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Baal Roo wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Baal Roo wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

My last statement that you quoted is truth. If you feel that you are good and belong to a corp that's good, you may want to grab a district to call your own.

"may"

You "may" want to grab a district to call your own.

You also may not. You might simply find PC to be a joyless and bland experience full of FOTM min-maxing.

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Because you know that you can defend your district against (at least) some of the corps and conquer a few others. But if you look at the pc map and know that you can't beat most of the corps, then you may not care about it. STB probably has the most active players and what is the general concensus of their clan? Are there more people who wish to pc or more that don't care about it?

Well again, my own corp has 300+ active members and we have trouble finding 16 people to play PC battles.

"may" is my point. None of us can say for certain what the majority of the community is feeling based on our corp member's desires.

So it seems we agree then?

The very large majority of the community does not participate in PC for various reasons, and participation (or lack thereof) in PC does not really clearly indicate the level of a particular player or corp's skill.

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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2510	Posted - 2013.09.08 07:39:00 - [31] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Baal Roo wrote: If people in Subdreddit want to play PC, it's their own responsibility to make it happen. Many different people have attempted to put together more "serious" groups, but no one ever shows. The overwhelming consensus is that PC is garbage. For example, as I type this, we have a PC battle in about 10 minutes. We've got about 35 players online. They can't get 16 people to play the battle. So again, if there are people in Subdreddit interested in PC, they need to either step up and get involved, or find another corp they are more comfortable in. It's just that simple. I wouldn't say that you're echoing the majority of the playerbase. You may be echoing the majority of your clan members, however. Well, that's quite certainly possible as well. However, I do think my corporation has a much higher percentage of casual and semi-casual players than most, including yours. I think the sentiment in Subdreddit is probably somewhat closer to that of the blueberry majority than the sentiment you'd be exposed to in Ahrendee or TP. That's not meant as an insult to your guys, or mine, it just is what it is. We do have a contingency of "serious" players, but many end up leaving for more "serious" corp rather than trying to build a team from here. We've got many old members in just about every major PC corp in the game. Some people prefer the exclusivity and structure provided in those corps, and that's okay. Quote: Because out of all the people in my corp, only 2 prefers not to play pc. Everyone else, despite qualifications, sp, roles, and experience wishes to play in all of our pc matches. I've had people join because their corp is not interested in pc, etc. But you see, that last sentence above is my point. You guys have a reputation for being a PC corp. You have that reputation because it's relatively easy to figure out which corps are into PC, because there are so few of you. People in your corp want to play PC, because your corp is one that attracts people who want to play PC. How many people do you guys have in EoN? 1300 or so? How many did we manage to wrangle up for the FEC? Maybe 800? And that's counting every single person in each of the involved corps. How many more would you say there are of corps that actually care about PC? Another 1000 if we're being generous? So, there's maybe what, 3000 people who are even in corporations that participate in PC at all? It's safe to say not everyone in those corporations give a **. Look at my corp, we're 300 strong and sometimes have trouble finding 16 people willing to play. We can have 40 guys online, and they have to beg people to join to fill the matches. Hell, how many PC battles get scheduled in a day? If we take a quick look at rust415, it looks like there's currently 43 districts under attack. That's 1300 players set to participate in PC ffor the next 47 hours... or approximately 28 players per hour. So, let's just be generous and give the average player count per hour at 3000 (much lower than it actually is). That means a whopping 1% of players are participating in PC at any given time. I don't know about you, but to me, 1% seems like a pretty low percentage of interest in the mode. Do you really believe the people playing PC are the top 1% of FPS players who play the game? Or could it maybe be that the way Dust 514 is designed is antithetical to the gameplay dynamic present in the mode, and thus the vast majority of the playerbase is skipping it entirely? Quote: If I had to guess, corps that feel like they can compete, do so. Others may have accepted their position and are just casual. Then there are those that can't compete with anyone on any level but still try (which is commendable). As brilliantly passive aggressive as that statement is, I have to say I think it's complete horse **.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1900	Posted - 2013.09.08 08:40:00 - [32] - Quote My point is we really don't know the reason why others aren't in pc and we can't make assumptions based on the behaviors of players in our respective corps. What I do know is that most corps can't field the players. I also know that some corps have tried to break in, got smashed and never tried again. There are many casuals that play this game and I would say that they outnumber the hardcores. But many of them don't visit the forums either. Just because they are casuals, doesn't mean that they wouldn't want to play in pc matches, etc. My last statement that you quoted is truth. If you feel that you are good and belong to a corp that's good, you may want to grab a district to call your own. Because you know that you can defend your district against (at least) some of the corps and conquer a few others. But if you look at the pc map and know that you can't beat most of the corps, then you may not care about it. STB probably has the most active players and what is the general concensus of their clan? Are there more people who wish to pc or more that don't care about it?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2514	Posted - 2013.09.09 00:23:00 - [33] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: My last statement that you quoted is truth. If you feel that you are good and belong to a corp that's good, you may want to grab a district to call your own. "may" You "may" want to grab a district to call your own. You also may not. You might simply find PC to be a joyless and bland experience full of FOTM min-maxing. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Because you know that you can defend your district against (at least) some of the corps and conquer a few others. But if you look at the pc map and know that you can't beat most of the corps, then you may not care about it. STB probably has the most active players and what is the general concensus of their clan? Are there more people who wish to pc or more that don't care about it? Well again, my own corp has 300+ active members and we have trouble finding 16 people to play PC battles.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1903	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:06:00 - [34] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: My last statement that you quoted is truth. If you feel that you are good and belong to a corp that's good, you may want to grab a district to call your own. "may" You "may" want to grab a district to call your own. You also may not. You might simply find PC to be a joyless and bland experience full of FOTM min-maxing. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Because you know that you can defend your district against (at least) some of the corps and conquer a few others. But if you look at the pc map and know that you can't beat most of the corps, then you may not care about it. STB probably has the most active players and what is the general concensus of their clan? Are there more people who wish to pc or more that don't care about it? Well again, my own corp has 300+ active members and we have trouble finding 16 people to play PC battles. "may" is my point. None of us can say for certain what the majority of the community is feeling based on our corp member's desires.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2533	Posted - 2013.09.09 06:29:00 - [35] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: My last statement that you quoted is truth. If you feel that you are good and belong to a corp that's good, you may want to grab a district to call your own. "may" You "may" want to grab a district to call your own. You also may not. You might simply find PC to be a joyless and bland experience full of FOTM min-maxing. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Because you know that you can defend your district against (at least) some of the corps and conquer a few others. But if you look at the pc map and know that you can't beat most of the corps, then you may not care about it. STB probably has the most active players and what is the general concensus of their clan? Are there more people who wish to pc or more that don't care about it? Well again, my own corp has 300+ active members and we have trouble finding 16 people to play PC battles. "may" is my point. None of us can say for certain what the majority of the community is feeling based on our corp member's desires. So it seems we agree then? The very large majority of the community does not participate in PC for various reasons, and participation (or lack thereof) in PC does not really clearly indicate the level of a particular player or corp's skill.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1904	Posted - 2013.09.09 10:28:00 - [36] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: My last statement that you quoted is truth. If you feel that you are good and belong to a corp that's good, you may want to grab a district to call your own. "may" You "may" want to grab a district to call your own. You also may not. You might simply find PC to be a joyless and bland experience full of FOTM min-maxing. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Because you know that you can defend your district against (at least) some of the corps and conquer a few others. But if you look at the pc map and know that you can't beat most of the corps, then you may not care about it. STB probably has the most active players and what is the general concensus of their clan? Are there more people who wish to pc or more that don't care about it? Well again, my own corp has 300+ active members and we have trouble finding 16 people to play PC battles. "may" is my point. None of us can say for certain what the majority of the community is feeling based on our corp member's desires. So it seems we agree then? The very large majority of the community does not participate in PC for various reasons, and participation (or lack thereof) in PC does not really clearly indicate the level of a particular player or corp's skill. Well, sure...the large majority of the community does not participate in PC because MH is small and EoN controls most of the land. So, in order for a new corp to get in, they have to beat an indie or an EoN corp to get in. I don't think that pc participation implies that you have skill but if you I feel that those that could compete, skill-wise...do compete. And there may be some that wish to but know that they don't have either the numbers or the skill to beat a corp an enter pc. At the same time, there may be some real casuals that have never had any desire to participate in pc. And we don't know how many people prefer not to or to play in pc.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2544	Posted - 2013.09.09 20:09:00 - [37] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Well, sure...the large majority of the community does not participate in PC because MH is small and EoN controls most of the land. So, in order for a new corp to get in, they have to beat an indie or an EoN corp to get in. I thought you agreed that we can't know why people aren't playing PC? Only 1/5 of the districts in MH are attacked on a day to day basis, and there are 100+ districts that EoN doesn't control. MH is plenty large enough for the small player base and the teeny tiny percentage of that player base (~1%) that is actually participating in it. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I don't think that pc participation implies that you have skill but if you I feel that those that could compete, skill-wise...do compete. Which is a direct contradiction. Which is it? Ydubbs81 RND wrote: And there may be some that wish to but know that they don't have either the numbers or the skill to beat a corp an enter pc. At the same time, there may be some real casuals that have never had any desire to participate in pc. And we don't know how many people prefer not to or to play in pc. Or, 99% of the population just doesn't care about PC to begin with because it's a crap mode in a game that has mechanics that don't transfer well to "serious" or "competitive" play.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1905	Posted - 2013.09.10 08:14:00 - [38] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Well, sure...the large majority of the community does not participate in PC because MH is small and EoN controls most of the land. So, in order for a new corp to get in, they have to beat an indie or an EoN corp to get in. I thought you agreed that we can't know why people aren't playing PC? Only 1/5 of the districts in MH are attacked on a day to day basis, and there are 100+ districts that EoN doesn't control. MH is plenty large enough for the small player base and the teeny tiny percentage of that player base (~1%) that is actually participating in it. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I don't think that pc participation implies that you have skill but if you I feel that those that could compete, skill-wise...do compete. Which is a direct contradiction. Which is it? . How is that a contradiction? PC doesn't have any requirements. To illustrate, check out this tourney that is open to all. Just because you signed up and registered for the tourney doesn't mean that you have skill. At the same time, skilled corps are the most competitive and chooses to play and compete.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1905	Posted - 2013.09.10 08:24:00 - [39] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Well, sure...the large majority of the community does not participate in PC because MH is small and EoN controls most of the land. So, in order for a new corp to get in, they have to beat an indie or an EoN corp to get in. I thought you agreed that we can't know why people aren't playing PC? Only 1/5 of the districts in MH are attacked on a day to day basis, and there are 100+ districts that EoN doesn't control. MH is plenty large enough for the small player base and the teeny tiny percentage of that player base (~1%) that is actually participating in it. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I don't think that pc participation implies that you have skill but if you I feel that those that could compete, skill-wise...do compete. Which is a direct contradiction. Which is it? . How is that a contradiction? PC doesn't have any requirements. To illustrate, check out this tourney that is open to all. Just because you signed up and registered for the tourney doesn't mean that you have skill. At the same time, skilled corps are the most competitive and chooses to play and compete. To answer your other question, I believe other corps know that they can't field the players and that's why they don't attack. Some try to play with 4 or 8 people only to get smashed and never try it again. I see corps in pubs with squads of 4 or so but that's probably all of their active players. I think the corps that could have fielded full teams got smashed and just chose to not play pc anymore. Others have had bad experiences trying to fight weaker corps only to have a team of ringers against them, etc etc
ContraBanJoe Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 251	Posted - 2013.09.11 01:55:00 - [40] - Quote [] Quote:* GOAT!!!

Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 406	Posted - 2013.09.11 22:16:00 - [41] - Quote ContraBanJoe wrote: Quote: GOAT!!! I still have fond memories of the goat no matter what corp I'm in. Glad to see you've kept it alive -.o
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 753	Posted - 2013.09.15 07:08:00 - [42] - Quote I like to think of PRO as a fun place for new players to start out. It is a great introduction to DUST and, like DustUni, really does provide people with experience to help you learn the ropes. That being said PRO does not have the leadership nor the players to be competitive and to be honest it doesn't need to be. The point of a corp is to gather members around a shared purpose and PRO has done that with the purpose being having fun in pubs. That being said people will always be transient members of PRO thanks to the fun only attitude and Joe's own paranoid urges.
ContraBanJoe Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 259	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:15:00 - [43] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: I like to think of PRO as a fun place for new players to start out. It is a great introduction to DUST and, like DustUni, really does provide people with experience to help you learn the ropes. That being said PRO does not have the leadership nor the players to be competitive and to be honest it doesn't need to be. The point of a corp is to gather members around a shared purpose and PRO has done that with the purpose being having fun in pubs. That being said people will always be transient members of PRO thanks to the fun only attitude and Joe's own paranoid urges. Take that thumb out of your mouth and stick it back up your arse bro. Just sayin!
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 769	Posted - 2013.09.16 02:40:00 - [44] - Quote ContraBanJoe wrote: Take that thumb out of your mouth and stick it back up your arse bro. Just sayin! Love you too Joe <3


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