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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
306
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:27:00 -
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And it is still the same thing as before:
- The controls are still so clunky, it is impossible for heavy dropsuits to win in close quarters with medium suits strafing from side to side.
- There is nothing to do, I have about 2 million spare SP and I have no desire to try to spend it in something new because it is simply inviable to try anything other than assault or heavy, considering there will be no SP refunds and to spec into something properly costs like 2 million SP anyway.
- Spawning is still absolutely terrible. Three times I spawned within 10 metres of an enemy. Spawned once about 3 feet away from an enemy drop uplink. Spawned once to be killed by the war barrage instantly. I thought CCP said they would fix this ages ago?
- I still have no sense of what I am fighting for... I just jump in a game and shoot people, there is no factional warfare or anything which gives me a roleplay reason to fight since I am not a corp member. The EvE universe isn't present here at all.
- I cannot try any new things as specialising into EG - the forge gun will require weaponary level V which as a casual gamer I cannot expend...
- Matchmaking is still awful, I know CCP are aiming to 'fix' it, but right now I am getting put in games where we lose like 10 deaths to 80 deaths, with the other team having 4 tanks.
- Graphics are still below average, they are not smooth at all, hopefully the PS4 could change this...
- The animations are half-broken, IE - when I press the melee, it has a really clunky robotic 'jump' and feels like only 3 frames were inserted to it.
- AV grenades are still useless against vehicles, and speccing into forge guns and swarm launchers is unviable as I have to dedicate a whole class to it and by the time I change, the vehicle has either gone or I encounter someone with an ordinary weapon and I die.
I know this will probably look like a wall of complaints, but that is what I genuinely think of this game... 1.4 and 1.5 do nothing to address these issues so far, and the lack of content only worsens the issue.
I appreciate that your doing adorable little adjustments like adding a recent updates tab, adjusting the HUD, giving the laser rifle a red dot sight, giving corps the ability to tax... but that is NOT WHAT THE GAME NEEDS RIGHT NOW. Those are little petty things which should only come once the game is finished. CCP, you need to add the rest of the content and then begin balancing and tweaking. There's no point in adding new content 1 by 1 and then balancing them.
All of the problems I listed above give the game the low ratings it has been getting, the low ratings are not because of the lack of the EVE connection, no one really cares about that in an MMOFPS.
I appreciate that this is early days, but you should not have rushed for release so quickly, there was no advantage of doing it before the PS4 came out.
Please consider fixing these issues before implementing any more irrelevant updates. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
225
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Bro, im sorry but your soft.
Either you have something to prove and want to compete or you dont.
Dont come to forums with qq unless its about spam clowns or clown cars.
Those are the only exploits. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
2849
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:
AV grenades are still useless against vehicles, and speccing into forge guns and swarm launchers is unviable as I have to dedicate a whole class to it and by the time I change, the vehicle has either gone or I encounter someone with an ordinary weapon and I die.
This is the part where the tankers start trying to find where you live. |
SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
195
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:32:00 -
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very good post i agree complety..
planet side 2 is going to be amazing : ) |
Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:33:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:And it is still the same thing as before:
You don't say? |
Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:34:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:very good post i agree complety..
planet side 2 is going to be amazing : )
You know you can play it now right. I have been (Terran Republic, Matherson) on Ultra, on my 700$ machine (Just to refute the idea that you need 1200$ into a machine to play it on ultra) Seriously. It's out right now. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
307
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:34:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bro, im sorry but your soft.
Either you have something to prove and want to compete or you dont.
Dont come to forums with qq unless its about spam clowns or clown cars.
Those are the only exploits.
How can I prove it? Do you want me to record all of these problems, I'd do it if you really really want to be honest. It won't take me long to reproduce these problems.
And I am not QQing, if you didn't just read the first sentence and hop to a reply you would comprehend this.
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:
AV grenades are still useless against vehicles, and speccing into forge guns and swarm launchers is unviable as I have to dedicate a whole class to it and by the time I change, the vehicle has either gone or I encounter someone with an ordinary weapon and I die.
This is the part where the tankers start trying to find where you live.
Okay, well I threw 3 AV grenades and the shields didn't even deplete.
On 50% armour I chucked three and got an assist, but my grenades didn't do it alone. |
TunRa
Ill Omens
104
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:37:00 -
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LOL! He wants explosive AV grenades to be effective against shields? HAIL AV 514! |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
307
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:39:00 -
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TunRa wrote:LOL! He wants explosive AV grenades to be effective against shields? HAIL AV 514!
Please refer to my post above where I describe an AV grenade vs Armour instance. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
460
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:40:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:TunRa wrote:LOL! He wants explosive AV grenades to be effective against shields? HAIL AV 514! Please refer to my post above where I describe an AV grenade vs Armour instance.
You're doing it wrong. |
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Amy Artic
Binary Mercs
6
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:41:00 -
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Nyawww dont rage! If you dont realise they are adding and fixing a lot in the next update ;)
A lot of us dont have a problem with the game (though by the sounds of things you were playing ambush, I mode in need of a rethink).
I personally think the EVE connection is important, it's why I chose D514 over Planetside 2, and no doubt the reason why a lot of people chose to dedicate time into Dust over other games. I do however agree the core mechanics need tweaking before full intergration.
btw AV grenades do damage tanks, just dont expect to solo a tank with them, this is a squad based game after all. |
Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:42:00 -
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I'm guessing it was a glitch because, for right now: AV>Skilled Vehicle drivers. Seriously, EZ mode swarms and everything, while we can't even get the full racial line of tanks. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
307
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:48:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:TunRa wrote:LOL! He wants explosive AV grenades to be effective against shields? HAIL AV 514! Please refer to my post above where I describe an AV grenade vs Armour instance. You're doing it wrong.
What? Is there a special code? Do I have to throw it and hit it through the thermal vent or something? I threw all three grenades right at a tank and it took away about half (25%) of its 50% armour.
Amy Artic wrote:Nyawww dont rage! If you dont realise they are adding and fixing a lot in the next update ;)
A lot of us dont have a problem with the game (though by the sounds of things you were playing ambush, I mode in need of a rethink).
I personally think the EVE connection is important, it's why I chose D514 over Planetside 2, and no doubt the reason why a lot of people chose to dedicate time into Dust over other games. I do however agree the core mechanics need tweaking before full intergration.
btw AV grenades do damage tanks, just dont expect to solo a tank with them, this is a squad based game after all.
'A lot of us'? In what way are you able to judge how many people are satisfied with the game or not? Well I can judge by the responses from my criticism posts, other criticism posts and reviews, and let me tell you, people don't praise this game... And don't patronise me, I've looked at the patch notes (which you should have realised if you had read my entire post) and there is nothing desirable there, at all...
Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:I'm guessing it was a glitch because, for right now: AV>Skilled Vehicle drivers. Seriously, EZ mode swarms and everything, while we can't even get the full racial line of tanks.
Well that is another problem to the list. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
325
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:50:00 -
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Very few accurate points that are shadowed behind an overwhelming amount of QQ. You don't want to spec into AV cause someone took care of the vehicle first? You expect medium suits to stand still while you shoot them with your HMG whilst having at least double their HP? You don't want to spec into anything because you don't find it viable?
Bro, everything is viable in this game (except Small Railguns and Plasma Cannon...). It's a matter of situation and your own ability. Stop blaming the game for your own deficiencies. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
307
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:55:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Very few accurate points that are shadowed behind an overwhelming amount of QQ. You don't want to spec into AV cause someone took care of the vehicle first? You expect medium suits to stand still while you shoot them with your HMG whilst having at least double their HP? You don't want to spec into anything because you don't find it viable?
Bro, everything is viable in this game (except Small Railguns and Plasma Cannon...). It's a matter of situation and your own ability. Stop blaming the game for your own deficiencies.
Please assess the 'accuracy' of each point individually because I'm willing to entirely challenge that cute statement. Also re-read my post, you clearly misunderstood the fundamental arguments I put into it.
- I don't want to spec into AV because: A) it takes a lot of SP, for a casual gamer with 6m SP, and B) I have to switch classes which essentially guarantees 2 deaths for me unless I'm near a supply depot, and it isn't always worth it because my team mates often do the job by the time I change.
- I expect medium suits not to be able to strafe around as if they were light suits.
- I don't want to spec into other stuff because like I've said twice, I only have 6m SP because I am a casual gamer and I covet to save it up for when I actually need it...
- And please don't try to appeal to my apparently childish sense of reasoning by calling me 'bro', and don't blame the instant deaths I have endured due to bad spawns and war barrages on my 'deficiencies'... |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:58:00 -
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Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
309
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:00:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades.
That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:02:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades. That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it.
So matchmaking? Wait for 1.4 and then judge. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
309
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:04:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades. That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it. So matchmaking? Wait for 1.4 and then judge.
It isn't matchmaking, it is simply that swarm launchers should be carried as secondary weapons, making them more viable and doesn't require a class dedicated to AV to be applied to a player during a match. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:07:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades. That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it. So matchmaking? Wait for 1.4 and then judge. It isn't matchmaking, it is simply that swarm launchers should be carried as secondary weapons, making them more viable and doesn't require a class dedicated to AV to be applied to a player during a match.
Swarm launchers are a light weapon and can be carried by any suit (if that's what you mean by class) and no they shouldn't be carried as secondary weapons because that's destroys vehicle viability. If you want two light weapons on a suit go skill into a commando. |
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
312
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:10:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades. That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it. So matchmaking? Wait for 1.4 and then judge. It isn't matchmaking, it is simply that swarm launchers should be carried as secondary weapons, making them more viable and doesn't require a class dedicated to AV to be applied to a player during a match. Swarm launchers are a light weapon and can be carried by any suit (if that's what you mean by class) and no they shouldn't be carried as secondary weapons because that's destroys vehicle viability. If you want two light weapons on a suit go skill into a commando.
Again you highlight one key fundamental flaw. "If you want two light weapons, go spec commando" - around half of the players that this game will attract will be casual gamers, earning no more than 24,000 SP a day, they will not be able to spec into something like that as easily, there is a serious dedication issue as players who play more will infinitely outwit casual gamers.
And vehicles should have ECM to counter missiles in a similar way, and that would balance itself out.. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
714
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:18:00 -
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I read your entire post and I scratched my head. Yes some things need worked on but alot of what you mentioned seems a bit off. |
Jayquan18
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
108
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:26:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:[i]
(Planetside 2) and it is better simply because it is finished and there is a real factional warfare feel to it, rather than being plopped into a random battle for some random corporation.
THANK YOU +10 for this line. And I also agree with everything else you say. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3384
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:33:00 -
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If you threw 3 AV grenades at a half-armour tank and it didn't die before the third one arrived, there are a few possible scenarios:
1. You're lying and you killed the tank. 2. You're lagging and the tank was actualy dead before you threw the second grenade. 3. You missed with at least 2 of your grenades, and are running Standard AV Grenades rather than upgrading to Advanced or Prototype. 4. You're running Standard AV Grenades, and the tank had multiple Armour Hardeners and a Repairer running, and probably a guy with a Repair Tool standing behind it as well as the driver maxing out the armour resistance skill. 5. You were lagging so bad it looked like you hit the tank but actually your grenades were more than 2 seconds behind and the Assist was on a random LAV or something that shot past and caught one on the way without you even seeing it.
Yes, it's vaguely plausible for an armour tank to, for a few seconds, be durable enough to tank 3 AV grenades while at 50% health, but even though it literally has EVERYTHING running to avoid death, it's still losing 25% of its HP, then getting finished off by something else, even though you're not running a primary anti-vehicle weapon. |
SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
197
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:43:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:SILVERBACK 02 wrote:very good post i agree complety..
planet side 2 is going to be amazing : ) You know you can play it now right. I have been (Terran Republic, Matherson) on Ultra, on my 700$ machine (Just to refute the idea that you need 1200$ into a machine to play it on ultra) Seriously. It's out right now.
i mean play it with real gamers on console...
you PC gamers are all boring and lack the taste and engineering of a true console gamers.. FACT.
ps4 gaphics will look amazing too! |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1591
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:44:00 -
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There was a time dust was a sandbx attacker/defender fps with an NPC commander placing turrets and mini bases as needed. Fights were fast paced and muliple dropsuits were useful based on the current part of the battle.
I played that game |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
724
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:44:00 -
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Trust me, 1.4 is a HUGE improvement.
The removal of team vision and better matchmaking will make the game drastically better. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3384
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:54:00 -
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Just looking at the thing about people wanting the capabilities of dedicated AV without actually having to be a dedicated AV build, there are 2 options.
1. AV Grenades, but they're long overdue for a nerf that I hope is coming soon. 2. You know there's a free fitting with a Swarm Launcher you can use for free because it's a free fitting, right? Because you should seriously check it out. Did I mention it's free? Because it's free. And it has a Swarm Launcher. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
463
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:55:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:
Again you highlight one key fundamental flaw. "If you want two light weapons, go spec commando" - around half of the players that this game will attract will be casual gamers, earning no more than 24,000 SP a day, they will not be able to spec into something like that as easily, there is a serious dedication issue as players who play more will infinitely outwit casual gamers.
And vehicles should have ECM to counter missiles in a similar way, and that would balance itself out..
You earn like 24,000 from passive SP i believe.
Also you can't "outwit" someone just because you have more SP. To outwit someone requires wit, of which you sorely lack. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3834
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Posted - 2013.08.31 00:00:00 -
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The only thing I disagree with you here is the spawning (assuming you're talking about ambush). Everything else I agree with.
The spawn system has greatly improved during the past three months alone. Zerg rushes are less common in ambush and getting killed when spawning is not as problematic as it use to. You occasionally still get spawn killed every now and then, but it's far less common now to the point where it's mostly limited to your initial spawn at the beginning of every match when you are not cloaked. |
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