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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
744
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:40:00 -
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So, I just had abit of inspiration. What if, when a Vehicle or embedded turret dies, it leaves behind a husk(like the Turrets already do)? Then, people with the Axis class repair tools could 'revive' the vehicle and maybe even it's occupants. It should take a decent amount of time, 10 seconds or so, more/less for bigger/smaller vehicles, but I'm sure it would do alot to ease the pain of losing a vehicle if you had the chance of bringing it back. Killshots on the weakpoint would prevent revives, so the Forge and Plasma Cannon would be the most important AV to prevent a raise. Also, we would need Embark/Debark animations so that the pilots couldn't just teleport out moments before their vehicle explodes and fix it themselves.
If this is too far fetched, what about just a simple Salvager Equipment Module that could be used to attempt to recoop losses? |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2142
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:41:00 -
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No.
Vehicles should get destroyed, but I should be able to salvage the wreck with a Salvager, to try get back some of what I lost. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1937
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:52:00 -
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You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
However, I could see the potential for exploit given how quickly remote armor repairs on vehicles could bring a tank back. Imagine the WP farming.... +180... revive +180.... etc... you could have an easy 10k WP by the end of a match... |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
744
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:53:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
However, I could see the potential for exploit given how quickly remote armor repairs on vehicles could bring a tank back. Imagine the WP farming.... +180... revive +180.... etc... you could have an easy 10k WP by the end of a match...
And I'm sure CCP would overreact and completely remove the points :c
Boosters ruin the fun for everyone. WP are so stoopeed :3 |
Octavian Vetiver
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:32:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
However, I could see the potential for exploit given how quickly remote armor repairs on vehicles could bring a tank back. Imagine the WP farming.... +180... revive +180.... etc... you could have an easy 10k WP by the end of a match... And I'm sure CCP would overreact and completely remove the points :c Boosters ruin the fun for everyone. WP are so stoopeed :3
It's because WP are also converted to SP at the end. If they went the EvE route of setting skill and then waiting weeks for it to train then I don't think it would have worked out well for the console crowd. By actively having a way to get SP from actually doing something it keeps the player feeling like they have no ability to affect their skill training time. On eve there are only two ways to affect the rate at which SP accumulates. Implants for attributes or remapping them. |
darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
150
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:35:00 -
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yes yes YES |
Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:42:00 -
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"Secretary!! Get LLAV on line 1! I think we just found it's intended role!" |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
751
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:39:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:"Secretary!! Get LLAV on line 1! I think we just found it's intended role!"
...yes... **** YES |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3831
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:42:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:"Secretary!! Get LLAV on line 1! I think we just found it's intended role!"
"Secretary!! Get GASTUN FG on line 2! I think we found a way to bait LLAVs!" |
SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
197
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:45:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
However, I could see the potential for exploit given how quickly remote armor repairs on vehicles could bring a tank back. Imagine the WP farming.... +180... revive +180.... etc... you could have an easy 10k WP by the end of a match...
who cares? wp dont mean anything when you capped... |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3831
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:48:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
However, I could see the potential for exploit given how quickly remote armor repairs on vehicles could bring a tank back. Imagine the WP farming.... +180... revive +180.... etc... you could have an easy 10k WP by the end of a match... who cares? wp dont mean anything when you capped...
WPs will still mean a lot towards orbitals and those don't get capped. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
487
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:50:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
Because dropsuits dont explode when they die, good luck picking up all the intestinal pieces. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
716
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:51:00 -
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Because reviving entails bringing whats dead back to life in which a LAV isn't considered "alive".
Unless even in New Eden, a LAV is named "Christine"
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1938
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:57:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:SILVERBACK 02 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
However, I could see the potential for exploit given how quickly remote armor repairs on vehicles could bring a tank back. Imagine the WP farming.... +180... revive +180.... etc... you could have an easy 10k WP by the end of a match... who cares? wp dont mean anything when you capped... WPs will still mean a lot towards orbitals and those don't get capped.
10k WPs is 4 orbitals... thats a problem.
OBs are why we cant have nice things... |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
370
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Posted - 2013.08.31 00:36:00 -
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Yeah it would be cool to blow up a several million isk HAV and then salvage it or bring it back to life for my team to use against the guy that just lost it :-)
Edit : ohh wait no, but that's not what you want is it, you just want it to cost you less ! |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
752
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Posted - 2013.08.31 00:40:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Yeah it would be cool to blow up a several million isk HAV and then salvage it or bring it back to life for my team to use against the guy that just lost it :-)
Edit : ohh wait no, but that's not what you want is it, you just want it to cost you less !
I'm not a tanker if that's what your ***** is. This idea of yours was already implied by my OP and was part of the idea. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
2127
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Posted - 2013.08.31 00:43:00 -
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Would it be available to spider tankers? Seems strange to make a module that is exclusive to two vehicles, kinda defeats the purpose of this game's whole customization system, seeing as you can put what you want on whatever you want.
But yeah, I agree with this revival system. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
752
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Posted - 2013.08.31 01:07:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Would it be available to spider tankers? Seems strange to make a module that is exclusive to two vehicles, kinda defeats the purpose of this game's whole customization system, seeing as you can put what you want on whatever you want.
But yeah, I agree with this revival system.
the LLAV and LDS are a limitation, otherwise we'd just have tankers reviving each other in a neverending cycle. Tanks are the Heavy of the vehicle world, it's time the L in LLAV was put to good use. Plus a player standing there for 10 or so seconds with a rep tool would be the biggest, squishiest target since never.
Also, try putting a repair tool on a Heavy. I dare you :D |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
371
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Posted - 2013.08.31 01:31:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Yeah it would be cool to blow up a several million isk HAV and then salvage it or bring it back to life for my team to use against the guy that just lost it :-)
Edit : ohh wait no, but that's not what you want is it, you just want it to cost you less ! I'm not a tanker if that's what your ***** is. This idea of yours was already implied by my OP and was part of the idea. Your post in no way implies the enemy could salvage or resurrect your vehicle ... in fact it contains 3 points that directly imply it would only be for friendlies to save your vehicles ...
Quote:and maybe even it's occupants
Quote:I'm sure it would do alot to ease the pain of losing a vehicle if you had the chance of bringing it back also you refer to it as a 'revive' and a 'Revival System' which implies it to be like the Nanite Injector reviving a dropsuit which can only used on friendlies.
So no it wasn't implied by your OP and if it was part of the idea you concealed it well. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
752
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Posted - 2013.08.31 01:36:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Yeah it would be cool to blow up a several million isk HAV and then salvage it or bring it back to life for my team to use against the guy that just lost it :-)
Edit : ohh wait no, but that's not what you want is it, you just want it to cost you less ! I'm not a tanker if that's what your ***** is. This idea of yours was already implied by my OP and was part of the idea. Your post in no way implies the enemy could salvage or resurrect your vehicle ... in fact it contains 3 points that directly imply it would only be for friendlies to save your vehicles ... Quote:and maybe even it's occupants Quote:I'm sure it would do alot to ease the pain of losing a vehicle if you had the chance of bringing it back also you refer to it as a 'revive' and a 'Revival System' which implies it to be like the Nanite Injector reviving a dropsuit which can only used on friendlies. So no it wasn't implied by your OP and if it was part of the idea you concealed it well.
If you feel like going fully attack, you may want to calm down for a spell. In EVE and DUST an unmanned vehicle easily has it's loyalty flipped. I simply took the idea as understood and didn't highlight it in the OP for fear of a severe backlash from the vehicular community. Furthermore, please do calm the venom down. You are obviously not a Vehicle player judging from your edit, so please do not try and kick a wasp's nest here with the large number of Vehicle users passing through. I'd rather the thread be used for good rather than another AV vs V vs AR slapfight. |
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
2133
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Posted - 2013.08.31 01:40:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Would it be available to spider tankers? Seems strange to make a module that is exclusive to two vehicles, kinda defeats the purpose of this game's whole customization system, seeing as you can put what you want on whatever you want.
But yeah, I agree with this revival system. the LLAV and LDS are a limitation, otherwise we'd just have tankers reviving each other in a neverending cycle. Tanks are the Heavy of the vehicle world, it's time the L in LLAV was put to good use. Plus a player standing there for 10 or so seconds with a rep tool would be the biggest, squishiest target since never. Also, try putting a repair tool on a Heavy. I dare you :D
The thing is, I can't put a repair tool on a heavy because it doesn't have an equipment slot. HAVs, on the other hand, DO have module slots. I've heard the suggestion that CCP should add drone bays to vehicles, which would act as a vehicle equivalent of equipment. Maybe if they ever did this, HAVs wouldn't get any bays, and your suggestion would become a drone slot. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
753
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Posted - 2013.08.31 01:59:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Would it be available to spider tankers? Seems strange to make a module that is exclusive to two vehicles, kinda defeats the purpose of this game's whole customization system, seeing as you can put what you want on whatever you want.
But yeah, I agree with this revival system. the LLAV and LDS are a limitation, otherwise we'd just have tankers reviving each other in a neverending cycle. Tanks are the Heavy of the vehicle world, it's time the L in LLAV was put to good use. Plus a player standing there for 10 or so seconds with a rep tool would be the biggest, squishiest target since never. Also, try putting a repair tool on a Heavy. I dare you :D The thing is, I can't put a repair tool on a heavy because it doesn't have an equipment slot. HAVs, on the other hand, DO have module slots. I've heard the suggestion that CCP should add drone bays to vehicles, which would act as a vehicle equivalent of equipment. Maybe if they ever did this, HAVs wouldn't get any bays, and your suggestion would become a drone slot.
EVE already has the answer.
ROLE BONUSES.
They would have an exorbitant fitting cost that no vehicle could fit, expect for those with the corresponding role bonus. Many EVE ships have this, either to fit Large guns on a Medium hull, more Miners than the resources should allow, or almost all the high end cloaks. Currently, a slot is a slot. We need to give the role suits and role vehicles a role bonus so they are shepherded into their roles.
Come to think of it, aren't you the guy who preached his head off about roll bonuses in a Threadnaught not too long ago? :p |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
371
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:03:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:If you feel like going fully attack, you may want to calm down for a spell. In EVE and DUST an unmanned vehicle easily has it's loyalty flipped. I simply took the idea as understood and didn't highlight it in the OP for fear of a severe backlash from the vehicular community. Furthermore, please do calm the venom down. You are obviously not a Vehicle player judging from your edit, so please do not try and kick a wasp's nest here with the large number of Vehicle users passing through. I'd rather the thread be used for good rather than another AV vs V vs AR slapfight. To be honest I'm tired of seeing these half brained ideas that would only cause months of development time when simply reducing the cost of the vehicle would achieve the same goal, to quote your OP again "ease the pain of losing a vehicle" and take a few seconds deleting a zero off the end of a few numbers so the devs can get on with, I don't know, developing the game !
I'd rather the thread and many others simply didn't exist, cos someone at CCP has had to waste their time reading through it when they could have used that time thinking about things like how an sp event will be played to get the most from it. Then we might have got a better system before someone else wasted their time writing up a devblog and a forum post to promote it.
There's FAR more important things that need to be developed in this game than a revival tool for vehicles, especially considering vehicles aren't killed like clones, they are destroyed.
Can you use your salvage ship to 'revive' your wreck in Eve ? No, nuff said. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
2133
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:06:00 -
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I don't play EvE TBH, so I couldn't particularly use any information from it to my advantage, but that sounds like a more than reasonable idea. Does that mean that LLAVs and LDSs would have the same role bonus though? I wonder if one is more suited to this revive mechanic than the other, or if the role bonus would apply to all triage-related modules? |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
753
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:09:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:If you feel like going fully attack, you may want to calm down for a spell. In EVE and DUST an unmanned vehicle easily has it's loyalty flipped. I simply took the idea as understood and didn't highlight it in the OP for fear of a severe backlash from the vehicular community. Furthermore, please do calm the venom down. You are obviously not a Vehicle player judging from your edit, so please do not try and kick a wasp's nest here with the large number of Vehicle users passing through. I'd rather the thread be used for good rather than another AV vs V vs AR slapfight. To be honest I'm tired of seeing these half brained ideas that would only cause months of development time when simply reducing the cost of the vehicle would achieve the same goal, to quote your OP again "ease the pain of losing a vehicle" and take a few seconds deleting a zero off the end of a few numbers so the devs can get on with, I don't know, developing the game ! I'd rather the thread and many others simply didn't exist, cos someone at CCP has had to waste their time reading through it when they could have used that time thinking about things like how an sp event will be played to get the most from it. Then we might have got a better system before someone else wasted their time writing up a devblog and a forum post to promote it. There's FAR more important things that need to be developed in this game than a revival tool for vehicles, especially considering vehicles aren't killed like clones, they are destroyed. Can you use your salvage ship to 'revive' your wreck in Eve ? No, nuff said.
Your pointless hatemongering is just that, so please move along if you have nothing constructive to say. Setting prices is pointless as the free market will determine all prices in due time. Also, clones are as killed as a vehicle is, there is no reason to distinguish one as being more 'killed' than the other. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
753
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:13:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I don't play EvE TBH, so I couldn't particularly use any information from it to my advantage, but that sounds like a more than reasonable idea. Does that mean that LLAVs and LDSs would have the same role bonus though? I wonder if one is more suited to this revive mechanic than the other, or if the role bonus would apply to all triage-related modules?
Role bonuses tend to be given to all ships that match a certain profile across races. For example, all the racial tier three Battlecruisers get a reduction to the power drain from their race's preferred turret. All Logistics class ships get a bonus to their race's preferred remote tanking gear. All CovOps ships get fitting reductions to the CovOps cloaks and so-on and so-forth. These bonuses make sure that the ships are the best at their intended role. I can still put a turret on my Badger instead of making use of its bonuses to Hold Storage, but it isn't very smart. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
592
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:17:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
Derp
You don't revive the dropsuit, you revive the clone inside of the dropsuit. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
754
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:20:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:You can revive dropsuits, why not vehicles? Could be a very interesting new dynamic to the game if they offered that.
Derp You don't revive the dropsuit, you revive the clone inside of the dropsuit.
You do also repair the dopsuit the clone is inside of. The clone dies the moment the suit is ruptured, so if you didn't fix the hole I'd assume the environments aren't that good to cloneflesh. Plus when i revive people they have 80%of their armor, which had been previously blown off to get the kill. Ergo, it is appropriate for Mr. Dub to have said that you do indeed revive a DSuit. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1462
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:23:00 -
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I would like to see my wreck stay on the map so that other players can use it as cover and we can see the wreckage. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
371
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Posted - 2013.08.31 02:27:00 -
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"due time" will be third decade if this carries on ! The secondary market won't happen until we have an economy which won't happen until the items we use are manufactured and that can't happen until DUST has manufacture because DUST can't be reliant on Eve to build it's items because if it was DUST still wouldn't have an economy it would just have Eve as an isk sink.
Clones are flesh and blood ... vehicles are alloys and plastics ... flesh and blood dies ... alloys and plastics are destroyed. I think you might be confusing clones with dropsuits.
And your Badger is a Tech 1 ship which get bonuses from skills ... Tech 2 (specialised) ships have role bonuses as well as the skill bonus, the T2 version of your Badger is a Crane which has the Cloak role bonus, you can fit what you want in the highslot of a Badger since it can't fit a Cov Ops Cloak. |
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