DUST Search - ONE locus grenade and bye full health PROTO suit.....

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Master Jaraiya wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Did your Proto suit have any kind of HP increasing modules (Armour Plates/Shield Extenders)?
If so, were they Proto as well, or just the suit itself?
What kind of suit are you running?
What tier of Locus Grenade was used?

Just because you have a "Proto" suit, doesn't mean you have more HP than a Militia suit. Especially if you're a Proto Scout with Damage Mods and a Shotgun and no Armour Plates because SPEED.

Also, people only carry 2 - 3 Locus Grenades at once, and require Nanohives if they want more than that.

MLT Suits Have Lower base eHP values. Standard through prototype all have the same base eHP values.

Yes, but base HP and total HP don't necessarily match up. A Prototype Scout with no Shield Extenders or Armour Plates will have significantly less HP than a Militia Assault suit with a couple of Militia Extenders and a Militia Armour Plate. Just saying "Prototype suit" didn't really explain anything because it's POSSIBLE for a Militia suit to have more HP than a Prototype suit depending on how they're fitted. But since that's finally been addressed...

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

MK-0 five complex shield extenders one complex kincat, complex stamina death by militia locus grenade...lol.

Its lolworthy when folks BEGIN the encounter by spamming grenades instead of shooting...lol.

All you're missing now is what suit that was on.

Doesn't sound like it should have happened though... unless you somehow crammed all those Shield Extenders onto a Scout suit that doesn't have that many High Slots? or took 2 grenades with perfectly-timed explosion? Or a Shotgun blast right before the grenade went off?

Other than those scenarios, it sounds like this is a legit complaint.

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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3395	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:30:00 - [31] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Did your Proto suit have any kind of HP increasing modules (Armour Plates/Shield Extenders)? If so, were they Proto as well, or just the suit itself? What kind of suit are you running? What tier of Locus Grenade was used? Just because you have a "Proto" suit, doesn't mean you have more HP than a Militia suit. Especially if you're a Proto Scout with Damage Mods and a Shotgun and no Armour Plates because SPEED. Also, people only carry 2 - 3 Locus Grenades at once, and require Nanohives if they want more than that. MLT Suits Have Lower base eHP values. Standard through prototype all have the same base eHP values. Yes, but base HP and total HP don't necessarily match up. A Prototype Scout with no Shield Extenders or Armour Plates will have significantly less HP than a Militia Assault suit with a couple of Militia Extenders and a Militia Armour Plate. Just saying "Prototype suit" didn't really explain anything because it's POSSIBLE for a Militia suit to have more HP than a Prototype suit depending on how they're fitted. But since that's finally been addressed... Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: MK-0 five complex shield extenders one complex kincat, complex stamina death by militia locus grenade...lol. Its lolworthy when folks BEGIN the encounter by spamming grenades instead of shooting...lol. All you're missing now is what suit that was on. Doesn't sound like it should have happened though... unless you somehow crammed all those Shield Extenders onto a Scout suit that doesn't have that many High Slots? or took 2 grenades with perfectly-timed explosion? Or a Shotgun blast right before the grenade went off? Other than those scenarios, it sounds like this is a legit complaint.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 712	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:33:00 - [32] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Did your Proto suit have any kind of HP increasing modules (Armour Plates/Shield Extenders)? If so, were they Proto as well, or just the suit itself? What kind of suit are you running? What tier of Locus Grenade was used? Just because you have a "Proto" suit, doesn't mean you have more HP than a Militia suit. Especially if you're a Proto Scout with Damage Mods and a Shotgun and no Armour Plates because SPEED. Also, people only carry 2 - 3 Locus Grenades at once, and require Nanohives if they want more than that. MLT Suits Have Lower base eHP values. Standard through prototype all have the same base eHP values. Yes, but base HP and total HP don't necessarily match up. A Prototype Scout with no Shield Extenders or Armour Plates will have significantly less HP than a Militia Assault suit with a couple of Militia Extenders and a Militia Armour Plate. Just saying "Prototype suit" didn't really explain anything because it's POSSIBLE for a Militia suit to have more HP than a Prototype suit depending on how they're fitted. But since that's finally been addressed... Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: MK-0 five complex shield extenders one complex kincat, complex stamina death by militia locus grenade...lol. Its lolworthy when folks BEGIN the encounter by spamming grenades instead of shooting...lol. All you're missing now is what suit that was on. Doesn't sound like it should have happened though... unless you somehow crammed all those Shield Extenders onto a Scout suit that doesn't have that many High Slots? or took 2 grenades with perfectly-timed explosion? Or a Shotgun blast right before the grenade went off? Other than those scenarios, it sounds like this is a legit complaint. MK-0 is an assault suit, minmatar prototype. FIVE high slots, two low slots.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:33:00 - [33] - Quote Get away from the grenade.
Chris F2112 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 381	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:34:00 - [34] - Quote Of course you begin the encounter with a grenade. It makes any battle much easier when you can catch them off guard with a grenade.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 2157	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:34:00 - [35] - Quote Core Locuses are ridiculous. Lol7.2m, 3 of them, 600 Damage. Yep, sounds balanced right? Oh and dont forget they hardly make a sound, silent killers.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 712	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:36:00 - [36] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Core Locuses are ridiculous. Lol7.2m, 3 of them, 600 Damage. Yep, sounds balanced right? Oh and dont forget they hardly make a sound, silent killers. AGREED.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 164	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:37:00 - [37] - Quote So you have around 687 HP and are mad when something that does 400-600HP damage kills you?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3396	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:44:00 - [38] - Quote I'm half asleep and somehow failed to see the MK-0 part... sorry. The rest of my post still stands. Either something else damaged you close enough to when the grenade went off that you didn't see it happen, or I agree that shouldn't really be happening.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 164	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:44:00 - [39] - Quote ladwar wrote: JETSTORM1090 wrote: I have no respect for people who use locus grenades and know that they are bad. hm.. what? why? are you a scout or something? No I am not a scout, but locus grenades don't care what you are, they kill any suit like they are a scout.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1376	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:46:00 - [40] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: ladwar wrote: JETSTORM1090 wrote: I have no respect for people who use locus grenades and know that they are bad. hm.. what? why? are you a scout or something? No I am not a scout, but locus grenades don't care what you are, they kill any suit like they are a scout. heavies

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5970	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:47:00 - [41] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Get away from the grenade. Cook much? If your grenade touches the ground before you collect your 50 WP, you're doing it wrong.
LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 71	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:48:00 - [42] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Grenades are unbalanced at present since a OHK weapon tells folks why bother to shoot. I.e. I was in proto testing out a fit and a squad of enemy were running towards me and instead of shooting they spammed grenades. I wonder if this will be fixed since its just murder taxis, grenade spam and electrical grenades aka forge guns. Anywho PS4 is getting here and my fix for Dust 514 for Today is to play Fallout New Vegas. let me guess u dont have more then 700 ehp, that why u die in one hit some cal can take 2 core nades to get kill anyway are u stupid? if they spam it get away from them. no one ask u run in to nades spam zone.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1377	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:49:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: Get away from the grenade. Cook much? always... i love throwing them right at the face and bounce right before they explode is really nice.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 164	Posted - 2013.08.31 02:17:00 - [44] - Quote ladwar wrote: JETSTORM1090 wrote: ladwar wrote: JETSTORM1090 wrote: I have no respect for people who use locus grenades and know that they are bad. hm.. what? why? are you a scout or something? No I am not a scout, but locus grenades don't care what you are, they kill any suit like they are a scout. heavies Heavy part time, Gallente assault full time.
KING CHECKMATE Bragian Order Amarr Empire 740	Posted - 2013.08.31 02:46:00 - [45] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Grenades are unbalanced at present since a OHK weapon tells folks why bother to shoot. I.e. I was in proto testing out a fit and a squad of enemy were running towards me and instead of shooting they spammed grenades. I wonder if this will be fixed since its just murder taxis, grenade spam and electrical grenades aka forge guns. Anywho PS4 is getting here and my fix for Dust 514 for Today is to play Fallout New Vegas. Grenades are designed to OHKO infantry. so... Jump? Unbalanced games lead to decreased player counts. We went from more than 9000 to less than 5000 thanks to unbalanced TAR, unbalanced contact grenades, unbalanced murder taxis, unbalanced flaylocks....lol. Well maybe they need a BLAST AREA reduction. But damage wise they are ok. I dont remember surviving a grenade in ANY other FPS i've ever played....
Thurak1 Psygod9 85	Posted - 2013.08.31 04:06:00 - [46] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Heres a tip: don't bunch up with the blueberries, they all like to crowd together in tight spaces, and as such the first thing the rasberries think is"oh **** chuck nades at the crowd!!!" as they should. Massdrivers and FGs and nades are all explosive, and the dust mentality is to bunch up, and do so behind cover. Thats why theyre effective, thats why people are b1tching. Yep. Yesturday while i was playing in my tank hunter fitting ( breach proto FG cheap dropsuit and damage mod) I got 3 kills off 1 shot with my FG. So everyone was within about 2 meters of the blast. It was glorious. Course the 2 people i didnt frag quickly turned on me and killed me. But it was so worth it.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1065	Posted - 2013.08.31 04:17:00 - [47] - Quote Take the splash radius off the granades and put um on REs lol
Viktor Zokas High-Damage 307	Posted - 2013.08.31 04:51:00 - [48] - Quote TL;DR Waaaahhhh CCP, my proto suit got killed. Clearly what killed me is OP. Nerf now plskkthx.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 109	Posted - 2013.08.31 05:23:00 - [49] - Quote I was under the impression that grenades cam kill any merc in one shot with a direct hit. My prototype heavy fit has roughly 1300 HP, and I sometimes die instantly to grenades.
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 05:49:00 - [50] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: I have no respect for people who use locus grenades and know that they are bad. I can down you easily with my ar, but if you choose to huddle up with ppl or attack me and im outnumbered, I prefer to grenade and then finish you and whoever else is left off with my gex/divoulle. Main point here is....do not group up with ppl sitting in one spot and do not gang up on me...or I will grenade you. Further more idc about your respect tbh, I can grenade anytime I feel needed, and if you think the reason is bc i'm bad, come at me 1 vs 1 and lets find out.

Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 05:55:00 - [51] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Quit standing still, if I die form a nade it's cus it was well primed and well thrown. I don't die from nades very often. I also rarely use more than a Sever logi suit with less than 400 HP. I well prime and throw mine every time, cooking and accuracy actually takes skill sometimes some ppl just think there lucky shots, I challenge myself and practice throwing every day. I love hitting ppl far away while there sprinting, I just cook it up and then throw it in front of them, its timed to land right where they will be when it hits the ground.
Misses Trickster Industrial removal service 11	Posted - 2013.08.31 06:00:00 - [52] - Quote I personally hardly ever get a good nade kill, its mostly spray and pray or giving me a way to escape Nanohive with a nade spammer? simply leave/flank/pull range. A wierd thing with dust over eve is nobody seems to get a rats about there ship, er, suit. people seem to focus on the kill just charging in check the area find a way to gain an advantage and take it My fave way ot get nade kills is to wait for 1-2 people to start hacking a point then trapping them with the LAV and just tossing some nades while they attempt to jump over the LAV to get out
AnALogginS S.e.V.e.N. 102	Posted - 2013.08.31 06:04:00 - [53] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Grenades are unbalanced at present since a OHK weapon tells folks why bother to shoot. I.e. I was in proto testing out a fit and a squad of enemy were running towards me and instead of shooting they spammed grenades. I wonder if this will be fixed since its just murder taxis, grenade spam and electrical grenades aka forge guns. Anywho PS4 is getting here and my fix for Dust 514 for Today is to play Fallout New Vegas. LOL, my speed tanked minmitar logistics suits primary weapon is the remote explosive... its funny that nobody uses this as a primary. No its not. Its funny retards like you do.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 336	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:48:00 - [54] - Quote The death screen total damage done numbers are misleading and frequently silly in the amounts they display. It has already been discussed over in the tech support section, it shows the total amount of damage the player has done to you over the course of time he has been fighting you. So say you got almost killed, you found a healing nano-hive recharged or waited for your reps to kick in and went back into the ruckus; the same enemy closed in on you and got the kill, it adds up both encounters and totals if for the amount of damage dealt, and if someone else finishes you off you end up see Y-player did 30-35 damage to you instead of seeing X-player did 1200 damage to you. I'm using proto-type level nano-hive... they give me the grenades and ammo I need and keep at least some of my team with ammo. So please let me do my cooking in peace.
Akdhar Saif CybinSect 49	Posted - 2013.08.31 09:04:00 - [55] - Quote Grenade explosion should have an effect on surrounding nades I.e. popping them or having the explosion fling them away. That one hgrenade will always be more effective and accurate than multiple grenades. Hopefully this won't effect the server too much.
Dust Project 514 Pistol King 244	Posted - 2013.08.31 09:33:00 - [56] - Quote I have to agree with grenades being a problem. Their power isn't the problem. It's the ammo count, allowing for spamming. Just yesturday I had one of the most amazing matches, where I went 22 / 0 K/D, over 1600 WP, using a militia Amarr heavy frame, two Viziam SPs with 1 Complex Dmg mod, and militia grenades. About half those kills were with just the grenades. I cooked and spammed them (thanks to nanohives), killing multi at a time throughout the whole match. I ended up in the number one spot. Was glorious. But like I said in another thread a couple days ago, "Explosives are the biggest crutch in this game, right now.".
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 172	Posted - 2013.08.31 14:59:00 - [57] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: I was under the impression that grenades cam kill any merc in one shot with a direct hit. My prototype heavy fit has roughly 1300 HP, and I sometimes die instantly to grenades. I get the headshot sound with nades from time to time, even got one with a prox mine last night. Not sure how it determines hit location but that might be whats doing it.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 407	Posted - 2013.08.31 15:03:00 - [58] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Grenades are unbalanced at present since a OHK weapon tells folks why bother to shoot. I.e. I was in proto testing out a fit and a squad of enemy were running towards me and instead of shooting they spammed grenades. I wonder if this will be fixed since its just murder taxis, grenade spam and electrical grenades aka forge guns. Anywho PS4 is getting here and my fix for Dust 514 for Today is to play Fallout New Vegas. Grenades. Lets go ahead and look at the history of war. They always kill what they land next to even in the future. get over it. or you can go play some sports. I hear kicking a ball is pretty balanced.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 407	Posted - 2013.08.31 15:05:00 - [59] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: I have to agree with grenades being a problem. Their power isn't the problem. It's the ammo count, allowing for spamming. Just yesturday I had one of the most amazing matches, where I went 22 / 0 K/D, over 1600 WP, using a militia Amarr heavy frame, two Viziam SPs with 1 Complex Dmg mod, and militia grenades. About half those kills were with just the grenades. I cooked and spammed them (thanks to nanohives), killing multi at a time throughout the whole match. I ended up in the number one spot. Was glorious. But like I said in another thread a couple days ago, "Explosives are the biggest crutch in this game, right now.". So what do you say to people who want to be grenadiers? God you people are funny. Its ok to be a tryhard but its not ok to be a grenadier.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 2	Posted - 2013.08.31 15:33:00 - [60] - Quote The main problem is the excessive bonus explosive gets to armour. A core locus minces proto armour, but splashes off proto caldari. We'll see if the new plate stats in 1.4 make much difference.



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