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          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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        Posted - 2013.08.30 23:54:00 -
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          The U.S. Army retrieves whats left over of the Tank which helps them reduce the cost of constantly buying new tank... instead of pay the big 8.5 million price tag for the tank they only pay about 2 million because the most expensive parts of the tank (the hull or Armor is retrieved), With this in mind, How about letting tanker retrieve parts of their tank. By retrieve, I mean by giving us back 30% of what the tank was worth and adding it to our isk total in the end of the match. This will map tanks are bit more financially profitable and affordable.  | 
      
      
      
          
          KING CHECKMATE 
          Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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          Anmol Singh wrote:The U.S. Army retrieves whats left over of the Tank which helps them reduce the cost of constantly buying new tank... instead of pay the big 8.5 million price tag for the tank they only pay about 2 million because the most expensive parts of the tank (the hull or Armor is retrieved), With this in mind, How about letting tanker retrieve parts of their tank. By retrieve, I mean by giving us back 30% of what the tank was worth and adding it to our isk total in the end of the match. This will map tanks are bit more financially profitable and affordable.   
  Whatever makes tankers stop whining about Forge gunners... +1 | 
      
      
      
          
          TheAmazing FlyingPig 
          Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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          You mean something like the Eve insurance system?
  The insurance system in Eve doesn't take into account any modules equipped onto the ship, and has multiple levels of insurance you can buy, each with it's own rate of return, based off of the market value of the hull. | 
      
      
      
          
          P14GU3 
          The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
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        Posted - 2013.08.30 23:58:00 -
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          Only if you win the match. | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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        Posted - 2013.08.31 00:02:00 -
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          P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  
  NO!  | 
      
      
      
          
          Bittersteel the Bastard 
          WarRavens League of Infamy
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          Anmol Singh wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  NO!   
  why not? | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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          Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  NO!   why not?  
  because if someone loses their tank, its most likely they lost it to a good team of coordianted dominating proto stomping game winning players... | 
      
      
      
          
          Bittersteel the Bastard 
          WarRavens League of Infamy
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          Anmol Singh wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  NO!   why not?  because if someone loses their tank, its most likely they lost it to a good team of coordianted dominating proto stomping game winning players...  
  But...that's not a good reason?
 
 
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          Needless Sacermendor 
          Red Fox Brigade
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          Anmol Singh wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  NO!   why not?  because if someone loses their tank, its most likely they lost it to a good team of coordianted dominating proto stomping game winning players...   then perhaps you should have considered it a bit more before you decided to risk a high value asset. | 
      
      
      
          
          ladwar 
          Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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          Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  NO!   why not?   would be more reason to win so i don't have care if it is winning side only but i rather see the winning side get a high% back then the losing side.(70%w /30% L) | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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          Needless Sacermendor wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  NO!   why not?  because if someone loses their tank, its most likely they lost it to a good team of coordianted dominating proto stomping game winning players...  then perhaps you should have considered it a bit more before you decided to risk a high value asset.  
  Perhaps the only reason its such a risk is because they cost so much but are completely **** when it comes to proto AV vs STD tank and that proto av cost 1/20th the isk of a tank and does more damage than proto railguns... | 
      
      
      
          
          Bittersteel the Bastard 
          WarRavens League of Infamy
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          ladwar wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Only if you win the match.  NO!   why not?  would be more reason to win so i don't have care if it is winning side only but i rather see the winning side get a high% back then the losing side.(70%w /30% L)  
  That seems reasonable. | 
      
      
      
          
          Garrett Blacknova 
          Codex Troopers
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          I'm a tanker, and I think this plan is silly.
  THE ARMY recovers the salvage, not you personally.
  Guess what? The game already accounts for this. More value in destroyed assets means more value in post-match rewards. If lots of tanks die in battle, BOTH sides earn lots more money. If lots of protosuits are murdered, both sides earn more.
  Also, your salvage is at least loosely tied to the amount and quality of gear destroyed in the match | 
      
      
      
          
          Bittersteel the Bastard 
          WarRavens League of Infamy
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          Anmol Singh wrote:
  Perhaps the only reason its such a risk is because they cost so much but are completely **** when it comes to proto AV vs STD tank... 
  
  Are you complaining because PRO>STD? wat | 
      
      
      
          
          Surt gods end 
          Demon Ronin
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          I like this. Shoot.. after the match and if I blow up your tank, I'll go over and help you retrieve the parts. anything took keep the "I want uber tanks quiet" | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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          Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
  Perhaps the only reason its such a risk is because they cost so much but are completely **** when it comes to proto AV vs STD tank... 
  Are you complaining because PRO>STD? wat  
  Im not complaining, im trying to make it bit for cost efficient to run a tank. | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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          Garrett Blacknova wrote:I'm a tanker, and I think this plan is silly.
  THE ARMY recovers the salvage, not you personally.
  Guess what? The game already accounts for this. More value in destroyed assets means more value in post-match rewards. If lots of tanks die in battle, BOTH sides earn lots more money. If lots of protosuits are murdered, both sides earn more.
  Also, your salvage is at least loosely tied to the amount and quality of gear destroyed in the match  
  Dude, I have lost my Falchion before and gone 20-1, I made 250k isk.. | 
      
      
      
          
          Garrett Blacknova 
          Codex Troopers
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          Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
  Perhaps the only reason its such a risk is because they cost so much but are completely **** when it comes to proto AV vs STD tank... 
  Are you complaining because PRO>STD? wat   Tankers wouldn't complain that PRO>STD if we got anything better than STD in the way of HAVs.
  Yes, there are Proto turrets, and there will be Proto modules coming (but not here yet). That doesn't solve the problem of no Proto HAVs to fit them on, and limited enough PG/CPU that we can't create decent fits around the single, solitary Proto turret/module we're likely to be able to cram into our overly-restrictive limit that we can't upgrade like you can on a Dropsuit because your fitting skills actually work and ours don't. | 
      
      
      
          
          Garrett Blacknova 
          Codex Troopers
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          Anmol Singh wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:I'm a tanker, and I think this plan is silly.
  THE ARMY recovers the salvage, not you personally.
  Guess what? The game already accounts for this. More value in destroyed assets means more value in post-match rewards. If lots of tanks die in battle, BOTH sides earn lots more money. If lots of protosuits are murdered, both sides earn more.
  Also, your salvage is at least loosely tied to the amount and quality of gear destroyed in the match  Dude, I have lost my Falchion before and gone 20-1, I made 250k isk..   Did you kill lots of valuable targets who brought expensive gear? Or were they all running starter fits or modded starter fits or moslty Militia/BPO gear? What about your teammates? With a 250k payout, your Falchion was probably the single most expensive loss anyone in the entire match suffered.
  Just because you lost one expensive item, doesn't mean that was backed by everyone else losing a whole lot of expensive gear. | 
      
      
      
          
          KalOfTheRathi 
          Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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        Posted - 2013.08.31 00:22:00 -
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          OP, it is hard to recall something that has burned to ash.
  Maybe you get a dumpster full of ash ... or less. Might be enough to rebuild a small portion of an armor module.
  Not to mention that you have forgotten Salvage and its many ramifications in DUST. If, and that is a hilariously big if, there was enough to recover than it would be Salvage. Thus your suggestion just costs the Tanks the same loss while providing the Reds that popped said tank more profit and they will use the results to build their own tanks or fund better tank popping.
  What you are trying to accomplish can be fixed by two simple mechanics. Reduce the price of tanks. Or, leave it alone and when the Tanker runs out of ISK they will have to use AUR. Hey! I bet CCP would love that. Might want to write CCP a note.  
  Here is a better process for future ideas:
  See problem. Have solution. Stop. Think. Recall how DUST/EVE/New Eden works. Realize that solution will violate the Gank Law of New Eden*. Think of another solution. Go to Stop.
  Yes, I realize there is no way out. Welcome to the DUST.
 
  * Gank Law of New Eden: Everybody gets ganked. HTFU. There is even a music video. By CCP. | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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        Posted - 2013.08.31 00:24:00 -
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          Garrett Blacknova wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:I'm a tanker, and I think this plan is silly.
  THE ARMY recovers the salvage, not you personally.
  Guess what? The game already accounts for this. More value in destroyed assets means more value in post-match rewards. If lots of tanks die in battle, BOTH sides earn lots more money. If lots of protosuits are murdered, both sides earn more.
  Also, your salvage is at least loosely tied to the amount and quality of gear destroyed in the match  Dude, I have lost my Falchion before and gone 20-1, I made 250k isk..  Did you kill lots of valuable targets who brought expensive gear? Or were they all running starter fits or modded starter fits or moslty Militia/BPO gear? What about your teammates? With a 250k payout, your Falchion was probably the single most expensive loss anyone in the entire match suffered. Just because you lost one expensive item, doesn't mean that was backed by everyone else losing a whole lot of expensive gear.  
  dude, idk what I killed but im certainly sure that 2.6 million isk was not distributed... We did have a very close battle... I had a squad of protos so idk... they musta had some protos to put up such a fight. BTW, sometimes i kill 3 protos a match when im running my stater fits but i still make SHlT money. | 
      
      
      
          
          Bittersteel the Bastard 
          WarRavens League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.08.31 00:26:00 -
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          ISK is based on gear destroyed and then is payed out by highest WP to lowest. | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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          Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:ISK is based on gear destroyed and then is payed out by highest WP to lowest.  
  This is not what the thread is about, the thread is about tank drivers able get some isk back if they lost the tank. | 
      
      
      
          
          Bittersteel the Bastard 
          WarRavens League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.08.31 00:29:00 -
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          Anmol Singh wrote:
  dude, idk what I killed but im certainly sure that 2.6 million isk was not distributed... We did have a very close battle... I had a squad of protos so idk... they musta had some protos to put up such a fight. BTW, sometimes i kill 3 protos a match when im running my stater fits but i still make SHlT money.
  
  I was just clarifying because of your post here. | 
      
      
      
          
          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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        Posted - 2013.08.31 00:33:00 -
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          KalOfTheRathi wrote:OP, it is hard to recall something that has burned to ash. Maybe you get a dumpster full of ash ... or less. Might be enough to rebuild a small portion of an armor module. Not to mention that you have forgotten Salvage and its many ramifications in DUST. If, and that is a hilariously big if, there was enough to recover than it would be Salvage. Thus your suggestion just costs the Tanks the same loss while providing the Reds that popped said tank more profit and they will use the results to build their own tanks or fund better tank popping. What you are trying to accomplish can be fixed by two simple mechanics. Reduce the price of tanks. Or, leave it alone and when the Tanker runs out of ISK they will have to use AUR. Hey! I bet CCP would love that. Might want to write CCP a note.   Here is a better process for future ideas: See problem. Have solution. Stop. Think. Recall how DUST/EVE/New Eden works. Realize that solution will violate the Gank Law of New Eden*. Think of another solution. Go to Stop. Yes, I realize there is no way out. Welcome to the DUST. * Gank Law of New Eden: Everybody gets ganked. HTFU. There is even a music video. By CCP.  
  Dust and eve have barley anything in common. 
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          Anmol Singh 
          the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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          Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
  dude, idk what I killed but im certainly sure that 2.6 million isk was not distributed... We did have a very close battle... I had a squad of protos so idk... they musta had some protos to put up such a fight. BTW, sometimes i kill 3 protos a match when im running my stater fits but i still make SHlT money.
  I was just clarifying because of your post here.  
  sorry but I to reply to this guy. | 
      
      
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