DUST Search - The proper way to balance tank vs AV

Chances Ghost wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Chances Ghost wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

You say all that but most tankers hate infantry, hate anyone that isnt them even looking at their vehicle, and have a care bear non aggression pact with other tank drivers so even if you do see them on the field they ignore each other for easy kills

You want to play against just tanks and not worry about infantry AV then world of tanks is just over there

And that whole "we want a place" is bullshit since the place tanks are now is the same place tanks are in the real world, heavy fire support
It is not some end all be all rolling wall of steel and death that needs another juggernaut to stop it, militaries have been finding ways for a man on foot to bust them apart solo ever since they rolled onto the battlefield

Now if you want to talk about buffing tanks by giving them defensive systems in line with what we have now then Im all for that, giving them a TROPHY system that draws off X amount of swarms from a cluster fired at them or a Nakidka camo kit to make it more difficult to acquire a lock then Im all for that but crying and demanding nerfs is idiotic

so you diddnt read the post

thats cool

right now a single AV infantry renders tanks obsolete, hence why you see nonagression pactsand the like.

also not once did you meantion what kind of tank gameplay you want to see and how you want to get there.

second this ISNT THE REAL WORLD, you cant draw parralels to the real world outside of tactics that may or may not transfer.

its a game and it works like a game.

so what role do you want tanks to have

what gameplkay do you see coming out of that

and how do you want to get there

answer those questions or every single opinion you have on balance is just plain irrelevant.

you think tanks are in a good place right now? where the only reason people use them is because they want to, and they arnt viable in competitive play even a little bit?

meaning if you diddnt have tankers that just plain like tanks no matter how bad they are you wouldnt have any tanks ont he field right now

meaning no reason for infantry AV to exsist.

essentially in the current game neatiher tanks nor infantry AV needs to exsist to obtain the game level of gameplay we have now meaning both are worthless

Whine more, the "This isnt the real world" excuse wears real thin when you have plenty of tankers cry "But its a tank, it should tank damage"

And if you cant suss out that my saying the tanks role is "heavy fire support" is somehow not me saying how I think tank gameplay should be and how suggesting certain buffs is not me saying how I think we should get there then your comprehension ability is terrible and you have no place attempting to tell people how relevant their opinions on a subject are

Even more so since so far you are doing what many other tankers have done, make a long winded statement when the core idea is "nerf this so I dont die" and getting salty when a post that you glossed over disagrees with you and then attempting to railroad the conversation, it betrays that you have no real interest in actually discussing the manner
Oh and try not double spacing every line, it adds to the page length unnecessarily and is a lame way to extend the length of your post
If I were going to play armchair psychologist I would say you do it in an attempt to overwhelm and frighten people off

before posting answer 2 questions

1:what kind of tank/av/infantry gameplay do you want to see
1:one suggestion on how to achieve that vision of balance

seriously DO IT

in simple terms, what EXACTLY do you believe they should be capable of, and how EXACTLY do you think they should acomplish this task, what changes should or shouldnt be made to create what you want.
you have brought nothing to the discussion while telling me im doing the same.

currently both tanks and infantry AV are irrelevant, one exsists simply to torture those who willingly spec into and role with other not because of its power but because they just like tanks.

DO YOU BELIEVE that infantry should be the dominate anti- vehicle force, and WHY, and what effect will this have on the game.

its simple to actually participate in the thread rather then tear it down for exsisting, im simply asking for your opinion on the topic and a discussion on it

what your giving me is your opinion on the threads exsistance and telling me it shouldnt be said

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Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1834	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:37:00 - [1] - Quote You say all that but most tankers hate infantry, hate anyone that isnt them even looking at their vehicle, and have a care bear non aggression pact with other tank drivers so even if you do see them on the field they ignore each other for easy kills You want to play against just tanks and not worry about infantry AV then world of tanks is just over there And that whole "we want a place" is bullshit since the place tanks are now is the same place tanks are in the real world, heavy fire support It is not some end all be all rolling wall of steel and death that needs another juggernaut to stop it, militaries have been finding ways for a man on foot to bust them apart solo ever since they rolled onto the battlefield Now if you want to talk about buffing tanks by giving them defensive systems in line with what we have now then Im all for that, giving them a TROPHY system that draws off X amount of swarms from a cluster fired at them or a Nakidka camo kit to make it more difficult to acquire a lock then Im all for that but crying and demanding nerfs is idiotic
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1835	Posted - 2013.08.24 09:59:00 - [2] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Delta 749 wrote: You say all that but most tankers hate infantry, hate anyone that isnt them even looking at their vehicle, and have a care bear non aggression pact with other tank drivers so even if you do see them on the field they ignore each other for easy kills You want to play against just tanks and not worry about infantry AV then world of tanks is just over there And that whole "we want a place" is bullshit since the place tanks are now is the same place tanks are in the real world, heavy fire support It is not some end all be all rolling wall of steel and death that needs another juggernaut to stop it, militaries have been finding ways for a man on foot to bust them apart solo ever since they rolled onto the battlefield Now if you want to talk about buffing tanks by giving them defensive systems in line with what we have now then Im all for that, giving them a TROPHY system that draws off X amount of swarms from a cluster fired at them or a Nakidka camo kit to make it more difficult to acquire a lock then Im all for that but crying and demanding nerfs is idiotic so you diddnt read the post thats cool right now a single AV infantry renders tanks obsolete, hence why you see nonagression pactsand the like. also not once did you meantion what kind of tank gameplay you want to see and how you want to get there. second this ISNT THE REAL WORLD, you cant draw parralels to the real world outside of tactics that may or may not transfer. its a game and it works like a game. so what role do you want tanks to have what gameplkay do you see coming out of that and how do you want to get there answer those questions or every single opinion you have on balance is just plain irrelevant. you think tanks are in a good place right now? where the only reason people use them is because they want to, and they arnt viable in competitive play even a little bit? meaning if you diddnt have tankers that just plain like tanks no matter how bad they are you wouldnt have any tanks ont he field right now meaning no reason for infantry AV to exsist. essentially in the current game neatiher tanks nor infantry AV needs to exsist to obtain the game level of gameplay we have now meaning both are worthless Whine more, the "This isnt the real world" excuse wears real thin when you have plenty of tankers cry "But its a tank, it should tank damage" And if you cant suss out that my saying the tanks role is "heavy fire support" is somehow not me saying how I think tank gameplay should be and how suggesting certain buffs is not me saying how I think we should get there then your comprehension ability is terrible and you have no place attempting to tell people how relevant their opinions on a subject are Even more so since so far you are doing what many other tankers have done, make a long winded statement when the core idea is "nerf this so I dont die" and getting salty when a post that you glossed over disagrees with you and then attempting to railroad the conversation, it betrays that you have no real interest in actually discussing the manner Oh and try not double spacing every line, it adds to the page length unnecessarily and is a lame way to extend the length of your post If I were going to play armchair psychologist I would say you do it in an attempt to overwhelm and frighten people off
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1835	Posted - 2013.08.24 10:10:00 - [3] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Delta 749 wrote: You say all that but most tankers hate infantry, hate anyone that isnt them even looking at their vehicle, and have a care bear non aggression pact with other tank drivers so even if you do see them on the field they ignore each other for easy kills You want to play against just tanks and not worry about infantry AV then world of tanks is just over there And that whole "we want a place" is bullshit since the place tanks are now is the same place tanks are in the real world, heavy fire support It is not some end all be all rolling wall of steel and death that needs another juggernaut to stop it, militaries have been finding ways for a man on foot to bust them apart solo ever since they rolled onto the battlefield Now if you want to talk about buffing tanks by giving them defensive systems in line with what we have now then Im all for that, giving them a TROPHY system that draws off X amount of swarms from a cluster fired at them or a Nakidka camo kit to make it more difficult to acquire a lock then Im all for that but crying and demanding nerfs is idiotic so you diddnt read the post thats cool right now a single AV infantry renders tanks obsolete, hence why you see nonagression pactsand the like. also not once did you meantion what kind of tank gameplay you want to see and how you want to get there. second this ISNT THE REAL WORLD, you cant draw parralels to the real world outside of tactics that may or may not transfer. its a game and it works like a game. so what role do you want tanks to have what gameplkay do you see coming out of that and how do you want to get there answer those questions or every single opinion you have on balance is just plain irrelevant. you think tanks are in a good place right now? where the only reason people use them is because they want to, and they arnt viable in competitive play even a little bit? meaning if you diddnt have tankers that just plain like tanks no matter how bad they are you wouldnt have any tanks ont he field right now meaning no reason for infantry AV to exsist. essentially in the current game neatiher tanks nor infantry AV needs to exsist to obtain the game level of gameplay we have now meaning both are worthless Whine more, the "This isnt the real world" excuse wears real thin when you have plenty of tankers cry "But its a tank, it should tank damage" And if you cant suss out that my saying the tanks role is "heavy fire support" is somehow not me saying how I think tank gameplay should be and how suggesting certain buffs is not me saying how I think we should get there then your comprehension ability is terrible and you have no place attempting to tell people how relevant their opinions on a subject are Even more so since so far you are doing what many other tankers have done, make a long winded statement when the core idea is "nerf this so I dont die" and getting salty when a post that you glossed over disagrees with you and then attempting to railroad the conversation, it betrays that you have no real interest in actually discussing the manner Oh and try not double spacing every line, it adds to the page length unnecessarily and is a lame way to extend the length of your post If I were going to play armchair psychologist I would say you do it in an attempt to overwhelm and frighten people off before posting answer 2 questions 1:what kind of tank/av/infantry gameplay do you want to see 1:one suggestion on how to achieve that vision of balance seriously DO IT in simple terms, what EXACTLY do you believe they should be capable of, and how EXACTLY do you think they should acomplish this task, what changes should or shouldnt be made to create what you want. you have brought nothing to the discussion while telling me im doing the same. currently both tanks and infantry AV are irrelevant, one exsists simply to torture those who willingly spec into and role with other not because of its power but because they just like tanks. DO YOU BELIEVE that infantry should be the dominate anti- vehicle force, and WHY, and what effect will this have on the game. its simple to actually participate in the thread rather then tear it down for exsisting, im simply asking for your opinion on the topic and a discussion on it what your giving me is your opinion on the threads exsistance and telling me it shouldnt be said I did do that and you not comprehending that, willingly I presume, and bringing it up again with much added fluff retreading what you have already said tells me that you have no good response and are stalling for time 1/10 try again