we get it , you got roadkilled

I'm a vehicle user?

me too , this is may alt

What does that have to do with getting run over?... Or are you blindly leaping to conclusions for no reason?

this:

"There would have to be less slowing on a tank but the idea is that for an LAV it would slow the vehicle by about 70% for a few moments allowing people to actually aim at the driver."

You say you use vehicules but you beg to get r***d unless you a coward tanker mad that he cant kill LAV's with his blaster and the LAV is circleing you making you look like a fool in a tank.

vehicle players would still whine they were OP.

Fact:tankers are the loudest whiners on the forums.
When was the last time you saw somebody who actually uses the laser rifle, whine for a buff? I'm sure since then you've heard at least 20 threads b*tching about tanks being UP.

Funny, when I ran sagaris's with just about everything, I didn't make a single complaint.
I laugh when people say the marauders were so good, fact is they were still overpriced trash.
Every real tanker ran gunnys & maddys same as now. Then this build came along, and they took the PG skill away & gave a 10% inherent damage resistance skill...
Sigh..all the good tankers from back then are either gone now or respecced out of them.

Tanks weren't OP in chrome, the tankers were skilled.
And tanks aren't UP now, tankers are (mostly) bad these days and most skilled vets specced into proto AV, so the tankers are getting raped.
Ah well.

vehicle players would still whine they were OP.

Fact:tankers are the loudest whiners on the forums.
When was the last time you saw somebody who actually uses the laser rifle, whine for a buff? I'm sure since then you've heard at least 20 threads b*tching about tanks being UP.

Funny, when I ran sagaris's with just about everything, I didn't make a single complaint.
I laugh when people say the marauders were so good, fact is they were still overpriced trash.
Every real tanker ran gunnys & maddys same as now. Then this build came along, and they took the PG skill away & gave a 10% inherent damage resistance skill...
Sigh..all the good tankers from back then are either gone now or respecced out of them.

Tanks weren't OP in chrome, the tankers were skilled.
And tanks aren't UP now, tankers are (mostly) bad these days and most skilled vets specced into proto AV, so the tankers are getting raped.
Ah well.

You serious?

Sagaris and Surya were beasts, skill up them bad boys and you got more damage i think aswell as health in general, sure they were expensive in chromo but you needed 2-3 AV to take it down and co-ordinate which frankly they never did anyways hence why they got nerfed

The best counter to a tank, was another tank in them days but with the railguns how they were and dmg mods it was like still 2-3 shot any tank on the field

Sagaris and Surya were beasts, skill up them bad boys and you got more damage i think aswell as health in general, sure they were expensive in chromo but you needed 2-3 AV to take it down and co-ordinate which frankly they never did anyways hence why they got nerfed

The best counter to a tank, was another tank in them days but with the railguns how they were and dmg mods it was like still 2-3 shot any tank on the field

Replace AV grenades with nothing

Use primary AV weapons instead

a Polymer Coagulant could slow down a vehicle and force it to become more vulnerable

sorry i went a little crazy there BUT BELIEVE ME, i know tanks.

The marauders were SLIGHTLY better than STD tanks, since neither had anymore highs(for gunnys) and lows(for maddys)
BUT they had slightly better pg/cpu and slightly better HP than STD tanks. All at the cost of 1.2mil per hull, which made for 3mil per top of the line tank.
Oh and the marauders skill was the only thing that gave them damage bonuses, which was useless for sagaris(missles were even more garbo than now) and only slightly useful for the surya since blasters were practically obsolete because of all the mountain snipeing railguns, and the extra damage really wasn't needed for anti infantry. BUT OMG was the marauders skill overpiced JESUS. millions of sp for that ****.

But the real reason the STD tanks were better was because the best tank fits in the game were fittable on the STD tanks as well as the Marauders.
E.G. On a gunnlogi, fit 1 heavy az ext. 1 heavy shield booster, 1 surge act hardener, 2 ward pas hardeners, 2 high thoroughput stabilisers, and a compressed particle cannon.
You only need 1.2mil per fit, you 1 shot installations & 2 shot RDVs with only 2 damage mods needed.
Same fitting transfers over to ion cannon, but with pg exts. taking the place of damage mods.

And guess what the real point of the sagaris was from blam? With 3pg exts, and XT201 missle launchers you could fit 3 heavy modules, so 2 heavy shield boosters & a heavy shield ext, which was SLIGHTLY better than the fit i mentioned above, but you'd have those garbo missles. Or you could max marauders skill & stack 3 dmg mods and do over 6000 dmg per salvo, but you'd still get raped by a railgun on mountain.

LLAV's are not meant to outperform tanks in terms of Damage... they're Logicstics vehicles.
Oh I get it.. since you realize this would make those cheap LLAV's just as vulnerable as a Tank, the leveled playing field is too much eh?

vehicle players would still whine they were OP.

Fact:tankers are the loudest whiners on the forums.
When was the last time you saw somebody who actually uses the laser rifle, whine for a buff? I'm sure since then you've heard at least 20 threads b*tching about tanks being UP.

Funny, when I ran sagaris's with just about everything, I didn't make a single complaint.
I laugh when people say the marauders were so good, fact is they were still overpriced trash.
Every real tanker ran gunnys & maddys same as now. Then this build came along, and they took the PG skill away & gave a 10% inherent damage resistance skill...
Sigh..all the good tankers from back then are either gone now or respecced out of them.

Tanks weren't OP in chrome, the tankers were skilled.
And tanks aren't UP now, tankers are (mostly) bad these days and most skilled vets specced into proto AV, so the tankers are getting raped.
Ah well.

What you want there is the Stasis Webifier which would be an equipment item (probably operated similar to repair tools) and I imagine they will come at the same time as vehicles countermeasures in order to maintain the balance we've hopefully achieved by then.

The only problem is would these new grenades be effective? Wouldn't a tanker just activate their hardeners as soon as they realize they've been trapped?

vehicle players would still whine they were OP.

Fact:tankers are the loudest whiners on the forums.
When was the last time you saw somebody who actually uses the laser rifle, whine for a buff? I'm sure since then you've heard at least 20 threads b*tching about tanks being UP.

Funny, when I ran sagaris's with just about everything, I didn't make a single complaint.
I laugh when people say the marauders were so good, fact is they were still overpriced trash.
Every real tanker ran gunnys & maddys same as now. Then this build came along, and they took the PG skill away & gave a 10% inherent damage resistance skill...
Sigh..all the good tankers from back then are either gone now or respecced out of them.

Tanks weren't OP in chrome, the tankers were skilled.
And tanks aren't UP now, tankers are (mostly) bad these days and most skilled vets specced into proto AV, so the tankers are getting raped.
Ah well.

AV grenades are being complained about as "free kills" and "extra DPS" against vehicles...j

So why not replace them with an alternative means of harm? Instead of direct damage to the vehicle, a Polymer Coagulant could slow down a vehicle and force it to become more vulnerable to attack.

There would have to be less slowing on a tank, but the idea is that for an LAV it would slow the vehicle by about 70% for a few moments allowing people to actually aim at the driver. If such a thing were implemented, that back-seat gunner wouldn't just be a third wheel, but a defensive resource for the driver and vehicle.
The grenades therefore would still be able to get rid of a threat, but it would take a bit of skill for your follow-up.

If the Polymer also could deal slight acidic damage to those riding in open-air seating it would aid in being more of an anti-driver weapon system.