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Henchmen21
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:21:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:-they can be spammed, no lock or charge time
-you can't tell if anyone has it your ready for swarms when you see the launcher model
-no warning you can't even hear it coming
-in general it does more damage than swarms
-can home in
-can act as mines
-no impact to fitting, doesn't cost much pg or cpu or use a weapon slot
-because of this ^ ^ ^ can be used in conjunction with another weapon
-is linked to other grenades in the skill tree most people get at least ADV locus so now they have ADV AV
-requires little to know skill
Just can't get over how a small anti vehicle grenade does more damage than four big anti vehicle missiles, and I'm sure I missed a reason. CCP balance AV grenades so they do there appropriate job on the battlefield.
I can tell if someone has them, they run toward my tank. They are fine, if you let them get close enough to toss em at you that's your problem. |
Henchmen21
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:29:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things.
1. Someone who hasn't played a tank
2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch
3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf
4. Say the MD requires skills
5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles
6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it
1. I drive tanks, on this char and my alt.
2. I'll use them if I am on foot but I'd prefer to take out a tank with my tank.
3. Used the Flaylock once the day they came out. I am a true logi first and foremost, I don't have a sidearm.
4. Have MD at V and 2 prof and rarely use it, seems kind of cheap.
5. My only foot solder AV is proto AV nades and basic prox mines. No swarms no forges just nades and cheap mines.
6. I prefer logic and reason but who doesn't enjoy a good argument from time to time.
AV nades are fine. |
Henchmen21
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:51:00 -
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nakaya indigene wrote:Lai Dai can kill ANY tank with only 3. you can be in a shield buff tank with skill fully up with the highest resist going full speed past a person with this and die nearly instantly.
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Henchmen21
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:53:00 -
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nakaya indigene wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
AV nades hit between 750 and 1700. Not even 3 would kill you? You talk like if they are 1 HKO weapons.
Again if a SCOUT (LOL) runs BEHIND you then you were in a place you shouldnt be.
Believe it or not Tankers have limitations to areas where they can and shouldt be.
PLUS, there is something if im not mistaken, you know SCANNERS for tanks? ....
In reality Tanks have the hp of scouts. Proto AV grenades have been witnessed to do upto 3500 damage per nade and swarms can deal close to 3800 when fully maxed out. Even with reps, resistance, and logi support a tank can only survive upto 4 proto AV hits. This leaves the tank no choice, but to hide in the redline and snipe, but then I guess that would be acceptable to the infantry who shun it for acting like a TANK. Check your facts and don't always believe what a weapon says it does on paper. The only scout here is the tank itself. Yes I think the stats on the market detail doesn't show skill dps values, so you can kill a tank in 3 nades
Milita tanks maybe, there is a reason I always lay a nano or two before I start chucking AV nades.
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Henchmen21
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:29:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:nakaya indigene wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
AV nades hit between 750 and 1700. Not even 3 would kill you? You talk like if they are 1 HKO weapons.
Again if a SCOUT (LOL) runs BEHIND you then you were in a place you shouldnt be.
Believe it or not Tankers have limitations to areas where they can and shouldt be.
PLUS, there is something if im not mistaken, you know SCANNERS for tanks? ....
In reality Tanks have the hp of scouts. Proto AV grenades have been witnessed to do upto 3500 damage per nade and swarms can deal close to 3800 when fully maxed out. Even with reps, resistance, and logi support a tank can only survive upto 4 proto AV hits. This leaves the tank no choice, but to hide in the redline and snipe, but then I guess that would be acceptable to the infantry who shun it for acting like a TANK. Check your facts and don't always believe what a weapon says it does on paper. The only scout here is the tank itself. Yes I think the stats on the market detail doesn't show skill dps values, so you can kill a tank in 3 nades Milita tanks maybe, there is a reason I always lay a nano or two before I start chucking AV nades. I have seen it happen multiple times. The math is simple. 1700 base damage times the 30% weak spot on the tank which is all over the tank for some programming reason, plus 30% broken explosive damage (programming error, why many of us say they are broken, and finally all multiplied by a 135% efficiency vs armor. This equates to over 3600 DMG per nade.OP? Crutch? Working as intended? unfortunately it is all of the above
I've destroyed A LOT of tanks with nades, they are my primary target even before winning. Unless its a crap fit tank they always take at least 4 and if it is a crap fit well it deserves to die. |
Henchmen21
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Posted - 2013.08.31 22:02:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:nakaya indigene wrote:Lai Dai can kill ANY tank with only 3. you can be in a shield buff tank with skill fully up with the highest resist going full speed past a person with this and die nearly instantly. Thats why I threw 6 Lai Dai's at ExmapleCore's rail gun and took it down to half shields. yeah you read that correctly...6 AV's are less affective against shield and I'm pretty sure he had some insane resist, you might have had a slow regenerating hive too,but still did you have reverse damage mods or something. I have proto nanohives and I could literally lick his tank when I started my barrage of Lai Dai's. Hence why I was able to land 6 Lai Dai's. I run Lai Dai's all the time so I know that 6 of them is enough to kill the best tankers out there. 3 to kill a normal rail tanker, yet his took 6 to get half of his shield gone. Yet everyone on these forums are complaining about how OP Lai Dai's are. Yet here I was in the best scenario for myself. Lai Dai's work best in close quarters while rail tanks work best in long range. Any person could see this was the perfect storm for a rail tank to go down yet it didn't....It was far from dying. You say did I have reverse damage mods on. See that is the exact point that people don't understand. They don't do THAT much damage to solo good tankers. I have gone against many of them and they are VERY hard to take out by myself.
Lai Dai's also work best against armor tanks.
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