DUST Search - Tank vs AV

Lurchasaurus wrote:

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Ted Nugget wrote:

and fyi i didnt ask for a buff.... i asked for a better playing field rather than some ass hat going on top of a building that i have no chance to kill him

I hear you, snipers are pretty much the identical to AV at a distance for tankers, I would imagine. Getting hit from some unknown direction and having a large chunk of health instantly taken away, and 100% unable to fight back. Popping out of cover only to be hit again, forcing us to be dormant or try to find another spot.

You get CCP to do something about these snipers vs us distance AVer's and I may sympathize with your situation. Until then, we have our problems with invisible snipers from unknown locations distance plunking us, and you have you're issues with invisible AV distance plunking you. Guess that makes us even.

no, it doesnt. people can counter snipers. they have no health. infantry cant counter sniper a heavy with a thousand health when you just pull back and sit on a nanohive and uplinks. snipers cant snipe tanks. forges top the kill charts.


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DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1124	Posted - 2013.08.29 05:17:00 - [1] - Quote Ted Nugget wrote: As long as AV can get on top of buildings and shoot all the way to the ground there will be no balance. Why stand on the ground and fight a tank when you can just go to the top of a building and spam av from nano hives from that one spot until you blow up said tank. This is why I really am hoping that I get a respec. No matter how you do av vs. tanks av will always win because they have the option of gettin higher ground which, 1 the game doesnt render what is on top of building from inside tank, 2 i couldnt shoot that far if i wanted to.. 3 can i have a respec? i honestly would love nothing more than to spec out of vehicles i have lost more money than tanks are worth no doubt I took out one of your tanks last night in ambush (on an alt). I didn't do it alone though, there was at least one other forge gunner taking shots at you as well. Was I on a building? Yes. Was that a cheap move? No. But why? Any suit, even a heavy, stands no chance against a tank with 2-3 gunners (heck even one gunner in a blaster can take out any suit in the blink of an eye). So if you expect somebody to perform a Tiananmen Square move against you because that is more "fair", think again. Anything I can do to make it harder for you to find and kill me, the better. Plus if I am on a building and out of sight, I am a lot less vulnerable to all the infantry roaming the grounds below with AR's that can insta-kill me. One thing you don't realize, if we are high up, it actually makes it easier for you to get in cover. All you had to do last night to save your tank and it's gunners, was to back up a good 10 feet to get underneath the lip of the building, and I wouldn't have been able to make any shots. But like most tankers out there, you expect to be invincible so you go rushing out into the open, even after being hit with several forge shots a few seconds prior. And BTW, stay out of bush with your tanks, it's players like you that ruin that mode and make players hate tankers even more. Stay in skirmish where tanks and the majority of vehicles belong. Otherwise you're just going to keep pissing people off by using an OP crutch (yes, in ambush tanks are very OP) and the overpowering ring of "nerf tanks" will resonate louder than you guys saying "buff tanks".
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1124	Posted - 2013.08.29 05:48:00 - [2] - Quote Ted Nugget wrote: first off tanks in ambush isnt very smart... i mean its bad enough when i get 3 guys after me but in ambush i get an entire team... i usually lose tanks in ambush and i have never even liked the game mode... so its not players like me... if you think i play ambush ask around in my corp and find out that i HATE ambush... i like an objective based game mode I see quite a lot of successful tankers owning face in bush, probably because the maps are smaller, which makes it harder for forge and swarmers to find a 'perch' which forces us to get in close (which results in a quick death). And even if there is a good place to go, it may take a while to reach it and the matches are over in about 7 mins. So by the time we get to a nice spot, the tank has either moved on or the match is over. Plus since the area is more condensed, tankers can often stick with their blob of teammates, making it a living hell trying to get AV close enough to the tank or to reach the right spot without dying to infantry. And lastly, since it is ambush, players are expecting to fight other infantry, not vehicles (although that attitude has changed a lot as of late due to all the vehicle abuse in bush). Over the last few nights I have seen you and a few other SVER players in bush pretty often. One match it seemed like your entire team was rolling around in LLAV's, it was brutal being on the other side.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1124	Posted - 2013.08.29 05:56:00 - [3] - Quote Ted Nugget wrote: and fyi i didnt ask for a buff.... i asked for a better playing field rather than some ass hat going on top of a building that i have no chance to kill him I hear you, snipers are pretty much the identical to AV at a distance for tankers, I would imagine. Getting hit from some unknown direction and having a large chunk of health instantly taken away, and 100% unable to fight back. Popping out of cover only to be hit again, forcing us to be dormant or try to find another spot. You get CCP to do something about these snipers vs us distance AVer's and I may sympathize with your situation. Until then, we have our problems with invisible snipers from unknown locations distance plunking us, and you have you're issues with invisible AV distance plunking you. Guess that makes us even.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1124	Posted - 2013.08.29 06:12:00 - [4] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Ted Nugget wrote: and fyi i didnt ask for a buff.... i asked for a better playing field rather than some ass hat going on top of a building that i have no chance to kill him I hear you, snipers are pretty much the identical to AV at a distance for tankers, I would imagine. Getting hit from some unknown direction and having a large chunk of health instantly taken away, and 100% unable to fight back. Popping out of cover only to be hit again, forcing us to be dormant or try to find another spot. You get CCP to do something about these snipers vs us distance AVer's and I may sympathize with your situation. Until then, we have our problems with invisible snipers from unknown locations distance plunking us, and you have you're issues with invisible AV distance plunking you. Guess that makes us even. no, it doesnt. people can counter snipers. they have no health. infantry cant counter sniper a heavy with a thousand health when you just pull back and sit on a nanohive and uplinks. snipers cant snipe tanks. forges top the kill charts. People can counter AV too, and it happens all the time when I am a heavy forge gunner. Most of the time it isn't the tank or vehicle that counters me, it's the other infantry who are close-by. Same goes for a sniper vs a forge gunner. Snipers are often too far out for me to hit (or see), and if that sniper is specifically hunting me, there is no way in hell I could line up a long distance shot (if the sniper is in range) before he puts 4-5 rounds into my head. And if I have swarms? 100% vulnerable to a sniper. Not to mention 99% of the time I have absolutely no idea where the sniper even is. HUD hit detection markers are pretty much useless when it comes to snipers. I just see a crap ton of health drop and hope I run away in the right direction to get out of his line-of-sight. Snipers to a forge gunner is the same as forge gunners to a tanker, in almost every aspect.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1124	Posted - 2013.08.29 06:20:00 - [5] - Quote Ted Nugget wrote: i dont like ambush.... simply said... im not goin to try to explain to you that i dont like callin in tanks in ambush im a shield tank not an armor tank that can actually tank... i play what my squad puts me in... i dont spam tanks in ambush.... this isnt about me.... this is about why av can spam me from the top of buildings... with all this being said i just wanna spec out of them so i can run infantry 100% my 15 mil sp would be much better put into infantry Yeah, the only match I saw you bring in a tank was that one (and heck, maybe you were just riding along in it I dunno, although I swore that your name popped up first on the kill-feed). But any tank in bush, unless it's another tank to counter a tank the enemy team brought in, is destroying that mode. So I am glad you don't make a habit of it. But yeah, I sort of feel the same way with my Calogi suit that got over-nerfed. Heck, I haven't played this account for a month or longer (I AFK it) just because the suit to me is crap now (plus I got bored of the AR). Which is why I play an alt so I can try other things and get an idea of what I want to spend the 2+ million SP I have been building up on my main, cause I know CCP isn't going to give me a respec. So I just have to save up until I can afford something else. So I'm with you on the respec.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1124	Posted - 2013.08.29 06:25:00 - [6] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: honestly, in the current state of the game, if you are tower forging and still getting sniped, thats no ones fault but your own I can count on one hand how many times I have tower forged, it's pretty great but pretty rare somebody has an uplink there or I get a ride. But are you trying to say being on the tower somehow makes players impervious to sniper fire? They can easily reach that height, and even if they can't kill the heavy up there, the heavy has little chance of doing anything productive if he is being camped by a sniper and gets popped every time he sticks his head out.