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Poplo Furuya wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Bendtner92 wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

@Obi Wan-Jacobi

You just went full stupid. You can't go full stupid.

Read the patch notes again and read it carefully. Look at the calculations. From what we can gather from the notes, you will NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL 9000 DAMAGE IN A SECOND, YOU HAVE TO RE-LOCK AFTER EVERY SHOT AND THE LOCKING TIME HAS BEEN INCREASED. Oh look, my caps lock slipped again.

I think it was you that just went full stupid and maybe you need to read the notes again.

It clearly says the skill now gives reduced lock-on time, which means the Swarm Launcher will have less lock-on time than it currently has.

It's able to fire 3 shots in 4 seconds. That's just terribad.

Let's see.

* The Swarm Launcher Operation skill bonus has been changed from increasing the clip size to reducing the lock-on time by 5%
* Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

Assuming level 5 on the skill book, that will reduce lock-on time to 1.05 seconds. Then there is the interval of 0.3 seconds. Yeah, about 3 shots in less than 4 seconds like you said. But keep in mind that is assuming every rocket in the volley hits. Most of the tanks that I see often use cover and often times a few of the rockets hit the hills or rocky spires before they reach their target.

But then again, we are talking NON-proto tanks here. We have no idea what kind of HPs the Proto-tanks will have when they come out.

Your scenario is assuming a head-on AV to HAV engagement. In this case it's about threat, not whether you can destroy the HAV. Limiting their engagement possibilities. At the moment Swarms do this, post-change they still will. This is not the scenario this change impacts most heavily.

Another scenario, a speedy Medium or Scout taking the long route to offload on a HAV 'safely' behind their lines with no immediate escape route to block AV to HAV LoS. This new change will give Wiyrkomis an incredible alpha, 3 salvos impacting within 4 seconds of each other. In practice this means far more damage makes it in before active hardeners activate or reppers begin pulsing... this might equate to some of the best armour tankers getting toasted by one person's surprise attack before any real reaction is possible.

Alternately the same thing but from a tower, Swarms from above negate most cover. If an armour HAV notices this ahead of time their only recourse is to pick a god and pray they can recall before the 3 salvos make it.

Seriously, their potential with this change is utterly incredible.


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Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 147	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:24:00 - [1] - Quote Marcos Vega wrote: 0bi wan-jacobi wrote: Swarms will basically shoot three volleys in one second instapopping any armor tank before they can even react. This is THE stupidest thing i have seen from ccp in all my time on dust. This is one swarmer that will put out like 9000 damage in a second. ** if there two swarmers, just lol. I dont care about the rest of the update. I dont get to enjoy the rest because ill be in a armor tank getting my pushed in. Now ill have too wait a month until this gets fixed. CCP wonders why we get pissed off when they dont tell us about the update. ITS BECAUSE WE DONT WANT STUPID ** LIKE THIS IN THE GAME. Swarms break lock between shots It's hard for him to rage if he actually read and understood what he read.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 147	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:48:00 - [2] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Obi Wan-Jacobi You just went full stupid. You can't go full stupid. Read the patch notes again and read it carefully. Look at the calculations. From what we can gather from the notes, you will NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL 9000 DAMAGE IN A SECOND, YOU HAVE TO RE-LOCK AFTER EVERY SHOT AND THE LOCKING TIME HAS BEEN INCREASED. Oh look, my caps lock slipped again. I think it was you that just went full stupid and maybe you need to read the notes again. It clearly says the skill now gives reduced lock-on time, which means the Swarm Launcher will have less lock-on time than it currently has. It's able to fire 3 shots in 4 seconds. That's just terribad. Let's see. * The Swarm Launcher Operation skill bonus has been changed from increasing the clip size to reducing the lock-on time by 5% * Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3 Assuming level 5 on the skill book, that will reduce lock-on time to 1.05 seconds. Then there is the interval of 0.3 seconds. Yeah, about 3 shots in less than 4 seconds like you said. But keep in mind that is assuming every rocket in the volley hits. Most of the tanks that I see often use cover and often times a few of the rockets hit the hills or rocky spires before they reach their target. But then again, we are talking NON-proto tanks here. We have no idea what kind of HPs the Proto-tanks will have when they come out. Your scenario is assuming a head-on AV to HAV engagement. In this case it's about threat, not whether you can destroy the HAV. Limiting their engagement possibilities. At the moment Swarms do this, post-change they still will. This is not the scenario this change impacts most heavily. Another scenario, a speedy Medium or Scout taking the long route to offload on a HAV 'safely' behind their lines with no immediate escape route to block AV to HAV LoS. This new change will give Wiyrkomis an incredible alpha, 3 salvos impacting within 4 seconds of each other. In practice this means far more damage makes it in before active hardeners activate or reppers begin pulsing... this might equate to some of the best armour tankers getting toasted by one person's surprise attack before any real reaction is possible. Alternately the same thing but from a tower, Swarms from above negate most cover. If an armour HAV notices this ahead of time their only recourse is to pick a god and pray they can recall before the 3 salvos make it. Seriously, their potential with this change is utterly incredible. I think the larger point here is that HAVs are NOT meant to operate without support. Maybe CCP wants a 1-to-1 engagement to end poorly for the HAV to make the point that HAVs are like--for lack of a better analogy--a Capital ship that operates with a support group. The support here are other Mercs.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 149	Posted - 2013.08.23 19:04:00 - [3] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Yea okay let me get the entire team to build a wall of mercs to stop the swarms from doing an alpha strike Whatever you gotta do, man! Me, I'd probably, I dunno....maybe have my support shoot the guy with the SL.