DUST Search - Attention PFC Corps - Possible Miltia Round Robin Tournament

Arcturis Vanguard wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

VicBoss wrote:

To be honest the simplest and best way to do this is just started fits, no change to the fits whatsoever.

I move for ONLY MLT starter suits. That will be the most fun

That is definitely an option. Once we get more corps interested, I say we put it to a quick and easy vote. I'm all for it, though.

Corps build their teams with role specific specialities. At standard level, every player can employ their specfic talents because their gear is accessible. If you enforce a MLT only policy, you could potentially force a player out of their role and performance will suffer. I would say that ISK varients are only used absolutely no aurum gear.

I imagine that the point ofthis tournament of yous is to show off individual skill and corp ability without a gear advantage. With standard level gear, all plaayers within a corp can participate and fulfill what they have been training themselves to do. No discrimination.

However, pilots will be left out to dry with your no vehicles. I dont mind seeing militia tanks or dropships as these are vital tactics that all corps.must imploy to be competitive at any level. Standard level modules would be fine. Though i also understand why you dont want to see a tank, they can easily turn the tide of a battle IF AV isnt present to challange their asserted authority.

These are just my thoughts and i hope others agree with me.

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NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 393	Posted - 2013.08.30 17:25:00 - [31] - Quote i think we should try two battles. Battle 1: we attack you with mlt/starter fit only Battle 2: You attack us with BPO, Meta 1/or standard gear only (which includes dropsuits, modules, weapons, grenades and so on) after the two battles: we can figure out what works and report here
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 208	Posted - 2013.08.30 17:53:00 - [32] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: i think we should try two battles. Battle 1: we attack you with mlt/starter fit only Battle 2: You attack us with BPO, Meta 1/or standard gear only (which includes dropsuits, modules, weapons, grenades and so on) after the two battles: we can figure out what works and report here That sounds like a plan. After we get the district and get our clones full, we'll get it done.
develsgun S.e.V.e.N. 33	Posted - 2013.08.30 20:47:00 - [33] - Quote yay militia only gear can I handicap myself and bring a militia dropship to help kill people
Red Dot 24601-HA S.e.V.e.N. 177	Posted - 2013.08.31 06:31:00 - [34] - Quote Devel...he said no vehicles....
bethany valvetino Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 98	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:41:00 - [35] - Quote DSI could be interested... However, we're part of a small indy allaince and as such, I'm wondering if there would be some flexibility in rules, as there are for PFC as a whole.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 211	Posted - 2013.08.31 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote bethany valvetino wrote: DSI could be interested... However, we're part of a small indy allaince and as such, I'm wondering if there would be some flexibility in rules, as there are for PFC as a whole. Although I understand your point, I'm against any alliance use. As I stated before, we want this as simple as possible. In order to do that, the rule will remain absolutely no ringers. Once you open the door for ringers, everyone has a different definition. I don't want to get buried in those conversations or arguments.
DaddyKillsEmAll United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2013.08.31 17:17:00 - [37] - Quote sounds good:) UPS is interested... We are an europe corp..so the timezone could be a problem. Our time (EVE time) during the week: 3pm - 10pm at the weekend: 1pm - 1am So, friday and saturday would be perfect...
sL1p-k-NOT United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 25	Posted - 2013.08.31 17:32:00 - [38] - Quote Yeah SEVEN nice idea.... If it works we can start some fun events in the future......like "heavy knife run skirmish" Permittet only militia ....heavy suit with nova knife
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 212	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:07:00 - [39] - Quote DaddyKillsEmAll wrote: sounds good:) UPS is interested... We are an europe corp..so the timezone could be a problem. Our time (EVE time) during the week: 3pm - 10pm at the weekend: 1pm - 1am So, friday and saturday would be perfect... UPS has been added to the OP. And yes, sL1p, my hope is this starts other fun tournaments and events. If it's our sandbox, then we can build our own freakin' sandcastles! We don't have to wait around for anything.
develsgun S.e.V.e.N. 33	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:00:00 - [40] - Quote Red Dot 24601-HA wrote: Devel...he said no vehicles.... by many current definitions a dropship isn't a vehicle it is a coffin and as I would use a militia grade it might as well be wrapping me in gasoline soaked cloth waiting for a spark for the cremation to start. but either way this sound like fun all militia gear and nothing to complain about when someone loses besides there own weakness Sign up people there is a tournament to be had.

General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 2176	Posted - 2013.08.31 23:04:00 - [41] - Quote I want in on this, since bpo's are accepted I can use my dren suits right?
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 212	Posted - 2013.09.01 01:25:00 - [42] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I want in on this, since bpo's are accepted I can use my dren suits right? We're going to test both ways before we make a final decision; so, once we get our district back on PFC and get clones, The Generals will attack. During that match, we will either go anything Meta Level 1 (BPOs are included) or we'll do only [Starter Fits]. Then we'll attack you guys and test the one we didn't do. After those two fights, we can report back here with our opinions. This will take a little bit; everyone will have to be patient while we set this up the right way.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 1124	Posted - 2013.09.01 15:44:00 - [43] - Quote I think it'd be cool, but I guarantee heavies would be prized because at standard level with only standard modules they are the only ones with comparable tank as other proto suits and more ammo, everyone else would be paper with only standard gear. And proficiency 5 hmgs would **. But if its militia only then there's pretty much (outside of the inevitable advantages of passive bonuses accululated with sp like ammo capacity and hacking skills) a lot of skil involved. No uplink spam, limited ammo, tanks would be much more viable (maybe?) and proficient shotty scouts would ** because grenade spam would be limited and no heavies or re's to counter. Any salvage received that betrays the opponent as using Hughes lvl gear would be the proof of cheating (or video if the guy is switching suits) pretty sweet IMO.
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 31	Posted - 2013.09.06 15:42:00 - [44] - Quote Z-eon wrote: Use Spero's Escrow services to hold you isk. there's your third party I'd be happy to act as a third party for the event if helps to get it off the ground.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 214	Posted - 2013.09.06 21:22:00 - [45] - Quote We just got our PFC district back and it's under attack. People really love us. :) All we want to do is test the two possibilities with The Generals; then--after that--we can start the Round Robin. I have a feeling this won't happen until next year.
Red Dot 24601-HA S.e.V.e.N. 178	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:58:00 - [46] - Quote We could just use a clone pack to get started...We attack the Generals then if our district gets left alone long enough the generals attack us. If not we Attack the generals again when the time is good for both corps. I don't mind fronting the isk for it...I mean what else is it good for?
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1665	Posted - 2013.09.08 21:39:00 - [47] - Quote This is a very fun idea. You can put Hellstorm on that list. Damn I love PFC.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 214	Posted - 2013.09.08 23:59:00 - [48] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: This is a very fun idea. You can put Hellstorm on that list. Damn I love PFC. Original post has been edited. Do you guys want to do all Meta Level 1 or [STARTER FIT] in tomorrow's match, since you attacked us? It will be a good test. Let me know.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1670	Posted - 2013.09.09 16:20:00 - [49] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Original post has been edited. Do you guys want to do all Meta Level 1 or [STARTER FIT] in tomorrow's match, since you attacked us? It will be a good test. Let me know. Let's do meta 1 - [starter fits] are pretty boring.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 214	Posted - 2013.09.09 17:47:00 - [50] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Original post has been edited. Do you guys want to do all Meta Level 1 or [STARTER FIT] in tomorrow's match, since you attacked us? It will be a good test. Let me know. Let's do meta 1 - [starter fits] are pretty boring. All right, I'll let my guys know it's only Meta - 1. No vehicles, right? That's the way the Round Robin will be.

Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1677	Posted - 2013.09.09 18:11:00 - [51] - Quote No vehicles? Yeah that's ok. For the actual round robin I don't see why we shouldn't use militia vehicles as they are a very regular part of this game.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 214	Posted - 2013.09.09 18:43:00 - [52] - Quote We'll see how it goes. We'll try it different ways before the rules are set; I think the hesitation is that without proper AV, taking down certain vehicles might be pretty tough.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 214	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:12:00 - [53] - Quote The first PFC all Meta Level 1 match happened tonight: Se\7eN vs. Hellstorm. Hellstorm took home the victory, and it was a very good time. Another rule we had was no vehicles of any kind. Here are my thoughts: We had mercs on both sides break the sacred rules. For Se\7eN, we had a new guy bring in an advanced breach AR. As soon as we saw the kill feed, we started yelling at him and he stopped. On Hellstorm's side, there was a Freedom MD at one point that was all over the kill feed, and after the game we got a lot of Enhanced mods, proto mods, etc. I'm listing all this because it's to be expected, and I know Hellstorm had discussions about it. In my opinion, it's going to be extremely tough to police this unless we're harsh and say anything other than Level 1 is an automatic DQ, which means both our squads would be out. It might be simpler to do only [STARTER FIT] with no modifications. This will eliminate some roles and weapons, but it might also eliminate any confusion. We need to test it. No matter what, this was a ton of fun with new tactics, and it's definitely worth doing more tests to set up a tournament. Thanks, Hellstorm. Great fun!
Arcturis Vanguard SyNergy Gaming EoN. 81	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:55:00 - [54] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: VicBoss wrote: To be honest the simplest and best way to do this is just started fits, no change to the fits whatsoever. I move for ONLY MLT starter suits. That will be the most fun That is definitely an option. Once we get more corps interested, I say we put it to a quick and easy vote. I'm all for it, though. Corps build their teams with role specific specialities. At standard level, every player can employ their specfic talents because their gear is accessible. If you enforce a MLT only policy, you could potentially force a player out of their role and performance will suffer. I would say that ISK varients are only used absolutely no aurum gear. I imagine that the point ofthis tournament of yous is to show off individual skill and corp ability without a gear advantage. With standard level gear, all plaayers within a corp can participate and fulfill what they have been training themselves to do. No discrimination. However, pilots will be left out to dry with your no vehicles. I dont mind seeing militia tanks or dropships as these are vital tactics that all corps.must imploy to be competitive at any level. Standard level modules would be fine. Though i also understand why you dont want to see a tank, they can easily turn the tide of a battle IF AV isnt present to challange their asserted authority. These are just my thoughts and i hope others agree with me.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1683	Posted - 2013.09.10 14:16:00 - [55] - Quote Hmm. This is going to be hard to police. 1. It's easy to spot ADV and PRO weapons on the killfeed. We can DQ those players for the remainder of the tournament. 2. It's to spot PRO suits and we can DQ those players as well. 3. It's less easy to spot ADV suits. 4. It is impossible to spot ADV & PRO modules. So why not allow only meta 1 weapons & equipment, only ADV suits, and any modules? This should prevent people from cheating, and allow us to easily DQ those who try to cheat. On a side note, my guys absolutely had a blast. They are all very for the tournament.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1683	Posted - 2013.09.10 14:17:00 - [56] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Corps build their teams with role specific specialities. At standard level, every player can employ their specfic talents because their gear is accessible. If you enforce a MLT only policy, you could potentially force a player out of their role and performance will suffer. I would say that ISK varients are only used absolutely no aurum gear. Meta level 1 : militia & standard
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 214	Posted - 2013.09.10 16:12:00 - [57] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: kiarbanor wrote: VicBoss wrote: To be honest the simplest and best way to do this is just started fits, no change to the fits whatsoever. I move for ONLY MLT starter suits. That will be the most fun That is definitely an option. Once we get more corps interested, I say we put it to a quick and easy vote. I'm all for it, though. Corps build their teams with role specific specialities. At standard level, every player can employ their specfic talents because their gear is accessible. If you enforce a MLT only policy, you could potentially force a player out of their role and performance will suffer. I would say that ISK varients are only used absolutely no aurum gear. I imagine that the point ofthis tournament of yous is to show off individual skill and corp ability without a gear advantage. With standard level gear, all plaayers within a corp can participate and fulfill what they have been training themselves to do. No discrimination. However, pilots will be left out to dry with your no vehicles. I dont mind seeing militia tanks or dropships as these are vital tactics that all corps.must imploy to be competitive at any level. Standard level modules would be fine. Though i also understand why you dont want to see a tank, they can easily turn the tide of a battle IF AV isnt present to challange their asserted authority. These are just my thoughts and i hope others agree with me. Actually, the main purpose is to have fun. By switching up and allowing only [STARTER FIT] or Level 1 gear, it completely changes up tactics and strategies. I noticed last night it even changes squad makeup. Let me repeat, last night was a ton of fun. We died a lot; so, that's something to note from this experience. And not having vehicles was interesting from the GET GO: no LAVs to worry about; no spawn links on the top of buildings; no tanks coming in and dominating. This was all about team work on the ground. By the way, Hellstorm, sorry we couldn't field a full team. We still tried to give it our best, but it's harder and harder to get 16 on these days. A lot of people are interested in other games. As for your ideas, Iskandar, they are definitely things to consider. I want to first try the all [STARTER FIT] battle and see how that works. Rules will be no vehicles, and you can't do any modifications to the original fits. By this I mean, you can't even swap out an injector for a militia nanohive. This will add another element to the game, one where mercs aren't in control of their fits. How will that change up tactics/strategies? Who can adapt best? I'm interested to see how this shakes out. After we try that, then we can come back again and make a final vote. And there's nothing to say we can't run multiple tournaments if we find out we enjoyed different styles. We'll get our clones back and try this again. The Generals, we need to set something up, too.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1683	Posted - 2013.09.10 17:13:00 - [58] - Quote TBH I hate the idea of [STARTER FIT] only. Why? I don't have a single point into Gallente AR and I hate full auto weapons. If the starter fits were more interesting I would absolutely be ok with this. I can run it by Hellstorm but I doubt it will be well recieved.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 1151	Posted - 2013.09.10 17:25:00 - [59] - Quote if you do standard lvl you will suffer from heavy spam...cause they will be the only ones with 500+ ehp...actually they will have close to double that with no problem.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1683	Posted - 2013.09.10 17:33:00 - [60] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: if you do standard lvl you will suffer from heavy spam...cause they will be the only ones with 500+ ehp...actually they will have close to double that with no problem. Yes, there were a lot of heavies but no LAVs to move them around quickly. That meant once you push them out of a CQC environment they have to run their fat ass through the open, or make it to a heavily camped supply depot to change into a heavy fit, or wait for new uplinks. It was definitively a different sort of battle than most of us were used to.



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