THREAD??? (so I don't have to answer everyone that's too narrowminded to imagine why one at a time): One of the biggest problems with these forums is that opinions are always changing, and are never the same from person to person. Each of the posts below are neutral in every way. I don't imply that one answer is more correct then the other, its just a list of 10 statements, and hopefully you choose five of them to agree with. What this does is, it allows us to see just how people feel about the weapon mentioned in the statement, without us having to read often biased/ignorant opinions as to "why" the voter feels the way they do.

So basically its a BS filter. This is a place where, hopefully, people can get an idea of public opinion without having to read more then just a couple of lines. Honestly I wish CCP would put more vote threads up like they did back when they changed the SP system. They put up a few ideas, and depending on how the public looks at it, they act on that idea. Right now its just a cluster of "this game is awful, this is OP" threads. This thread, to my knowledge, is unique because I haven't seen anyone outside of CCP attempt it. You can call me a "like *****" all you want, but trust me..... I don't really care about how many likes I can get when im sitting in the same forums that have people with over 3000...... But if you think I am that shallow, then feel free to NOT vote. That's your choice.

THE CURRENT TALLY (subject to change over time)

AR's NEED A NERF
YES: 8
NO: 14
MAS DRIVERS NEED A NERF
YES: 11
NO: 10
FORGE GUNS NEED A NERF
YES: 21
NO: 8
SCRAMBLER RIFLES NEED A NERF
YES: 0
NO: 26
LOCUS GRENADES NEED A NERF
YES: 11
NO: 11

In addition somebody posted "vehicles need a price reduction" and that has 14 votes too. Now, there isn't a counter vote for it because I didn't post it, but I think that's mildly interesting too.

you fcking **** DONT FCK WITH MY AR you fcking ****..

Of course there are going to be more FG net requests. It makes the most enemies. Think about it. FGs are the main anti-material weapon. Vehicle specialists and infantry are going to say it needs nerfed as opposed to the other weapons only effective vs infantry.

AR: No
MD: Yes
FG: Yes
ScR: No
Grenades: Yes

So people, this thread is very simple, im going to put down a bunch of posts below this one. If you "like" the post then you agree with the message it depicts. So for example, one post will say "Mass drivers need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump that like button. Another post right underneath will say "Mass drivers DONT need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump thatttt like button.

Now..... BEFORE you all call me out for "like whoring" ill switch to another character to put up the votes.

Also, these votes will mostly include controversial weapons sooooo AR's, Snipers, Forge guns, SR's, Mass drivers. Ill look to add more, but depending on how many people post it might be impossible. I will keep a tally at the top so you guys don't have to scroll down or anything. (though the tally wont come unless the thread is semi-popular enough), Other then that, feel free to discuss what you guys thinks needs a balance pass over! Also, if you feel I missed something critical, feel free to voice that in the usual troll like fashion!

(CHANGE OF PLANS, I will be like whoring unfortunately, you cant post faster then once every 5 minutes on a "new" account..... (even though my second character is just as old as this one.......)). Yeah.... I didn't want to do that, but apparently some people like spamming the forums with new accounts? Oh well, ive only ever seen CCP do a vote system like this before and I want to see how you guys respond to it.

SO WHY DID I MAKE THIS THREAD??? (so I don't have to answer everyone that's too narrowminded to imagine why one at a time): One of the biggest problems with these forums is that opinions are always changing, and are never the same from person to person. Each of the posts below are neutral in every way. I don't imply that one answer is more correct then the other, its just a list of 10 statements, and hopefully you choose five of them to agree with. What this does is, it allows us to see just how people feel about the weapon mentioned in the statement, without us having to read often biased/ignorant opinions as to "why" the voter feels the way they do.

So basically its a BS filter. This is a place where, hopefully, people can get an idea of public opinion without having to read more then just a couple of lines. Honestly I wish CCP would put more vote threads up like they did back when they changed the SP system. They put up a few ideas, and depending on how the public looks at it, they act on that idea. Right now its just a cluster of "this game is awful, this is OP" threads. This thread, to my knowledge, is unique because I haven't seen anyone outside of CCP attempt it. You can call me a "like *****" all you want, but trust me..... I don't really care about how many likes I can get when im sitting in the same forums that have people with over 3000...... But if you think I am that shallow, then feel free to NOT vote. That's your choice.

THE CURRENT TALLY (subject to change over time)

AR's NEED A NERF
YES: 8
NO: 14
MAS DRIVERS NEED A NERF
YES: 11
NO: 10
FORGE GUNS NEED A NERF
YES: 21
NO: 8
SCRAMBLER RIFLES NEED A NERF
YES: 0
NO: 26
LOCUS GRENADES NEED A NERF
YES: 11
NO: 11

In addition somebody posted "vehicles need a price reduction" and that has 14 votes too. Now, there isn't a counter vote for it because I didn't post it, but I think that's mildly interesting too.

yes to mass drivers no to everything else/

Behold the ar jerk who wants everything but his ar nerfed

Scrambler Rifles are already getting a nerf...

Hey! Something coming from SVER that I actually like!

MD needs a tweak not a nerf!!

So people, this thread is very simple, im going to put down a bunch of posts below this one. If you "like" the post then you agree with the message it depicts. So for example, one post will say "Mass drivers need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump that like button. Another post right underneath will say "Mass drivers DONT need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump thatttt like button.

Now..... BEFORE you all call me out for "like whoring" ill switch to another character to put up the votes.

Also, these votes will mostly include controversial weapons sooooo AR's, Snipers, Forge guns, SR's, Mass drivers. Ill look to add more, but depending on how many people post it might be impossible. I will keep a tally at the top so you guys don't have to scroll down or anything. (though the tally wont come unless the thread is semi-popular enough), Other then that, feel free to discuss what you guys thinks needs a balance pass over! Also, if you feel I missed something critical, feel free to voice that in the usual troll like fashion!

(CHANGE OF PLANS, I will be like whoring unfortunately, you cant post faster then once every 5 minutes on a "new" account..... (even though my second character is just as old as this one.......)). Yeah.... I didn't want to do that, but apparently some people like spamming the forums with new accounts? Oh well, ive only ever seen CCP do a vote system like this before and I want to see how you guys respond to it.

SO WHY DID I MAKE THIS THREAD??? (so I don't have to answer everyone that's too narrowminded to imagine why one at a time): One of the biggest problems with these forums is that opinions are always changing, and are never the same from person to person. Each of the posts below are neutral in every way. I don't imply that one answer is more correct then the other, its just a list of 10 statements, and hopefully you choose five of them to agree with. What this does is, it allows us to see just how people feel about the weapon mentioned in the statement, without us having to read often biased/ignorant opinions as to "why" the voter feels the way they do.

So basically its a BS filter. This is a place where, hopefully, people can get an idea of public opinion without having to read more then just a couple of lines. Honestly I wish CCP would put more vote threads up like they did back when they changed the SP system. They put up a few ideas, and depending on how the public looks at it, they act on that idea. Right now its just a cluster of "this game is awful, this is OP" threads. This thread, to my knowledge, is unique because I haven't seen anyone outside of CCP attempt it. You can call me a "like *****" all you want, but trust me..... I don't really care about how many likes I can get when im sitting in the same forums that have people with over 3000...... But if you think I am that shallow, then feel free to NOT vote. That's your choice.

THE CURRENT TALLY (subject to change over time)

AR's NEED A NERF
YES: 12
NO: 26
MAS DRIVERS NEED A NERF
YES: 22
NO: 16
FORGE GUNS NEED A NERF
YES: 29
NO: 14
SCRAMBLER RIFLES NEED A NERF
YES: 0
NO: 40
LOCUS GRENADES NEED A NERF
YES: 22
NO: 16

In addition somebody posted "vehicles need a price reduction" and that has 14 votes too. Now, there isn't a counter vote for it because I didn't post it, but I think that's mildly interesting too.

So people, this thread is very simple, im going to put down a bunch of posts below this one. If you "like" the post then you agree with the message it depicts. So for example, one post will say "Mass drivers need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump that like button. Another post right underneath will say "Mass drivers DONT need a nerf" if you agree you'll finger hump thatttt like button.

Now..... BEFORE you all call me out for "like whoring" ill switch to another character to put up the votes.

Also, these votes will mostly include controversial weapons sooooo AR's, Snipers, Forge guns, SR's, Mass drivers. Ill look to add more, but depending on how many people post it might be impossible. I will keep a tally at the top so you guys don't have to scroll down or anything. (though the tally wont come unless the thread is semi-popular enough), Other then that, feel free to discuss what you guys thinks needs a balance pass over! Also, if you feel I missed something critical, feel free to voice that in the usual troll like fashion!

(CHANGE OF PLANS, I will be like whoring unfortunately, you cant post faster then once every 5 minutes on a "new" account..... (even though my second character is just as old as this one.......)). Yeah.... I didn't want to do that, but apparently some people like spamming the forums with new accounts? Oh well, ive only ever seen CCP do a vote system like this before and I want to see how you guys respond to it.

SO WHY DID I MAKE THIS THREAD??? (so I don't have to answer everyone that's too narrowminded to imagine why one at a time): One of the biggest problems with these forums is that opinions are always changing, and are never the same from person to person. Each of the posts below are neutral in every way. I don't imply that one answer is more correct then the other, its just a list of 10 statements, and hopefully you choose five of them to agree with. What this does is, it allows us to see just how people feel about the weapon mentioned in the statement, without us having to read often biased/ignorant opinions as to "why" the voter feels the way they do.

So basically its a BS filter. This is a place where, hopefully, people can get an idea of public opinion without having to read more then just a couple of lines. Honestly I wish CCP would put more vote threads up like they did back when they changed the SP system. They put up a few ideas, and depending on how the public looks at it, they act on that idea. Right now its just a cluster of "this game is awful, this is OP" threads. This thread, to my knowledge, is unique because I haven't seen anyone outside of CCP attempt it. You can call me a "like *****" all you want, but trust me..... I don't really care about how many likes I can get when im sitting in the same forums that have people with over 3000...... But if you think I am that shallow, then feel free to NOT vote. That's your choice.

THE CURRENT TALLY (subject to change over time)

AR's NEED A NERF
YES: 12
NO: 26
MAS DRIVERS NEED A NERF
YES: 22
NO: 16
FORGE GUNS NEED A NERF
YES: 29
NO: 14
SCRAMBLER RIFLES NEED A NERF
YES: 0
NO: 40
LOCUS GRENADES NEED A NERF
YES: 22
NO: 16

In addition somebody posted "vehicles need a price reduction" and that has 14 votes too. Now, there isn't a counter vote for it because I didn't post it, but I think that's mildly interesting too.

This must be clearly an attempt to farm likes, I'm sure of it.


MD is **** vs shields yet more people request a nerf lol...

I vote for Santa Clause.

Don't put words into my mouth !