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TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2890	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:24:00 - [1] - Quote With the new anti-AFK measures, you're forcing us to either play or go home now. Problem is that I don't want to spend close to ten hours playing to cap out every week, which turns into thirty hours between me and my alts. That's close to a full time jobs worth of time I have to put in. Keep the soft cap at 1k, but let us gain our 190k bonus faster. Post here with your support / opposition to this idea. Or, y'know, you could put in that rollover system that you let us vote for.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2890	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:28:00 - [2] - Quote DS 10 wrote: You're kidding, right? Of course you should have to play to cap. Stop being a scrub that expects SP to be given without earning it. I work full time. To have to put another ten hours into a game (times three) to keep running with the group is a bit ridiculous.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2892	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:33:00 - [3] - Quote Fine, I'll concede that capping every week isn't a requirement. I would still like to see a rollover SP system implemented, though. CCP let us vote on this back in January, it was "in the works" for a long time, then recently we heard that there are no plans to put it in. I'd like to know what happened to the idea they put out to the community.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2892	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:34:00 - [4] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: AFK ruined the game for many people, did people not think that this issue wouldn't be addressed? I agree, however this is going about it the wrong way. Make people actually want to play instead of forcing them to. Give the players content that would make them excited about jumping out of the MCC. I'd also like to throw out there that the players are smarter than the devs. Regardless of the system that is implemented, the players will find exploits. If it's a fun game, less people will be driven to find these exploits and instead will play the game.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2893	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:41:00 - [5] - Quote I have edited the OP to reflect on my change of heart on the cap issue. Coleman Gray wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: AFK ruined the game for many people, did people not think that this issue wouldn't be addressed? I agree, however this is going about it the wrong way. Make people actually want to play instead of forcing them to. Give the players content that would make them excited about jumping out of the MCC. I'd also like to throw out there that the players are smarter than the devs. Regardless of the system that is implemented, the players will find exploits. If it's a fun game, less people will be driven to find these exploits and instead will play the game. I understand your issue, RL intervenes and we can't all hit the cap every week (I gave up on my alts) however, if you had the time to start a match to AFK in, then surely you have the time to play it? since you only have to return in 15-30 mins anyway to set up another match However I do strongly agree to the roll over system, it means that people who work alot who finally get X days of rest can play dust alot if they choose to and not worry about eventually only being able to earn 1000 sp/game Fair enough. I also run two Eve subscriptions while Dust is going in the back. Maybe I could just fire up my mining lasers during a match.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2893	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:46:00 - [6] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: With the new anti-AFK measures, you're forcing us to either play or go home now. Problem is that I don't want to spend close to ten hours playing to cap out every week, which turns into thirty hours between me and my alts. That's close to a full time jobs worth of time I have to put in. Keep the soft cap at 1k, but let us gain our 190k bonus faster. Post here with your support / opposition to this idea. Or, y'know, you could put in that rollover system that you let us vote for. EDIT: I will concede to the point that capping every week is not a requirement. I would still like to see a rollover SP system implemented, though. CCP let us vote on this back in January, it was "in the works" for a long time, then recently we heard that there are no plans to put it in. I'd like to know what happened to the idea they put out to the community. how dare a game developer incentivize playing their game by giving you rewards for playing it! THE NERVE! seriously though, the bottom line is people who play more deserve more reward, remember its just a game, its not the most important thing in the world. if you don't have that kind of time to invest in a game, consider yourself lucky for having a real life... let us basement dwellers feel some sense of shallow accomplishment for our investment... I would argue about your use of the word "incentivize". If they wanted to incentivize playing, they would make active SP accrue much faster than passive SP, rather than force you to play for your passive SP or get nothing at all. *Please note, however, that I have already conceded to the fact that capping every week isn't a requirement, and have since abandoned that idea.*
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2895	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:51:00 - [7] - Quote We are 138 wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: With the new anti-AFK measures, you're forcing us to either play or go home now. Problem is that I don't want to spend close to ten hours playing to cap out every week, which turns into thirty hours between me and my alts. That's close to a full time jobs worth of time I have to put in. Keep the soft cap at 1k, but let us gain our 190k bonus faster. Post here with your support / opposition to this idea. Or, y'know, you could put in that rollover system that you let us vote for. EDIT: I will concede to the point that capping every week is not a requirement. I would still like to see a rollover SP system implemented, though. CCP let us vote on this back in January, it was "in the works" for a long time, then recently we heard that there are no plans to put it in. I'd like to know what happened to the idea they put out to the community. Normally I enjoy your posts, but this is bad you sound like a spoiled child. They took away your AFK so your gonna cry because you have to play the game like the rest of us. Really? Tell us why you deserve things for free? You run your mouth a lot on the forums... So what. HTFU and play the game, I'll see you on the battle field where I have always been..... The problem is that they're addressing the issue the wrong way. The game should be made fun and enjoyable first and foremost, making people that would actually seek out this type of exploit few in number.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2895	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:52:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: With the new anti-AFK measures, you're forcing us to either play or go home now. Problem is that I don't want to spend close to ten hours playing to cap out every week, which turns into thirty hours between me and my alts. That's close to a full time jobs worth of time I have to put in. Keep the soft cap at 1k, but let us gain our 190k bonus faster. Post here with your support / opposition to this idea. Or, y'know, you could put in that rollover system that you let us vote for. EDIT: I will concede to the point that capping every week is not a requirement. I would still like to see a rollover SP system implemented, though. CCP let us vote on this back in January, it was "in the works" for a long time, then recently we heard that there are no plans to put it in. I'd like to know what happened to the idea they put out to the community. When did they say they don't plan to implement it? I remember a post saying it was taking them forever - which is obvious - but I hadn't seen one about scrapping the idea. Could you post a quote here for us? I never have any luck with the damn search function. Linky
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2896	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:03:00 - [9] - Quote We are 138 wrote: pig. No man, wrong wrong wrong. Assh*les will try to find exploits and NOT play the game AND actively seek to ruin others fun so nope. maybe they are going about it THE RIGHT way and you just feel entitled to something you don't deserve. They are going to be giving us points just to log in let me guess step in the wrong direction? get off your soap box and shut your mouth for once jeez You should know that I find it hard to keep my mouth shut, and my soap box is actually quite cozy. Firstly, the daily reward system is a fairly nice addition to the game. This draws people in at least once a day, which might have them decide to stay on for a few matches, bolstering the numbers. I also much prefer this over a system that gives you some garbage item every day. Please don't try to assume you know my stance on everything. Secondly, is there something wrong with me advocating for a more fun and immersive gaming experience? If you look at my posts, I'm trying to say that CCP should counter the current player apathy with fun. Bring the game to a state where jumping out of the MCC and romping through the sand is fun, instead of the fairly limited lobby shooter we have now.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2896	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:07:00 - [10] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: I thought you were a fanboy Pig...why you don't wanna play the game? If you feel the game is boring why not take a break? There's always passive SP you know. -XOXO Tbh, I don't know where people gather that I'm a fanboy. I still point out flaws and offer suggestions, I just don't word every thread as a doomsayer would :v I know there's still passive SP, I just feel that the way they're going about this is wrong. I'd prefer a fun game that makes me want to play over what we have now. I probably will end up dropping the game though. It's hard to run two Eve subs while playing Dust unless I'm mining, which isn't that great of an ISK-maker.

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2896	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:09:00 - [11] - Quote We are 138 wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: We are 138 wrote: pig. No man, wrong wrong wrong. Assh*les will try to find exploits and NOT play the game AND actively seek to ruin others fun so nope. maybe they are going about it THE RIGHT way and you just feel entitled to something you don't deserve. They are going to be giving us points just to log in let me guess step in the wrong direction? get off your soap box and shut your mouth for once jeez You should know that I find it hard to keep my mouth shut, and my soap box is actually quite cozy. Firstly, the daily reward system is a fairly nice addition to the game. This draws people in at least once a day, which might have them decide to stay on for a few matches, bolstering the numbers. I also much prefer this over a system that gives you some garbage item every day. Please don't try to assume you know my stance on everything. Secondly, is there something wrong with me advocating for a more fun and immersive gaming experience? If you look at my posts, I'm trying to say that CCP should counter the current player apathy with fun. Bring the game to a state where jumping out of the MCC and romping through the sand is fun, instead of the fairly limited lobby shooter we have now. Sorry, I get fired up man. apologies. No worries bro.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2896	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:10:00 - [12] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: If you don't want to cap out every week then just don't. Nobody forces you to. Please read my OP edit, where I state that I have already conceded to this point.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2896	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:28:00 - [13] - Quote Ren Ratner wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Let me cap in 1 day so i dont have deal with super OP swarms Remember, rail tanking is gonna be more difficult now. Watch these redline snipers and rail tanks get booted from matches for being afk... I can just see the tears now. Why would they be booted from matches? I've seen nothing that indicates this. Driving and firing a tank is a "PVP action". Show me a dev post that states otherwise. In the 1.4 patch notes thread, one of the devs said that they'll get back to us on what a "PvP action" is. Although I do hope that it involves watching redline tanks disappearing mid-match.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2901	Posted - 2013.08.23 21:09:00 - [14] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: With the new anti-AFK measures, you're forcing us to either play or go home now. Problem is that I don't want to spend close to ten hours playing to cap out every week, which turns into thirty hours between me and my alts. That's close to a full time jobs worth of time I have to put in. Keep the soft cap at 1k, but let us gain our 190k bonus faster. Post here with your support / opposition to this idea. Or, y'know, you could put in that rollover system that you let us vote for. EDIT: I will concede to the point that capping every week is not a requirement. I would still like to see a rollover SP system implemented, though. CCP let us vote on this back in January, it was "in the works" for a long time, then recently we heard that there are no plans to put it in. I'd like to know what happened to the idea they put out to the community. how dare a game developer incentivize playing their game by giving you rewards for playing it! THE NERVE! seriously though, the bottom line is people who play more deserve more reward, remember its just a game, its not the most important thing in the world. if you don't have that kind of time to invest in a game, consider yourself lucky for having a real life... let us basement dwellers feel some sense of shallow accomplishment for our investment... I would argue about your use of the word "incentivize". If they wanted to incentivize playing, they would make active SP accrue much faster than passive SP, rather than force you to play for your passive SP or get nothing at all. *Please note, however, that I have already conceded to the fact that capping every week isn't a requirement, and have since abandoned that idea.* how would this entice people to play more often? wouldn't this incentivize people to play less often, since they cap quicker? by your logic, having it take so long to accrue your sp for the week makes the game a grind that is not fun...correct me if im misunderstanding you. I do understand there is a demographic fitting this profile, however there is a healthy population of people who enjoy the game as well. what you describe is instant gratification....CCP doesn't make that kind of game. its not just about gaining sp and pub stomping if that's all your doing, then its understandable if you feel the game is grindy and unfun. you however don't just do that, your on the forms quite a bit, you either don't realize or have forgotten youre playing the game right now...aren't you having fun? What I'm trying to point out is that the way CCP is going about fixing the AFK issue isn't going to be the most effective route. They are treating the symptoms of a broken system and poor experience rather than address the issues. After this patch goes through, there is nothing stopping people from finding the next exploit, aside from the time it would take to find them. The only way to actually make a significant dent in this practice is to bring the game to the point where the game is fun and immersive enough that fewer people will want to seek exploits. The players are smarter than the developers. There is no questioning that. This patch may be "rubber band proof", but there are ways around it. People will search for these ways, then share them with others. We will be back to where we are now given enough time.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2901	Posted - 2013.08.23 21:42:00 - [15] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: TheAmazing wrote: ....this patch goes through, there is nothing stopping people from finding the next exploit, aside from the time it would take to find them. The only way to actually make a significant dent in this practice is to bring the game to the point where the game is fun and immersive enough that fewer people will want to seek exploits. The players are smarter than the developers. There is no questioning that. This patch may be "rubber band proof", but there are ways around it. People will search for these ways, then share them with others. We will be back to where we are now given enough time. just because someone is able to find a flaw in a program, doesn't make them smarter. both the programmer and the hacker are smart, and many can do each others job efficiently. that's like saying because ive killed you before in game im better than you...its ridiculous. in fact! finding exploits in games are what some people do for fun.... and more power to them! in the end their work makes games better. you expect perfection in a world where such a thing cannot exist outside the confines of our own minds... I as much as you have had issue with the way CCP handles a variety of things, but to expect others to be flawless when I cannot accomplish this myself would be setting myself up to be let down by everyone and everything. all we can expect from CCP is to handle problems when they occur...if you cant accept that then perhaps you've simply out grown this game, or need a break.... I am not expecting perfection. What I'm advocating for are patches that contain content and fixes that make the game fun enough to the point that the number of people that search for exploits and that actually use them drop. I'm asking that CCP make the game fun so people won't want to AFK. I realize that not every solution is perfect, and there will always be those that will seek to exploit the game in any way, but by focusing on making the game fun, we may have less people exploit hunting and more people willfully playing.