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Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

[quote=Jason Pearson]I still think they're fine.

AV Grenades are "fine" according to most people but this allows Infantry to kill Vehicles and Infantry.

If anything, the Forge should allow Heavies to do this, as they sacrifice equipment and speed for their heavy weapon, which should rival a Vehicles ability to kill Infantry and Tanks./quote]

That logic breaks down very quickly. No other infantry weapon provides the dual capabilities that the forge gun does. In order for assaults to run AV grenades, they must forego using flux or locus grenades, losing one of the best anti-infantry tools they have. By having forge guns be good at both it takes away any downside of using the forge gun.

Not to mention the cheap feeling of getting one shot by a forge gun. It's just not fun. I honestly think the forge guns should be reworked to be useless against infantry.

proto forges need to cost 300k each, especially if it does as much damage as a large advanced rail turret

And I realized that the ability of the forge gun to kill infantry actually hurts vehicles more than it hurts infantry, ironically enough.

That statement doesn't make much sense by itself, but think about it this way: when you join a match, you choose that weapon that will provide you the most use. For most people, this is the AR. But the FG actually provides MORE use than the AR, if you can believe it. So people choose to use the FG straight off the bat, they don't wait for a vehicle to be called in before they start using it, because they don't need a vehicle to be killers with it. So because FG'ers already have their FGs equipped when a tank is called onto the field, the life on that tank is dramatically reduced.

Frankly, I don't see the logic of the forge gun doing full damage to infantry. If anti-infantry weaponry does 10% damage or so to vehicles, shouldn't anti-vehicle weaponry do 10% damage or so to infantry?

I still think they're fine.

AV Grenades are "fine" according to most people but this allows Infantry to kill Vehicles and Infantry.

If anything, the Forge should allow Heavies to do this, as they sacrifice equipment and speed for their heavy weapon, which should rival a Vehicles ability to kill Infantry and Gunnlogis.

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Not to mention the cheap feeling of getting one shot by a forge gun. It's just not fun. I honestly think the forge guns should be reworked to be useless against infantry.

[quote=Jason Pearson]I still think they're fine.

AV Grenades are "fine" according to most people but this allows Infantry to kill Vehicles and Infantry.

If anything, the Forge should allow Heavies to do this, as they sacrifice equipment and speed for their heavy weapon, which should rival a Vehicles ability to kill Infantry and Tanks./quote]

That logic breaks down very quickly. No other infantry weapon provides the dual capabilities that the forge gun does. In order for assaults to run AV grenades, they must forego using flux or locus grenades, losing one of the best anti-infantry tools they have. By having forge guns be good at both it takes away any downside of using the forge gun.

Not to mention the cheap feeling of getting one shot by a forge gun. It's just not fun. I honestly think the forge guns should be reworked to be useless against infantry.

And I realized that the ability of the forge gun to kill infantry actually hurts vehicles more than it hurts infantry, ironically enough.

That statement doesn't make much sense by itself, but think about it this way: when you join a match, you choose that weapon that will provide you the most use. For most people, this is the AR. But the FG actually provides MORE use than the AR, if you can believe it. So people choose to use the FG straight off the bat, they don't wait for a vehicle to be called in before they start using it, because they don't need a vehicle to be killers with it. So because FG'ers already have their FGs equipped when a tank is called onto the field, the life on that tank is dramatically reduced.

Frankly, I don't see the logic of the forge gun doing full damage to infantry. If anti-infantry weaponry does 10% damage or so to vehicles, shouldn't anti-vehicle weaponry do 10% damage or so to infantry?

And I realized that the ability of the forge gun to kill infantry actually hurts vehicles more than it hurts infantry, ironically enough.

That statement doesn't make much sense by itself, but think about it this way: when you join a match, you choose that weapon that will provide you the most use. For most people, this is the AR. But the FG actually provides MORE use than the AR, if you can believe it. So people choose to use the FG straight off the bat, they don't wait for a vehicle to be called in before they start using it, because they don't need a vehicle to be killers with it. So because FG'ers already have their FGs equipped when a tank is called onto the field, the life on that tank is dramatically reduced.

Frankly, I don't see the logic of the forge gun doing full damage to infantry. If anti-infantry weaponry does 10% damage or so to vehicles, shouldn't anti-vehicle weaponry do 10% damage or so to infantry?

proto forges need to cost 300k each, especially if it does as much damage as a large advanced rail turret

Assault FGs need a splash damage nerf /thread

also while i can see where you got the assumption forge gun users spawn forge prior to vehicles being summoned because of their effectiveness vs infantry. it is far more likely that they do that just to blow up the installations on the map for wp first. thats what i do tech i could spawn drive around fora sec have 1000 wp be done and afk without ever supporting the team and get paid. hell if they are really bad i may even be on top of the boards just for that.

And I realized that the ability of the forge gun to kill infantry actually hurts vehicles more than it hurts infantry, ironically enough.

That statement doesn't make much sense by itself, but think about it this way: when you join a match, you choose that weapon that will provide you the most use. For most people, this is the AR. But the FG actually provides MORE use than the AR, if you can believe it. So people choose to use the FG straight off the bat, they don't wait for a vehicle to be called in before they start using it, because they don't need a vehicle to be killers with it. So because FG'ers already have their FGs equipped when a tank is called onto the field, the life on that tank is dramatically reduced.

Frankly, I don't see the logic of the forge gun doing full damage to infantry. If anti-infantry weaponry does 10% damage or so to vehicles, shouldn't anti-vehicle weaponry do 10% damage or so to infantry?

Forge guns, like plasma cannons, are AV-AI hybrids. They aren't as effective at AV as AV only weapons (swarms) and aren't as effective AI as AI only weapons (AR)

Seems fine to me. Low RoF, and the inability to hold locks on the assault forge balance their damage.

WHAT issue with the Forge Gun? There is no issue, just whining people.

It's not an anti-vehicle weapon, and it is not called that anywhere in the game.

Forge guns, like plasma cannons, are AV-AI hybrids. They aren't as effective at AV as AV only weapons (swarms) and aren't as effective AI as AI only weapons (AR)

Seems fine to me. Low RoF, and the inability to hold locks on the assault forge balance their damage.