Just played a game with Ted Nugget of SVER.

Redline sniping...okay, i see that coming from a mile away from tanks.

Decides to stop redline sniping, switch to missile tank.

I switch to proto Ishukone FG with prof 5.

8 Forge gun hits later....hes chugging along, with full health a few seconds afterwards....as if i didn't exist.

Yea....tanks seriously need a buff.

Ass holes.

What makes ted one of the best tankers in the game, cause he can flip on a few modules and become invincible while he hides behind a hill to rep at a crazy amount

And sorry, 1 tank = 1 infantry player. 1 object for 1 object. You have a single tank operated by a single person (excluding those in turrets which can't actually maneuver the tank). You can move this death-squad on wheels by yourself and it is in a single location. And you want a minimum of 3 AV players to take it out? LOL. Yeah, the chances of 3 dedicated AV players all in the prime spot to take out a tank and somehow manage to avoid all the infantry players who shoot on sight when a red is in range... not good.

Also you think it should be a 3:1 ratio? You do realize that when an infantry player uses AV they are useless against other infantry players? (forge is the small exception). So if there is 2 tanks in the game, that means 6 infantry players are now out of the loop and hunting vehicles only.

With a 16 v 16 game, that means it's really 16 vs 10 (and two tanks on the enemy team). Yeah, ok buddy

Void Echo, I'm curious to know how you think it's balanced if it requires 3 people to take out 1 tanker. That effectively takes three people off the field to combat the one person in the tank. Why is it necessary that a solo tank requires multiple people to kill?

I would understand it if each person in the HAV roughly meant another AV specialist required, but only if they were specced into vehicles as well. (Side note on this - I can't believe CCP still aren't working on vehicle locks.)

So I have a question - Do you think it should take multiple AV specialists to destroy one HAV with one pilot in, or do you think that it should be reserved for when you have multiple people in the tank?
If you think it should take multiple AV per solo HAV, could you explain what balances that, in your eyes?

Okay, I'm game for this part of child's play.

For someone who isn't fully specced into Forge Guns, Swarms launchers and Plasma cannons, you sure act like you know everything about them.

See how easy it is to play a child's game?

Is your next attempt going to point out that I'm in the Amarr Templars Corp?

Yes, the Heavy suit hasn't been nerfed, The Forge gun was always registering hits correctly, and they didn't completely butcher the HMG from its previous glory, and I've only been waiting for armor to get buffed for...what, 8 months? Gotcha.

And yea man, someone has to do something! You know how to program and develop games right?

Give CCP a hand and start emailing them your code.

And there you have it.

Activision is waiting with their arms open. You're obviously on the wrong game.

Wow... Oh my.... LOL.

Tankers from this forum only go to skirmish and domination, wow, boy I wish that was the case. Actually, tanks go to ambush for little risk and high reward, it is where they are the most powerful in this game. And they are absolutely destroying that mode.

If you tank and only play skirmish and domination, you are somebody I can respect. But the douche tankers who frequent ambush are one of the bigger problems with tanks in this game. I see many well-known tankers from this forum in bush, and quite a lot from the D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E alliance and SVER too.

Well AV players currently have to be in a squad to take on players such as Ted Nugget and his tank, so why can tankers solo it and not us?

I've blasted you with one PROTO AV fit. Actually, I've done that to all the good ones i know of.

ted nugget is awesome
once a long time ago i saw him in a lav and i was going to fg him but stopped and watched him flying off huge jumps lol

It's a TEAM GAME. What's the point of having tanks, if tanks are no more powerful than a regular infantry unit? The trade off is, of course, that the OTHER TEAM should also have tanks on the field as well. If 1 Tank vs 1 Infantry is a straight up fight, then why bring the tank in? It brings no advantage for the team, and there's no reason to spend the insane amount of SP and ISK required to field the thing in the first place.

The biggest problem with people making the argument that you are making, is that you guys all view all game balance from a 1v1 lonewolf perspective... for a game that's based around Squads, Teams, and Corporations. This isn't Rambo: The Game, it's a game set in the Eve universe made by the people who make Eve. The idea is to band together a group of people, with various specialties that augment and offset each other, and using that combined might to kick the ass of the other guys.

I don't use tanks. I'm not skilled into them. I'm not interested in skilling into them. Still, I think they should absolutely be big bad mean motherfuckers. When the enemy team brings down a tank, your team needs to get their **** together and handle it, and it shouldn't be as easy as one guy standing on a ledge firing across the map at it either.

Does that mean that the guys who spend the crazy amount of SP and ISK on their tanks are going to be powerful as hell when they are in that tank? Yes. Does that mean their KDRs will be better than the average infantry guy? Yes.

Big Deal.

It's asymmetrical gameplay, and it's what could actually set Dust 514 apart from the other games that are mostly concerned with making everyone feel "equal" and thus making all decisions equally pointless.