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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:14:00 -
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In 1.6 please add more content, it seems as if 1.5 and 1.6 are re-balancing patches with some drips of content, but please could you fill the rest of the weapon and dropsuit slots, and also open the market? I am really bored of playing this game, and absolutely nothing in 1.4 gives me desire to return to playing, 1.5 is also heading that way. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1149
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:15:00 -
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do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
466
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:17:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day Out of which they work 8 :D |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
393
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:17:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again?
GTFO
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Nguruthos IX
Vagina Bombers
1200
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:18:00 -
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1.6
Pilot suits Dropship cloaking if this didn't make it to 1.5 new turrets (including laser) other racial vehicles vehicle locks Heavy Aircraft Vehicle + MAV
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:19:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day
New content.
dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO
2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7880
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:29:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day New content. dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption.
An outpost can take up to 4 months to build based on what I've seen. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1423
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:30:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day
You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
366
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:53:00 -
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actually add balance add balance seems to be industry standard.
look at closed alphas and betas.
so many people have complained that the "core Mechanics" are missing, and to most people that seems to be aiming and frames per second :P
we have over half the announced infantry weapons in game?
we have representatives of each of the size grouped vehicles, Light Medium Large?
sounds like core mechanics to me. Balance what we have, then we at least have a metric when something new is added. The more often the devs rebalance for new content, the more tools they'll have at their disposal, figuratively and literally.
imho >.< |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
761
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:54:00 -
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Anyone know what's int 1.8? |
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1152
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again.
In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
271
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Posted - 2013.08.29 10:12:00 -
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Yea id rather CCP finished the game, or at least finish what is expected at this level than **** around for years trying to find a balance over crap which frankly will be getting dropped once new stuff is released anyway. f
They are going the long way for a shortcut. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1294
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Posted - 2013.08.29 10:40:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:In 1.6 please add more content, it seems as if 1.5 and 1.6 are re-balancing patches with some drips of content, but please could you fill the rest of the weapon and dropsuit slots, and also open the market? I am really bored of playing this game, and absolutely nothing in 1.4 gives me desire to return to playing, 1.5 is also heading that way. There is a reason as to why this game has attained low ratings.
What is the point in dedicating patches to balancing, when half of the content isn't even in the game? Surely it would make sense to add the core of everything and then balance it?
1.5 will contain some new weapons, maybe Dev said it not me. As for 1.6 if they hit the nail in the head with tanks in 1.5 they will probably use that new found knowledge and apply it to dropsuits and give them a complete balance, if they have enough time they will probably balance all the weapons in 1.6 or 1.7 once they finish tanks, dropsuits, and weapons there isn't any balancing left. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1294
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Posted - 2013.08.29 10:41:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Yea id rather CCP finished the game, or at least finish what is expected at this level than **** around for years trying to find a balance over crap which frankly will be getting dropped once new stuff is released anyway. f
They are going the long way for a shortcut.
It took CCP 10 years to finally try and balance shields v armor in EVE. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1159
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Posted - 2013.08.29 10:42:00 -
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trust me, CCP loves new content just as much as we do. They also play the game.
This is why we have awesome **** like inertia dampeners and rocket pistols. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1235
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Posted - 2013.08.29 10:49:00 -
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New content? Have you seriously tried every single possible fit in-game yet? The amount of content currently found in-game is quite formidable.
Have you tried every single weapon? Every single vehicle? Every single module?
Or perhaps you're sick of the grind that is required to attain those new items? Hmm, there are many solutions to that problem. (tiercide)
However, the community seems to be divided into the "HTFU AND GRIND, PRINCESS" group or the "CCP GIVE US RESPECS OR GAME WILL DIE" group, and refuse to see the merit in a system which fits nicely between the two extremes. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1159
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Posted - 2013.08.29 10:54:00 -
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its not about finding a nice little system for all the boys and girls, it is for the most part a copy of EVE, and that isnt going away.... |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1389
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day New content. dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. An outpost can take up to 4 months to build based on what I've seen.
I really don't want to sound like a **** here, but that is incredibly slow work compared to the rest of the industry. If one person did like everything, I could see that...but... what the hell, don't they have teams? |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1161
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:10:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I really don't want to sound like a **** here, but that is incredibly slow work compared to the rest of the industry. If one person did like everything, I could see that...but... what the hell, don't they have teams?
not like EA or activision they dont
other companies build a game and then put resources to the next one. CCP is funding two full games full time, with no end to content generation in sight. on top of that, we keep screaming at them for balances |
CrotchGrab 360
High-Damage
219
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:30:00 -
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to be fair there is a lot of content in this game we just need more maps and modes. and I know maps are coming. |
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Exardor
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:48:00 -
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Well CCP is "fixing" and "rebalancing" EvE since 2 1/2 years (plus more to come!)
I'm a pessimist. So i expect the same. |
SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
178
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:54:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:In 1.6 please add more content, it seems as if 1.5 and 1.6 are re-balancing patches with some drips of content, but please could you fill the rest of the weapon and dropsuit slots, and also open the market? I am really bored of playing this game, and absolutely nothing in 1.4 gives me desire to return to playing, 1.5 is also heading that way. There is a reason as to why this game has attained low ratings.
What is the point in dedicating patches to balancing, when half of the content isn't even in the game? Surely it would make sense to add the core of everything and then balance it?
this guy does make a point..
in the fanfest KEY NOTE the content annoucements for the next 6 months/1.6 included
-all racial suits .caldari scout .caldari heavy .gallante heavy .minmitar heavy .amrr scout -all racial knives
-all racial pistols
-all racial rifles
-pilot and commando suit
-snow blizzard maps
-gallante RDV
-caldari MAV
-gallante MAV
-caldari speeder
-gallante speeder
-PVE drones
all i have seen from the announcement is a squishy heavy... and the executive producer who made these announcements has been fired..
i didnt even bother mentioning fighters for the fact that it seems like a distance mythical creature years in the future. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
37
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:55:00 -
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This actually a discussion that came up in my game programming course,
Is it better to balance what already exsists, or add more and balance the lot together?
In my class the general consensus was to balance what is already there first, this effectively creates a yard stick for other weapons to be compared against!! Think about it, if the mass driver was as it is now, when the flaylock was released do you think it still would have been overpowered??
They balanced the flaylock orginal of the fact that the MD was doing poorly, so they made it strong, once they fixed the md they realised it was infact overpowered because it had been balanced based on data from a weapon that was having issues!! |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
105
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:01:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:In 1.6 please add more content, it seems as if 1.5 and 1.6 are re-balancing patches with some drips of content, but please could you fill the rest of the weapon and dropsuit slots, and also open the market? I am really bored of playing this game, and absolutely nothing in 1.4 gives me desire to return to playing, 1.5 is also heading that way. There is a reason as to why this game has attained low ratings.
What is the point in dedicating patches to balancing, when half of the content isn't even in the game? Surely it would make sense to add the core of everything and then balance it? You realize that mostly 1.6 will never happen, as around that time is when the next expansion should be happening?
Going by the stuff leaked some of the weapons will coming in the next expansion (can't wait for the MagSec ).
This same thing happened about 1 to 2 months before Uprising, which revealed the release of the Scrambler Rifle, Flaylock Pistol, and the Plasma Cannon.
Considering the sheer amount of stuff that came with Uprising that wasn't leaked though, I would say that the next expansion is exactly what you are waiting for. |
Toyboi
Seraphim Initiative..
105
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day New content. dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. An outpost can take up to 4 months to build based on what I've seen.
So you where looking at a map designer making maps with hes left ear to the keybord? get good ccp |
StarCrash II
Firefly Shipping co.
28
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:38:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:In 1.6 please add more content, it seems as if 1.5 and 1.6 are re-balancing patches with some drips of content, but please could you fill the rest of the weapon and dropsuit slots, and also open the market? I am really bored of playing this game, and absolutely nothing in 1.4 gives me desire to return to playing, 1.5 is also heading that way. There is a reason as to why this game has attained low ratings.
What is the point in dedicating patches to balancing, when half of the content isn't even in the game? Surely it would make sense to add the core of everything and then balance it? this guy does make a point.. in the fanfest KEY NOTE the content annoucements for the next 6 months/1.6 included -all racial suits .caldari scout .caldari heavy .gallante heavy .minmitar heavy .amrr scout -all racial knives -all racial pistols -all racial rifles -pilot and commando suit -snow blizzard maps -gallante RDV -caldari MAV -gallante MAV -caldari speeder -gallante speeder -PVE drones all i have seen from the announcement is a squishy heavy... and the executive producer who made these announcements has been fired.. i didnt even bother mentioning fighters for the fact that it seems like a distance mythical creature years in the future.
You should read the forums more a dev stated in a thread weeks ago that the plan they told us about at fanfest has changed due to uprising breaking stuff and so they were focused on fix that 1st
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:38:00 -
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Personally I feel the introduction of player to player trading or a two way marketplace would greatly enhance the game, even though it is more "meta-game" than anything else. I'm sure people's asset banks are bursting with extra things. |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
400
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Posted - 2013.08.30 01:43:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. So you'll burn through it in 1 day? Or 3 days?
No difference, sorry if my use of the '2' confused you. Maybe I should have used 'a few days' instead. |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
234
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Posted - 2013.08.30 03:45:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day
Both.
You can do it if you have two groups, each working on a different project.
A bunch of new maps would go a long way to settling people down.
Munch |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
234
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Posted - 2013.08.30 03:46:00 -
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Double post, sorry. |
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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
255
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:22:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day
Content.
No. Both! Content and smaller balance patches. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1380
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:28:00 -
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I've been wanting more content over balance fixes for a long time. I've always felt that for the most part Dust's gameplay has been really solid, it just needs more stuff to keep it interesting. Instead we get people grossly exaggerating the severity of certain balance issues and that becomes all CCP focuses on. Don't get me wrong, I've liked everything CCP has done with the updates and its all very much appreciated, but how long are we going to focus on balancing every minute detail before we add more content? Because you can work on balancing for 100 years and still have something left to balance. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1442
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:43:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such.
However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
255
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such. However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment.
Adamance you wonGÇÖt get much support from this forum for this. This forum is full of trolls or fan boys who like ANYTHING that CCP do. The people who would support you and me on the more-content-train are not here. They stop playing a very long time ago. A lot never logged in seeing the Meta critic and a very big part of the community never visits the forums. So try to imagine now what kind of "feedback" CCP is getting from these forums. The amount of quality feedback is very small and comes from fan boys and some hardliner. I know personally 7 people who stopped playing Dust and turn to other shooters not because of ISK or complexity, they went because its ******* boring.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1444
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:42:00 -
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meri jin wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such. However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment. Adamance you wonGÇÖt get much support from this forum for this. This forum is full of trolls or fan boys who like ANYTHING that CCP do. The people who would support you and me on the more-content-train are not here. They stop playing a very long time ago. A lot never logged in seeing the Meta critic and a very big part of the community never visits the forums. So try to imagine now what kind of "feedback" CCP is getting from these forums. The amount of quality feedback is very small and comes from fan boys and some hardliner. I know personally 7 people who stopped playing Dust and turn to other shooters not because of ISK or complexity, they went because its ******* boring. I was a fanboi.
Then I got rolled over and over again by CCP now I'm jaded. Now I drive a supped up soma its fun. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
301
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:18:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. So you'll burn through it in 1 day? Or 3 days? No difference, sorry if my use of the '2' confused you. Maybe I should have used 'a few days' instead.
I'd have said the same if you had said a month... I won't get bored of new content that quickly, and even then, a new proper game mode with sophisticated battles and dedicated factional warfare with proper rewards would keep me occupied for a very long time. Right now there is nothing to aim for...
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens
413
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:42:00 -
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meri jin wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such. However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment. Adamance you wonGÇÖt get much support from this forum for this. This forum is full of trolls or fan boys who like ANYTHING that CCP do. The people who would support you and me on the more-content-train are not here. They stop playing a very long time ago. A lot never logged in seeing the Meta critic and a very big part of the community never visits the forums. So try to imagine now what kind of "feedback" CCP is getting from these forums. The amount of quality feedback is very small and comes from fan boys and some hardliner. I know personally 7 people who stopped playing Dust and turn to other shooters not because of ISK or complexity, they went because its ******* boring. Compelling way to make your case there. Calling everyone that doesn't whines like a little baby girl a 'fanboy'
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Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:42:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:CCP is funding two full games full time, with no end to content generation in sight. Slightly off-topic- not sure what you mean by "full games" but it's actually four, not two.
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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
255
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:43:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. So you'll burn through it in 1 day? Or 3 days? No difference, sorry if my use of the '2' confused you. Maybe I should have used 'a few days' instead. I'd have said the same if you had said a month... I won't get bored of new content that quickly, and even then, a new proper game mode with sophisticated battles and dedicated factional warfare with proper rewards would keep me occupied for a very long time. Right now there is nothing to aim for...
Content ist one thing missing in this game, more players is the other thing. I sometimes see the names of players over and over again. The pool of active players must be very small. New player wount come online as it is now, why should they? |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
413
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:37:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. So you'll burn through it in 1 day? Or 3 days? No difference, sorry if my use of the '2' confused you. Maybe I should have used 'a few days' instead. I'd have said the same if you had said a month... I won't get bored of new content that quickly, and even then, a new proper game mode with sophisticated battles and dedicated factional warfare with proper rewards would keep me occupied for a very long time. Right now there is nothing to aim for... AFAIK, CCP has a relatively small team (small in the sense of when you compare to big names like EA etc.) working on Dust. Think 2-6 people per team, with each team working on different aspects. Each aspect covers a huge area. Just as an example, for someone working on new dropsuits, they would have to: 1. Design stats - including slots and fittings, as well as other stats as we know it 2. Balance dropsuits against weapons 3. Balance dropsuits against current available dropsuits 4. Find a role for suits, find a few different roles and fittings for them, because no one wants cookie cutter fits
Then that goes to the art department etc.
I'm not finding excuses for the slow pace, but before you begin with new stuff, the old stuff has to be at the very least semi-balanced.
TBH, I'm happy with the current dropsuits and weapons we have, and rather CCP took their time sorting out the kinks of the existing stuff rather than bring in stuff that turns out to be massively OP or UP, which just means more time put into re-balancing them again later.
My 2 cents. |
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