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meri jin
Goonfeet
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:22:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day
Content.
No. Both! Content and smaller balance patches. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1380
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:28:00 -
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I've been wanting more content over balance fixes for a long time. I've always felt that for the most part Dust's gameplay has been really solid, it just needs more stuff to keep it interesting. Instead we get people grossly exaggerating the severity of certain balance issues and that becomes all CCP focuses on. Don't get me wrong, I've liked everything CCP has done with the updates and its all very much appreciated, but how long are we going to focus on balancing every minute detail before we add more content? Because you can work on balancing for 100 years and still have something left to balance. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1442
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:43:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing.
Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such.
However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment. |
meri jin
Goonfeet
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such. However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment.
Adamance you wonGÇÖt get much support from this forum for this.
This forum is full of trolls or fan boys who like ANYTHING that CCP do.
The people who would support you and me on the more-content-train are not here. They stop playing a very long time ago. A lot never logged in seeing the Meta critic and a very big part of the community never visits the forums. So try to imagine now what kind of "feedback" CCP is getting from these forums.
The amount of quality feedback is very small and comes from fan boys and some hardliner. I know personally 7 people who stopped playing Dust and turn to other shooters not because of ISK or complexity, they went because its ******* boring.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1444
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:42:00 -
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meri jin wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such. However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment. Adamance you wonGÇÖt get much support from this forum for this. This forum is full of trolls or fan boys who like ANYTHING that CCP do. The people who would support you and me on the more-content-train are not here. They stop playing a very long time ago. A lot never logged in seeing the Meta critic and a very big part of the community never visits the forums. So try to imagine now what kind of "feedback" CCP is getting from these forums. The amount of quality feedback is very small and comes from fan boys and some hardliner. I know personally 7 people who stopped playing Dust and turn to other shooters not because of ISK or complexity, they went because its ******* boring.
I was a fanboi.
Then I got rolled over and over again by CCP now I'm jaded.
Now I drive a supped up soma its fun. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
301
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:18:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. So you'll burn through it in 1 day? Or 3 days? No difference, sorry if my use of the '2' confused you. Maybe I should have used 'a few days' instead.
I'd have said the same if you had said a month... I won't get bored of new content that quickly, and even then, a new proper game mode with sophisticated battles and dedicated factional warfare with proper rewards would keep me occupied for a very long time. Right now there is nothing to aim for...
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:42:00 -
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meri jin wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:do you want new content or balancing? there are 24 hours in a day You need the content to allow for balancing. you cant balance then add more ****, then balance over and over again. In a game like Dust with an MMO-style development plan, you have to. There is no end-content. There will constantly be more. Accept this. This is a good thing. Yes but this is CORE content not expansion content. These tanks, dropsuits and weapons are all related to one another in terms of core balancing. I could understand this if it were factionalised content such as Sansha's nation laser rifles, tanks, and such, or Gurista's figthers or some such. However these are the four primary dropsuits , vehicles, and weapons of the four primary races of dust and all of these things were not provided to the community upon release to test within the sandbox environment. Adamance you wonGÇÖt get much support from this forum for this. This forum is full of trolls or fan boys who like ANYTHING that CCP do. The people who would support you and me on the more-content-train are not here. They stop playing a very long time ago. A lot never logged in seeing the Meta critic and a very big part of the community never visits the forums. So try to imagine now what kind of "feedback" CCP is getting from these forums. The amount of quality feedback is very small and comes from fan boys and some hardliner. I know personally 7 people who stopped playing Dust and turn to other shooters not because of ISK or complexity, they went because its ******* boring.
Compelling way to make your case there. Calling everyone that doesn't whines like a little baby girl a 'fanboy'
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Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
Orion Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:42:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:CCP is funding two full games full time, with no end to content generation in sight. Slightly off-topic- not sure what you mean by "full games" but it's actually four, not two.
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meri jin
Goonfeet
Top Men.
255
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:43:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. So you'll burn through it in 1 day? Or 3 days? No difference, sorry if my use of the '2' confused you. Maybe I should have used 'a few days' instead. I'd have said the same if you had said a month... I won't get bored of new content that quickly, and even then, a new proper game mode with sophisticated battles and dedicated factional warfare with proper rewards would keep me occupied for a very long time. Right now there is nothing to aim for...
Content ist one thing missing in this game, more players is the other thing.
I sometimes see the names of players over and over again. The pool of active players must be very small.
New player wount come online as it is now, why should they? |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens
413
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:37:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I am really bored of playing this game So CCP should add some half arsed content that you'll burn through in about 2 days tops and come back on here to whine about how you're bored again? GTFO 2 days? Please don't flatter me with cute assumption. So you'll burn through it in 1 day? Or 3 days? No difference, sorry if my use of the '2' confused you. Maybe I should have used 'a few days' instead. I'd have said the same if you had said a month... I won't get bored of new content that quickly, and even then, a new proper game mode with sophisticated battles and dedicated factional warfare with proper rewards would keep me occupied for a very long time. Right now there is nothing to aim for...
AFAIK, CCP has a relatively small team (small in the sense of when you compare to big names like EA etc.) working on Dust. Think 2-6 people per team, with each team working on different aspects. Each aspect covers a huge area. Just as an example, for someone working on new dropsuits, they would have to:
1. Design stats - including slots and fittings, as well as other stats as we know it
2. Balance dropsuits against weapons
3. Balance dropsuits against current available dropsuits
4. Find a role for suits, find a few different roles and fittings for them, because no one wants cookie cutter fits
Then that goes to the art department etc.
I'm not finding excuses for the slow pace, but before you begin with new stuff, the old stuff has to be at the very least semi-balanced.
TBH, I'm happy with the current dropsuits and weapons we have, and rather CCP took their time sorting out the kinks of the existing stuff rather than bring in stuff that turns out to be massively OP or UP, which just means more time put into re-balancing them again later.
My 2 cents. |
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