DUST Search - Will 1.4 bring more players ?

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Now then as of November 2012 (planetside 2's release) we had the following come out in similar genre and theme of MMO, first person, and shooting.

Hawken Beta during PS2 release.
432,877 characters created total (automatic forum enrollment). Current Status
Released 12 Dec 2012. Developers are getting laid off, Players are unable to find matches.
Claimed to have 500,000 players to forbes.

District 187
(no population Information found)
Current Status Released.

Absolute Force Online - Closed Beta as of November
(no population information found)
Current status - Released.

December 2012 None.

January 2013
Warface - Closed Development? Original release was supposed to be December 2012
claimed to have 7 million russians + japan and other countries.
Current status Unknown, assumed canceled by Trion as it was removed from their game roster, claims to still be in work. Crytek supposedly still working on it but not a peep in months. Beta testers are complaining of not finding matches at all.

Renaissance Heroes
Shutting down (permanently) on August 30th for States and Europe.

Feb 2013
None

March 2013
None

April 2013
None

May 2013
Dust 514 Launches

June 2013
None

July 2013
None

August 2013
none

Ouch... Thats.... just terrible. Few more moo shooters are planned for this year though.

Source of releases
http://www.mmofront.com/

Population sources, community websites and official game websites.

Also:

Sony Online Entertainment announces more layoffs.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-sony-online-entertainment-6413797

As usual its hard to tell who gets effected. The churn bucket says its DCOU staff hit the hardest.

Now if you're going to question if patches and expansions can bring players in?
You should take a look at this chart.
http://steamcharts.com/app/8500#All

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CHINA BL4CK Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:35:00 - [1] - Quote The reason i ask if 1.4 will bring more players is because it seems that DUST 514 in general has an average player base of 4000 players per day . This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average I started to look into this when noticing over a space of 3-4 hours of gaming almost always the same player names and groups. So basically this game is dead or am i wrong Will the 1.4 patch save DUST and help increase the player base?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1278	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:36:00 - [2] - Quote No my fellow BL4CK man.
CHINA BL4CK Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:39:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: No my fellow BL4CK man. No, as in DUST is Doomed?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1281	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:42:00 - [4] - Quote CHINA BL4CK wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: No my fellow BL4CK man. No, as in DUST is Doomed? What will bring new players is content, diversity, and uniqueness. We have none of these, currently CCP is working on core mechanics before any of these are added, so far we have some uniqueness due to the ISK/SP system but aside from that we are just another lobby shooter.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2804	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:45:00 - [5] - Quote CHINA BL4CK wrote: This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average That's not how maths works!
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:47:00 - [6] - Quote No, what bring in new players is new content,not refinement of all systems, those only being in the old players that are optimistic about the game and have already invested into it to come back.It's got to be something really big and work properly to be able to bring players in and keep them playing because they want to.PVE cough
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 157	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:48:00 - [7] - Quote I've gone from playing just about everyday to barely at all since the 1.4 patch notes were released. Seeing the swarms get an unnecessary buff broke me. I have zero faith they have any clue to what they are doing any longer.
CHINA BL4CK Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:51:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average That's not how maths works! So can you prove to us that we don't have around 80 players at almost any given time in a 12hour cycle? Cause 80 players x 12 hours is 960 players which logged in a 12hour cycle, cause i seriously doubt we can consider the other 12 hours in a 24hour cycle due to people doing other things in life, study, work, anything else apart from being in a game.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2805	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:53:00 - [9] - Quote CHINA BL4CK wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average That's not how maths works! So can you prove to us that we don't have around 80 players at almost any given time in a 12hour cycle? Cause 80 players x 12 hours is 960 players which logged in a 12hour cycle, cause i seriously doubt we can consider the other 12 hours in a 24hour cycle due to people doing other things in life, study, work, anything else apart from being in a game. Yes. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust That shows 4,000 people on at one time. Not all the time, but typically not less than 3,000. That 4,000 is not the entire playerbase, it's how many people are on at once. There are more than just the same 4,000 people playing.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 84	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:57:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average That's not how maths works! So can you prove to us that we don't have around 80 players at almost any given time in a 12hour cycle? Cause 80 players x 12 hours is 960 players which logged in a 12hour cycle, cause i seriously doubt we can consider the other 12 hours in a 24hour cycle due to people doing other things in life, study, work, anything else apart from being in a game. Yes. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust That shows 4,000 people on at one time. Not all the time, but typically not less than 3,000. That 4,000 is not the entire playerbase, it's how many people are on at once. There are more than just the same 4,000 people playing. I think thats still pathetically sad numbers. CCP only seems to have a 3% or so player retention rate.

CHINA BL4CK Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:00:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average That's not how maths works! So can you prove to us that we don't have around 80 players at almost any given time in a 12hour cycle? Cause 80 players x 12 hours is 960 players which logged in a 12hour cycle, cause i seriously doubt we can consider the other 12 hours in a 24hour cycle due to people doing other things in life, study, work, anything else apart from being in a game. Yes. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust That shows 4,000 people on at one time. Not all the time, but typically not less than 3,000. That 4,000 is not the entire playerbase, it's how many people are on at once. There are more than just the same 4,000 people playing. OK well 4000 is stil divided by 4 for the 4 regions = 1000 players per server. So if we have 1000 players on a server why do i see 80% of the player names being the same in a duration of 3-4 hours? That doesn't look like 1000 players to me.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 84	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:03:00 - [12] - Quote CHINA BL4CK wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average That's not how maths works! So can you prove to us that we don't have around 80 players at almost any given time in a 12hour cycle? Cause 80 players x 12 hours is 960 players which logged in a 12hour cycle, cause i seriously doubt we can consider the other 12 hours in a 24hour cycle due to people doing other things in life, study, work, anything else apart from being in a game. Yes. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust That shows 4,000 people on at one time. Not all the time, but typically not less than 3,000. That 4,000 is not the entire playerbase, it's how many people are on at once. There are more than just the same 4,000 people playing. OK well 4000 is stil divided by 4 for the 4 regions = 1000 players per server. So if we have 1000 players on a server why do i see 80% of the player names being the same in a duration of 3-4 hours? That doesn't look like 1000 players to me. You dont get it, theres around 4k online at any given time with exception to downtime. That means the playerbase is right around 12 thousand players. if not slightly more or less.
CHINA BL4CK Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:08:00 - [13] - Quote I must be looking at DUST player base wrong, cause it appears to be average 4000 players, that's it, and not 12000 .
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1284	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:11:00 - [14] - Quote CHINA BL4CK wrote: I must be looking at DUST player base wrong, cause it appears to be average 4000 players, that's it, and not 12000 . Player statistics Currently online:4,385 There are 4385 players online right now.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 400	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:19:00 - [15] - Quote NO.......................................................................................................................................................
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1257	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:22:00 - [16] - Quote learn to read then learn to math. in that order.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 657	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:30:00 - [17] - Quote CHINA BL4CK wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CHINA BL4CK wrote: This is how i see the player base of 4000 average : 4000 player average divided 4 regions is 1000 players per region, divide 1000 by 8 as an average of hours and you get around 125 players average at any given time which i personally think boils down to around 83 players at any given time as a rough average That's not how maths works! So can you prove to us that we don't have around 80 players at almost any given time in a 12hour cycle? Cause 80 players x 12 hours is 960 players which logged in a 12hour cycle, cause i seriously doubt we can consider the other 12 hours in a 24hour cycle due to people doing other things in life, study, work, anything else apart from being in a game. I can prove it , loosely...my corp has almost 2000 members, with maybe 500 alts and inactive. at any given time there are an estimated 100 players online, and i can do 10 or so matches lone wolfing without ever seeing another d uni, and different teams everytime...I think that proves your math wrong...
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 244	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:56:00 - [18] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: No my fellow BL4CK man. I think your math is a little off, 4000 average players means that we have 4000 players online at any given time. I look at it like this, if we have 4000 players on average and most players play an average of 3-5 hours divide 24 by 4, then take 6 x 4000 = 24,000 and that is the amount of unique players, I believe, play Dust 514 every day. most people play this **** 3-5 hours a day? DAYUM! 3-4 games and my ps2 nostalgia has definately been sated.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7864	Posted - 2013.08.29 00:08:00 - [19] - Quote Well this here is bad math on the simple mere fact is nearly impossible to make a correlation but because most MMO's HIDE the crap out of subscription numbers and active player numbers it makes this extremely difficult to make any sense of anything. Certainly something I wouldn't submit to my statistics professor but here goes. Eve Online is known to have 500,000 subscribing (consumed for account plexes, and monthly real cash payments) accounts. Population is about 40k players based on the past month here http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility So based on this it can be poor logic divulged that the average peak is about 1/12th of the current active population. Which means that in order to maintain these numbers people have to log about 2 hours a day which is a fairly common mmo play session for a semi-casual. Using that information it can be said that Dust's total active population is about 50,000 players throughout the day give or take. Now the daily metric is also a bad thing to try to count as well because people's behaviors changes throughout the week and even day proof evident in the previous and this chart http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Like right now is around peak time. 12 hours from now server is offline. Day after cap reset is more populated than most other days. Where as in eve its GMT sunday that has the highest participation.
Rynoceros Rise of Old Dudes 587	Posted - 2013.08.29 00:11:00 - [20] - Quote Patches don't bring new players, marketing does. Patches only work to retain and pacify the existing player base.

Vrain Matari ZionTCD 761	Posted - 2013.08.29 00:34:00 - [21] - Quote It's really a multi-step process. Before content gets a chance to seduce peeps, core mechanics will drive them away. Right now, players leave this game long before they see all of the limited content or experience all the game modes. There's a lot to take in, a lot to puzzle through, and a lot to adapt to, because DUST isn't built with the usual FPS sensibilities we're all so familiar with. And this isn't a bad thing. So these players who are interested stick around and start making the effort to understand what the hell is going on. We all know from experience that early days in DUST can be rough on a player. But that's cool too, many peeps enjoy the challenge and can see the obvious potential we have here, so they take their beatings and soldier on. And then CCP betrays them. In the worst possible way. So here is our potential new citizen of New Eden, invested in this strange hybrid game where the developer is asking immigrants to make an exceptional effort to adapt and learn, where there is virtually no hand-holding, no walkthrough, no tutorial, no opportunity to practice. And the player begins to understand the fitting screen, the skill system, the HUD, the TACNET, the weapons systems, the maps, the equipment, the squad tools, the voicecomms, all the while going hands-on with the game......and it gradually dawns on our player that the game, at its most fundamental level, does not work. It's broken, not finished, half-baked. The first thing players prolly notice is the AFKers. They don't understand the dynamics behind it, but everybody recognizes it as deeply lame - for both the community and the developer. Some time after this this awkward aiming, lag, detection, the sticky terrain and objects, the clunky, slow unreliable controls reveal themselves. And that's it. By the cold light of day most players will realized that they got duped by a three dressed up as a nine, that there's a lot of other fish in the sea, and they move on, prolly warning their friends not to make the same mistake they made. But for some poor slobs, it's too late. They've seen below the surface, they've somehow managed to fall in love against their will. They can't stand to stay but they can't bear to leave. These sad creatures are called bittervets. In DUST we sometimes call them 'Noc's', i'm not sure why. It's only one scenario. There are others but the one presented covers the bulk of cases, i'd wager. The good news is that CCP is attempting to address the core issues in patches 1.4 and 1.5. If they're successful, then the content will have a solid chance of keeping players.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1359	Posted - 2013.08.29 00:39:00 - [22] - Quote We're going to have to wait for the marketing push (they haven't even started yet) as well as new content releases. You are a fool if you think the changes in 1.4 are going to bring in more players. Not to say 1.4 is a bad patch, but it's a refinement patch which appeals to current players, not new players.
J0LLY R0G3R A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 72	Posted - 2013.08.29 01:31:00 - [23] - Quote Numbers will go up. but mostly due to people logging on alts everyday for the bonus sp.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1356	Posted - 2013.08.29 01:35:00 - [24] - Quote Is Santa Clause Asian? Trick question, Santa isn't real and neither is a growing player-base for this game.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7867	Posted - 2013.08.29 01:53:00 - [25] - Quote Now then as of November 2012 we had the following come out in similar genre and theme of MMO, first person, and shooting. Hawken Beta during PS2 release. 432,877 characters created total (automatic forum enrollment). Current Status Released 12 Dec 2012. Developers are getting laid off, Players are unable to find matches. Claimed to have 500,000 players to forbes. District 187 (no population Information found) Current Status Released. Absolute Force Online - Closed Beta as of November (no population information found) Current status - Released. December 2012 None. January 2013 Warface - Closed Development? Original release was supposed to be December 2012 claimed to have 7 million russians + japan and other countries. Current status Unknown, assumed canceled by Trion as it was removed from their game roster, claims to still be in work. Crytek supposedly still working on it but not a peep in months. Beta testers are complaining of not finding matches at all. Renaissance Heroes Shutting down on the 30th for States and Europe. Feb 2013 None March 2013 None April 2013 None May 2013 None June 2013 None July 2013 None August 2013 none Ouch... Thats.... just terrible. Few more moo shooters are planned for this year though. Source of releases http://www.mmofront.com/ Population sources, community websites and official game websites. Also Sony Online Entertainment announces more layoffs. http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-sony-online-entertainment-6413797 As usual its hard to tell who gets effected.The churn bucket says its DCOU staff hit the hardest.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3818	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:09:00 - [26] - Quote The 4000 players you see IS the number of players online at one time.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1290	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:13:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Now then as of November 2012 (planetside 2's release) we had the following come out in similar genre and theme of MMO, first person, and shooting. Hawken Beta during PS2 release. 432,877 characters created total (automatic forum enrollment). Current Status Released 12 Dec 2012. Developers are getting laid off, Players are unable to find matches. Claimed to have 500,000 players to forbes. District 187 (no population Information found) Current Status Released. Absolute Force Online - Closed Beta as of November (no population information found) Current status - Released. December 2012 None. January 2013 Warface - Closed Development? Original release was supposed to be December 2012 claimed to have 7 million russians + japan and other countries. Current status Unknown, assumed canceled by Trion as it was removed from their game roster, claims to still be in work. Crytek supposedly still working on it but not a peep in months. Beta testers are complaining of not finding matches at all. Renaissance Heroes Shutting down (permanently) on August 30th for States and Europe. Feb 2013 None March 2013 None April 2013 None May 2013 Dust 514 Launches June 2013 None July 2013 None August 2013 none Ouch... Thats.... just terrible. Few more moo shooters are planned for this year though. Source of releases http://www.mmofront.com/ Population sources, community websites and official game websites. Also: Sony Online Entertainment announces more layoffs. http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-sony-online-entertainment-6413797 As usual its hard to tell who gets effected. The churn bucket says its DCOU staff hit the hardest. Now if you're going to question if patches and expansions can bring players in? You should take a look at this chart. http://steamcharts.com/app/8500#All Seems like 1.4 might bring more players after all, MonthAvg. PlayersGain% GainPeak Players ... June 20131,239.5+632.2+104.09%2,728 <-- Odyssey release May 2013607.4+64.0+11.77%999 April 2013543.4-86.7-13.76%894 ... December 20121,000.0+620.7+163.64%2,083 <-- Retribution release November 2012379.3+1.3+0.34%626 October 2012378.0-34.3-8.32%615 Although these were expansions not patches.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7869	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:17:00 - [28] - Quote From the looks of it though Dust 514 has stabilized, there will be a dip this month as players migrate to a very popular game this week on the same console although the dip won't be that serious as having another major shooter release on our platform.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F 1401	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:26:00 - [29] - Quote ah I love the dust player base unlike most FPS games player bases people know math (somewhat) :)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7869	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:29:00 - [30] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: ah I love the dust player base unlike most FPS games player bases people know math (somewhat) :) I'm just coin shooting here and harsh rounding for my head. Nothing serious.

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F 1401	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:31:00 - [31] - Quote actually IWS Crytek just announced WarFace is coming to xbox 360 and likely to ps3 (off topic)
TEBOW BAGGINS The Corporate Raiders 938	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:39:00 - [32] - Quote no a TV commercial would no one outside cares that this got nerfed, or that got buffed.
dullrust Subsonic Synthetics 22	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:44:00 - [33] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Patches don't bring new players, marketing does. Patches only work to retain and pacify the existing player base. I'm just going to like this because of the corp name. Wonder when we will see a grumpy old men corp?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7869	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:47:00 - [34] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: actually IWS Crytek just announced WarFace is coming to xbox 360 and likely to ps3 (off topic) I think I updated the comments on where it went. Trion probably had to drop it because defiance ate to much of their money and flopped like hell. http://steamcharts.com/app/224600
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F 1402	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:54:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: actually IWS Crytek just announced WarFace is coming to xbox 360 and likely to ps3 (off topic) I think I updated the comments on where it went. Trion probably had to drop it because defiance ate to much of their money and flopped like hell. http://steamcharts.com/app/224600 speaking of f2p MMOs check out Survarium by the guys who made S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7871	Posted - 2013.08.29 03:14:00 - [36] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: actually IWS Crytek just announced WarFace is coming to xbox 360 and likely to ps3 (off topic) I think I updated the comments on where it went. Trion probably had to drop it because defiance ate to much of their money and flopped like hell. http://steamcharts.com/app/224600 speaking of f2p MMOs check out Survarium by the guys who made S.T.A.L.K.E.R That should be able to maintain its own flocking.
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 55	Posted - 2013.08.29 04:38:00 - [37] - Quote in my corp less and less players log on every day. And 1.4 seems stupid. After GTA 5 comes out idk if ill still play DUST
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7876	Posted - 2013.08.29 06:24:00 - [38] - Quote From the looks of it most of the SOE firings were at Austin where their single player games are mostly developed and their HQ in San Deigo where PS2 is developed. The number of developers fired is still unknown. Back to the topic of 1.4 I don't think 1.4 is the grail, the only thing 1.4 needs to do is not **** the player base off. 1.5 will the first patch that will bring players back and help retain new ones and 1.6 beyond subsenquently more so.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 368	Posted - 2013.08.29 06:26:00 - [39] - Quote 1.4 will not bring anything. They will get on only to see people running at them spamming Sprint,Melee,Sprint,Melee over and over and get caught with a E. Honda 100 hand slap.
0bi wan-jacobi Ancient Exi1es 63	Posted - 2013.08.29 06:29:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: From the looks of it most of the SOE firings were at Austin where their single player games are mostly developed and their HQ in San Deigo where PS2 is developed. The number of developers fired is still unknown. Back to the topic of 1.4 I don't think 1.4 is the grail, the only thing 1.4 needs to do is not **** the player base off. 1.5 will the first patch that will bring players back and help retain new ones and 1.6 beyond subsenquently more so. I agree with what you said on 1.4, but 1.5 will simply bring people back to see if they will keep playing. Give them a week and they will have chosen.



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