DUST Search - PC is a self-defeating game mode

ZDub 303 wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

So you expect CCP to build a game mode that encourages very small elite level players to dominate a game mode because you guys don't want to split pay checks?

There are a lot of things wrong with PC, but I hope CCP leans toward encouraging corporations to expand by bringing in new players to eventually help them take more territory.

I've agreed with your posts quite a bit in the past, but man this thread is... I really don't know what to call it.

You shouldn't be able to own the amount of land that you own. Logistically it isn't possible. It's taken some time but the players in this game have finally banded together to prove this point.

The game mode is finally working as intended. Now instead of just accepting this you guys are using an actual broken mechanic of PC to attempt to hold your bloated share of MH.

I think you're getting the wrong idea behind this post. I'm not saying anything about a small group of elite players owning MH and trying to get a mechanic to push for that.

Honestly, once EoN has reduced it district number (through whatever means) what do you think will actually happen?

PC currently tends itself towards farmville. Any corp will only ever be able to hold so many districts at which point its futile to even try to take more. Even with a frontline mechanics you would easily be looking at 10-15 battles per night for each corp if they start pushing too far, but alliances can keep pushing for more control. By focusing attacks on a frontline, there would end up being more attacks each night as alliances vie for control of more space.

This has little to do with being unwilling to split paychecks. Why would someone, as a leader, want to have to deal with more logistical headaches trying to manage more people for the same reward either way?

The game itself lends to a situation where you don't want more land than you can reasonably defend simultaneously in a single night.

I guess what it comes down to is, I'm not suggesting these changes because of any sort of selfish desire to maintain control over MH. tbh I can care less what happens to PC, i've moved on to FF14 anyways. These are just my parting words about a flaw that I see in the way the system incentivizes people to participate in PC (which it doesn't do very well considering how few people actually give two ***** about it).

I just look at the future of EoN and think... whats next? What could possibly be next?

The logical conclusion of this FEC war is that EoN will be reduced to a number of districts that it can defend... and then.. what? Where would be the drive to want to battle in PC when you're essentially fighting to take districts you can't afford to defend?

All you can do at that point is battle for the sake of battling, but you're no longer battling to own land, you're just doing it to do it. That's fine if that's the culture that CCP wants to foster, but that system would be better served by removing PC altogether and reimplementing the corp battle system.


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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. 1025	Posted - 2013.08.28 01:41:00 - [1] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Seems like a poorly planned logistics issue on tp's part if the goal was to hold land. Get great team of killers - check Work on tactics and teamwork - check Attack almost everyone and win - check Have a plan for what to do next - no clue Sorry your first world problems are not mine if you accomplished the first three so well why so flustered by the final step? What is the purpose of a large alliance, what is the purpose of GATT? Why is it so hard to comprehend the only way to sustain your accomplishments is to grow, otherwise you need to start some contraction in your business plan. If that's the case why do it in a chicken **** way like lock blocking to avoid loss before your sales are final. Here's your cake please eat it. Why bother growing the corp? If 30 of us can hold 10 districts and get XXX paychecks per month, why would we want to try to get more people, to try and hold more land, having to deal with more logistics and more variation in player numbers on a night by night basis, as to essentially make the same amount of money per person as before? I'm not gonna bother commenting on what EoN leadership is doing now, it has no bearing on my suggestion for future iterations of PC. So you expect CCP to build a game mode that encourages very small elite level players to dominate a game mode because you guys don't want to split pay checks? There are a lot of things wrong with PC, but I hope CCP leans toward encouraging corporations to expand by bringing in new players to eventually help them take more territory. I've agreed with your posts quite a bit in the past, but man this thread is... I really don't know what to call it. You shouldn't be able to own the amount of land that you own. Logistically it isn't possible. It's taken some time but the players in this game have finally banded together to prove this point. The game mode is finally working as intended. Now instead of just accepting this you guys are using an actual broken mechanic of PC to attempt to hold your bloated share of MH.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1037	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:38:00 - [2] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: So you expect CCP to build a game mode that encourages very small elite level players to dominate a game mode because you guys don't want to split pay checks? There are a lot of things wrong with PC, but I hope CCP leans toward encouraging corporations to expand by bringing in new players to eventually help them take more territory. I've agreed with your posts quite a bit in the past, but man this thread is... I really don't know what to call it. You shouldn't be able to own the amount of land that you own. Logistically it isn't possible. It's taken some time but the players in this game have finally banded together to prove this point. The game mode is finally working as intended. Now instead of just accepting this you guys are using an actual broken mechanic of PC to attempt to hold your bloated share of MH. I think you're getting the wrong idea behind this post. I'm not saying anything about a small group of elite players owning MH and trying to get a mechanic to push for that. Honestly, once EoN has reduced it district number (through whatever means) what do you think will actually happen? PC currently tends itself towards farmville. Any corp will only ever be able to hold so many districts at which point its futile to even try to take more. Even with a frontline mechanics you would easily be looking at 10-15 battles per night for each corp if they start pushing too far, but alliances can keep pushing for more control. By focusing attacks on a frontline, there would end up being more attacks each night as alliances vie for control of more space. This has little to do with being unwilling to split paychecks. Why would someone, as a leader, want to have to deal with more logistical headaches trying to manage more people for the same reward either way? The game itself lends to a situation where you don't want more land than you can reasonably defend simultaneously in a single night. I guess what it comes down to is, I'm not suggesting these changes because of any sort of selfish desire to maintain control over MH. tbh I can care less what happens to PC, i've moved on to FF14 anyways. These are just my parting words about a flaw that I see in the way the system incentivizes people to participate in PC (which it doesn't do very well considering how few people actually give two ***** about it). I just look at the future of EoN and think... whats next? What could possibly be next? The logical conclusion of this FEC war is that EoN will be reduced to a number of districts that it can defend... and then.. what? Where would be the drive to want to battle in PC when you're essentially fighting to take districts you can't afford to defend? All you can do at that point is battle for the sake of battling, but you're no longer battling to own land, you're just doing it to do it. That's fine if that's the culture that CCP wants to foster, but that system would be better served by removing PC altogether and reimplementing the corp battle system. Fair enough, and I get your jist. But I don't think even in Eve with a much bigger sandbox anyone thinks or expects to control it all. i HATE when people bring Eve up when talking about this game, but I think it's a good example here. If someone went through all the trouble of gaining a LOT of sov in Eve because they have a ton of skill, it doesn't guarantee that they'd be able to defend it all. They would probably be burnt out from it. With people having the appropriate amount of land that they can defend (enough teams capable of defending multiple timers) it would lead to a larger number of corps being involved. The issue we have now is that in addition to the success Eon has had, you had a LOT of bandwagon jumpers that flocked there. Now those guys may not be participating in PC battles for Eon corps, but they most certainly are not involved in some other corporation that is striving to make their mark. The sandbox needs some variety. And perhaps there needs to be some mercy for corps that you know can't compete with you. Imagine if Mike Tyson just sized up every guy he ever came in contact with.