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Void Echo wrote:

Thor McStrut wrote:

Void Echo wrote:

not in the slightest, there are still major things that aren't right with the balance, however those only make up part of the balance.

certain subjects of this imbalance are quite obvious:

no advanced or prototype tanks.
invisible swarms and infantry.
horrible rendering.
core mechanics.
AV convenience when it comes to AV grenades. etc etc.

the only thing that would be beneficial in starting the overhaul of this imbalance would be to bring in advanced and prototype tanks.
only then could we begin, otherwise wed be back to where we are now.

and squads are fine il admit, but they aren't ideal for survival, especially if your squad doesn't care about your tank nor does your team which is what happens 95% of the time.

tanks need lone survivability, otherwise theres no incentive to skill into them other than waving the currently biggest weapon around pointing it at your enemy's faces

I agree with most of your post, except the bolded part. They don't need lone survivability, you just need better friends.

First, it should take more AV then one person can carry to bring a vehicle down. Just as a tank should be operated by more then 1 person for maximum benefit.

Second, there should be no man portable weapon that can out range a tank, especially in render distance. Equal range or less. The only exception here might be blaster turrets, as they are a close range high damage choice. But that should be made perfectly clear in the show info tab, so that people know the ranges that they are choosing to fit to their chassis.

Thirdly, calling in an HAV into a public match with no friends should be a high risk choice. You should be risking a very high cost machine, that doesn't guarantee you a killing machine if you can't find the right people to accompany you. I'm not sure of the viability of this, but hopping into someone's vehicle should give the driver the option to add them to their voice channel/squad. This will help facilitate the coordination it should require to dominate the battlefield. Along with this, drivers need the kick function. One that will prevent the kicked person from hopping back in, for at least several minutes, maybe even the duration of the match.

yes, we do need lone survivability, why else do we have the ability to personally skilling into tanks ourselves instead having it like BF. its for us personally to use them, if you take away our effectiveness as a lone tanker, you remove the incentive to skill into them. I know I didn't skill into tanks so random people could get in the gunner seat, I skilled into it so I could use it myself

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Thor McStrut Reckoners 144	Posted - 2013.08.24 20:09:00 - [1] - Quote Void Echo wrote: not in the slightest, there are still major things that aren't right with the balance, however those only make up part of the balance. certain subjects of this imbalance are quite obvious: no advanced or prototype tanks. invisible swarms and infantry. horrible rendering. core mechanics. AV convenience when it comes to AV grenades. etc etc. the only thing that would be beneficial in starting the overhaul of this imbalance would be to bring in advanced and prototype tanks. only then could we begin, otherwise wed be back to where we are now. and squads are fine il admit, but they aren't ideal for survival, especially if your squad doesn't care about your tank nor does your team which is what happens 95% of the time. tanks need lone survivability, otherwise theres no incentive to skill into them other than waving the currently biggest weapon around pointing it at your enemy's faces I agree with most of your post, except the bolded part. They don't need lone survivability, you just need better friends. First, it should take more AV then one person can carry to bring a vehicle down. Just as a tank should be operated by more then 1 person for maximum benefit. Second, there should be no man portable weapon that can out range a tank, especially in render distance. Equal range or less. The only exception here might be blaster turrets, as they are a close range high damage choice. But that should be made perfectly clear in the show info tab, so that people know the ranges that they are choosing to fit to their chassis. Thirdly, calling in an HAV into a public match with no friends should be a high risk choice. You should be risking a very high cost machine, that doesn't guarantee you a killing machine if you can't find the right people to accompany you. I'm not sure of the viability of this, but hopping into someone's vehicle should give the driver the option to add them to their voice channel/squad. This will help facilitate the coordination it should require to dominate the battlefield. Along with this, drivers need the kick function. One that will prevent the kicked person from hopping back in, for at least several minutes, maybe even the duration of the match.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 145	Posted - 2013.08.24 21:46:00 - [2] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Void Echo wrote: not in the slightest, there are still major things that aren't right with the balance, however those only make up part of the balance. certain subjects of this imbalance are quite obvious: no advanced or prototype tanks. invisible swarms and infantry. horrible rendering. core mechanics. AV convenience when it comes to AV grenades. etc etc. the only thing that would be beneficial in starting the overhaul of this imbalance would be to bring in advanced and prototype tanks. only then could we begin, otherwise wed be back to where we are now. and squads are fine il admit, but they aren't ideal for survival, especially if your squad doesn't care about your tank nor does your team which is what happens 95% of the time. tanks need lone survivability, otherwise theres no incentive to skill into them other than waving the currently biggest weapon around pointing it at your enemy's faces I agree with most of your post, except the bolded part. They don't need lone survivability, you just need better friends. First, it should take more AV then one person can carry to bring a vehicle down. Just as a tank should be operated by more then 1 person for maximum benefit. Second, there should be no man portable weapon that can out range a tank, especially in render distance. Equal range or less. The only exception here might be blaster turrets, as they are a close range high damage choice. But that should be made perfectly clear in the show info tab, so that people know the ranges that they are choosing to fit to their chassis. Thirdly, calling in an HAV into a public match with no friends should be a high risk choice. You should be risking a very high cost machine, that doesn't guarantee you a killing machine if you can't find the right people to accompany you. I'm not sure of the viability of this, but hopping into someone's vehicle should give the driver the option to add them to their voice channel/squad. This will help facilitate the coordination it should require to dominate the battlefield. Along with this, drivers need the kick function. One that will prevent the kicked person from hopping back in, for at least several minutes, maybe even the duration of the match. yes, we do need lone survivability, why else do we have the ability to personally skilling into tanks ourselves instead having it like BF. its for us personally to use them, if you take away our effectiveness as a lone tanker, you remove the incentive to skill into them. I know I didn't skill into tanks so random people could get in the gunner seat, I skilled into it so I could use it myself I think we'll just have to disagree then. If you want to tank alone, then I think you should run the risk of being solo'd by AV. I certainly don't think that the driver should lose control of the main gun. In fact, I think that if you solo tank, you should be able to quick swap between any available turret. Here is an example of a well coordinated tank against solo AV. WARNING, GRAPHIC CONTENT! Notice his loser friends who didn't skill into AV to help support him.