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DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
777
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:17:00 -
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* Removed rotation modifier on heavy frames - all frames can now rotate at the same speed
* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)
* All handheld weapon reload skills now have a cost multiplier of x3 (down from x6) and their skill book ISK price reduced to 203,000 from 774,000
* All heavy weapon reload skills now provide a 5% bonus, up from 3%
* The Forge Gun, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher, and Plasma Cannon ammo skills now provide 1 extra unit of ammo for each level of the skill (for a maximum of 5) instead of a % bonus per level
* The HMG Operation skill bonus has been changed from reducing heat build-up to reducing recoil by 5% per level
* Overhauled, retuned and reactivated aim assists for the control pad
* Fixed a bug that was making dropsuit strafe speeds too fast
I know some of these things affect other roles, but I believe they are huge improvements for Heavies as well. The biggest improvement is the turn speed buff. It will make HMG wielding heavies the CQC beasts they should be. |

Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3240
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:26:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:* Removed rotation modifier on heavy frames - all frames can now rotate at the same speed
* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)
* All handheld weapon reload skills now have a cost multiplier of x3 (down from x6) and their skill book ISK price reduced to 203,000 from 774,000
* All heavy weapon reload skills now provide a 5% bonus, up from 3%
* The Forge Gun, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher, and Plasma Cannon ammo skills now provide 1 extra unit of ammo for each level of the skill (for a maximum of 5) instead of a % bonus per level
* The HMG Operation skill bonus has been changed from reducing heat build-up to reducing recoil by 5% per level
* Overhauled, retuned and reactivated aim assists for the control pad
* Fixed a bug that was making dropsuit strafe speeds too fast
I know some of these things affect other roles, but I believe they are huge improvements for Heavies as well. The biggest improvement is the turn speed buff. It will make HMG wielding heavies the CQC beasts they should be. No more watching that Assault Suit dance around you and cut you down with his AR. |

mini rehak
The Southern Legion
67
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:29:00 -
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For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one. |

DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
781
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:37:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one.
It will take a day or so to adjust to the turn speed, but once you get used to it, your scores should dramatically increase. |

stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
476
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:41:00 -
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The nerf hammer will return when proto heavies are going 30 kills a match again. |

IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
335
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:44:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:The nerf hammer will return when proto heavies are going 30 kills a match again.
Probably.
I'm gonna try the assault Forge Gun on my alt, with the new turn speed it could become even more overpowered.
--- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies |

Cy Clone1
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
219
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:46:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:mini rehak wrote:For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one. It will take a day or so to adjust to the turn speed, but once you get used to it, your scores should dramatically increase.
wasn't the turn speed only for mouse and keyboard? |

DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
785
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:11:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:DS 10 wrote:mini rehak wrote:For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one. It will take a day or so to adjust to the turn speed, but once you get used to it, your scores should dramatically increase. wasn't the turn speed only for mouse and keyboard?
Nope. All heavies had less turn speed than other suits. |

Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3247
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:13:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:DS 10 wrote:mini rehak wrote:For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one. It will take a day or so to adjust to the turn speed, but once you get used to it, your scores should dramatically increase. wasn't the turn speed only for mouse and keyboard? Nope. All heavies had less turn speed than other suits. It was supposed to be a balance factor, but it ended up being too much of a penalty. You can't take a suit that already can't move worth crap and then make it slow as dirt.
Now they should be more able to compete, rather than just being turrets you leave on objectives. |

TunRa
Gravity Prone EoN.
69
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:18:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:The nerf hammer will return when proto heavies are going 30 kills a match again. That's what AR users already do, look at them! |
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Shruikan Iceeye
Brotherhood of Seals
6
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:08:00 -
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Guys what does "PC" mean? |

DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
795
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:10:00 -
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Shruikan Iceeye wrote:Guys what does "PC" mean?
Personal computer.
Politically correct.
Pringles can.
Planetary Conquest. (You probably mean this one) |

God Hates Lags
Red Star. EoN.
28
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:10:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:* Removed rotation modifier on heavy frames - all frames can now rotate at the same speed
* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)
* All handheld weapon reload skills now have a cost multiplier of x3 (down from x6) and their skill book ISK price reduced to 203,000 from 774,000
* All heavy weapon reload skills now provide a 5% bonus, up from 3%
* The Forge Gun, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher, and Plasma Cannon ammo skills now provide 1 extra unit of ammo for each level of the skill (for a maximum of 5) instead of a % bonus per level
* The HMG Operation skill bonus has been changed from reducing heat build-up to reducing recoil by 5% per level
* Overhauled, retuned and reactivated aim assists for the control pad
* Fixed a bug that was making dropsuit strafe speeds too fast
I know some of these things affect other roles, but I believe they are huge improvements for Heavies as well. The biggest improvement is the turn speed buff. It will make HMG wielding heavies the CQC beasts they should be.
The Forge Gun one is actually a nerf to charging time, which I can live with. Other than that yeah, this Update excites me. |

HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
3545
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:15:00 -
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has no one noticed that they are removing the heat build up skill tree/ you guys do remember without it maxed out you overheat all the damn time then you are locked out of sidearm nades and are vulnerable for 8 seconds.
I would like to know more on what level they are leaving the overheat cause if it it is back to basic levels I think 95- 120 shots then you over heat. this would be annoying and be a huge nerf to hmg. |

The Infected One
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
520
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:15:00 -
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Shruikan Iceeye wrote:Guys what does "PC" mean? Personal computer? Presidents choice? Premerital coitus?
No idea.
Maybe Planetary conquest. |

Shruikan Iceeye
Brotherhood of Seals
6
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:16:00 -
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Don't be a **** man. I'm not part of a big corp. |

Shruikan Iceeye
Brotherhood of Seals
6
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:21:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:Shruikan Iceeye wrote:Guys what does "PC" mean? Personal computer? Presidents choice? Premerital coitus? No idea. Maybe Planetary conquest. But thanks lol ^_^ |

Julius Vindice
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
269
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:24:00 -
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Shruikan Iceeye wrote:Guys what does "PC" mean? psychologically challenged
Oh wait it's not about me... probably Player Character or Planetary Conquest |

DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
799
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:31:00 -
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God Hates Lags wrote:DS 10 wrote:* Removed rotation modifier on heavy frames - all frames can now rotate at the same speed
* Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)
* All handheld weapon reload skills now have a cost multiplier of x3 (down from x6) and their skill book ISK price reduced to 203,000 from 774,000
* All heavy weapon reload skills now provide a 5% bonus, up from 3%
* The Forge Gun, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher, and Plasma Cannon ammo skills now provide 1 extra unit of ammo for each level of the skill (for a maximum of 5) instead of a % bonus per level
* The HMG Operation skill bonus has been changed from reducing heat build-up to reducing recoil by 5% per level
* Overhauled, retuned and reactivated aim assists for the control pad
* Fixed a bug that was making dropsuit strafe speeds too fast
I know some of these things affect other roles, but I believe they are huge improvements for Heavies as well. The biggest improvement is the turn speed buff. It will make HMG wielding heavies the CQC beasts they should be. The Forge Gun one is actually a nerf to charging time, which I can live with. Other than that yeah, this Update excites me.
Where do you see anything about a charge time nerf? |

Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
768
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:39:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one. I think it will make watching your heat much more important. I've honestly never seen a hmg overheat. |
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NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:39:00 -
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HEAVY LOVE YEEEE |

NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:44:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:has no one noticed that they are removing the heat build up skill tree/ you guys do remember without it maxed out you overheat all the damn time then you are locked out of sidearm nades and are vulnerable for 8 seconds.
I would like to know more on what level they are leaving the overheat cause if it it is back to basic levels I think 95- 120 shots then you over heat. this would be annoying and be a huge nerf to hmg.
LOL what heavy overheats.... |

mini rehak
The Southern Legion
68
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:47:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:mini rehak wrote:For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one. It will take a day or so to adjust to the turn speed, but once you get used to it, your scores should dramatically increase. Well I use KB/M and I do play around with every dropsuit so I think with the changes they are doing to the mouse It will be perfect . |

mini rehak
The Southern Legion
68
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:53:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:has no one noticed that they are removing the heat build up skill tree/ you guys do remember without it maxed out you overheat all the damn time then you are locked out of sidearm nades and are vulnerable for 8 seconds.
I would like to know more on what level they are leaving the overheat cause if it it is back to basic levels I think 95- 120 shots then you over heat. this would be annoying and be a huge nerf to hmg. Well you got to remember as you go up the tiers the overheat is lessened, so you would be able to get more shots off with an MH-82 than you can with the basic. I think if you use adv/pro the overheat would not be a problem. |

HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
3545
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:55:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:has no one noticed that they are removing the heat build up skill tree/ you guys do remember without it maxed out you overheat all the damn time then you are locked out of sidearm nades and are vulnerable for 8 seconds.
I would like to know more on what level they are leaving the overheat cause if it it is back to basic levels I think 95- 120 shots then you over heat. this would be annoying and be a huge nerf to hmg. Well you got to remember as you go up the tiers the overheat is lessened, so you would be able to get more shots off with an MH-82 than you can with the basic. I think if you use adv/pro the overheat would not be a problem. \ except that skill has now been removed and the bonus is gone so we are back to the beginner level of overheat without the 5 teirs to lessen them.
all heavise know that before you skilled that tree up the thing over heats early and often. |

Jake Bloodworth
DUST University Ivy League
87
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:58:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:The nerf hammer will return when proto heavies are going 30 kills a match again.
30 kills a match is pretty normal at this point. I'm looking forward to my first 50 hmg only kill match. |

mini rehak
The Southern Legion
68
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:19:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:mini rehak wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:has no one noticed that they are removing the heat build up skill tree/ you guys do remember without it maxed out you overheat all the damn time then you are locked out of sidearm nades and are vulnerable for 8 seconds.
I would like to know more on what level they are leaving the overheat cause if it it is back to basic levels I think 95- 120 shots then you over heat. this would be annoying and be a huge nerf to hmg. Well you got to remember as you go up the tiers the overheat is lessened, so you would be able to get more shots off with an MH-82 than you can with the basic. I think if you use adv/pro the overheat would not be a problem. \ except that skill has now been removed and the bonus is gone so we are back to the beginner level of overheat without the 5 teirs to lessen them. all heavise know that before you skilled that tree up the thing over heats early and often. Looking at stats without operation skill
Basic HMG- GÇïHeat Build-Up Per Second -14.0 MH-82- Heat Build-Up Per Second -13.3 Boundless- Heat Build-Up Per Second- 11.9 So even without the skill there is still less buildup as you go up the tiers. |

DAMIOS82
Unkn0wn Killers
24
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:34:00 -
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I agree, most people think ow yes a buff, but what they are not realising is that ccp just turned the hmg in a burst weapon. No longer will a heavy be able to unload his/her clip in one go, no longer will it be an area supressing weapon. After so many seconds your hmg will go into overheat and you still get shot easier, since your stuck with that 8 sec animation every so many sec.
The damage hasn't increased to counter it, all you get is the ability to have more bullets hit. ow yes yippie....Sure instead of having 100 out of 400 hitting you might have 200 out of 400 bullets hitting, but hey won't do you much good if you can only empty a tenth of you're clip every time. ow sorry i'm using a proto hmg, ow yes now i'm a god since it's a quarter of my clip now instead of a tenth.
But hey why worry ccp just gave a mini buff to turning speed, atleast they won't be running circles around you anymore. And since you can't kill so fast or at all for that matter, ccp decides to give us hvy's a mini buff to armor, atleast that way you might be able to get a 2 sec window to escape your death sentence if your lucky or give the gang of red berry's around you atleast a few more seconds of laughter, while you trie to play the game hit the mole without the hammer.
trust me this is not as possitive as one might think, we hvy's just got nerfed again, no matter what way you put it. The suit might have had a buff, but the hmg got nerfed. |

Frank Olson Usul
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:35:00 -
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Where did you get all that information? It's not in the devblog? |

mini rehak
The Southern Legion
68
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:43:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:Where did you get all that information? It's not in the devblog? It's right on the fitting screen in game. I'm not sure if they will change it or not but it's the current stats. |
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Frank Olson Usul
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.08.24 05:47:00 -
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The handheld weapon reload skills being cheaper etc.that can't be in the fitting screen. Where did you get all the info from the first post in this thread? 1.4 isn't live so how would you see it ingame already? |

Lorhak Gannarsein
DUST University Ivy League
206
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:16:00 -
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Frank Olson Usul wrote:The handheld weapon reload skills being cheaper etc.that can't be in the fitting screen. Where did you get all the info from the first post in this thread? 1.4 isn't live so how would you see it ingame already?
Apparently path notes are up.havent looked for them myself, so can't link, but apparently they're there. |

Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
293
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:19:00 -
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God Hates Lags wrote:The Forge Gun one is actually a nerf to charging time, which I can live with. Other than that yeah, this Update excites me. The change is to the ammo skill not Forge Gun Operation. I thought the same thing at first. |

Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
293
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:22:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:* All heavy weapon reload skills now provide a 5% bonus, up from 3% I'm glad the reloading skill is finally relevant. A shame that CCP didn't change Light and Sidearm skills to that as well. |

castba
Penguin's March
84
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:36:00 -
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Hmg will be great to use now. Overheat? Easy to avoid currently but with the target assist for the ds3, mouse restrictions removed and the suits turn speed increased hmg heavies will be able to target more accurately (and faster) than now which means less pray and spray and less time actually firing to kill.
At least that's how I see it working... |

castba
Penguin's March
84
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:38:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:DS 10 wrote:* All heavy weapon reload skills now provide a 5% bonus, up from 3% I'm glad the reloading skill is finally relevant. A shame that CCP didn't change Light and Sidearm skills to that as well. As if light and sidearm weapons need faster reload speeds. |

Frank Olson Usul
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:41:00 -
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This is the only link that I can find to 1.4 that is content-related (http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/08/uprising-1.4-and-beyond) and it doesn't list ANY of that information. Can you guys plz link the source of all those patchnotes? |

Frank Olson Usul
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:46:00 -
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Aaah, got it. Didn't know that patchnotes are released under "General Discussions"
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1210968#post1210968 |

THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
151
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:53:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:mini rehak wrote:For me it's the armor plate buff. More armor+less speed penalty=happy fatty. I want to see how the HMG will act with the skill change, I'm kinda on the fence about that one. I think it will make watching your heat much more important. I've honestly never seen a hmg overheat. Only time I have is when I would run the burst HMG. |

hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
229
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Posted - 2013.08.24 06:57:00 -
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They already are the CQC beasts they should be... see a heavy in close combat? You have any suit on? Ok bye!
Seriously I run basic heavy frame, basic HMG, and a complex damage mod on an alt, and in close (sometimes to mid) ranges, I push anyones **** in. |
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Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.24 08:09:00 -
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I'm not so sure about the HMG "buff." Recoil is very easy to manage but the massive spread is still there; sure it doesn't exist if you have the gun shoved up their ass but still seems like they're taking away one useless thing only to give us another. Could be wrong though... only time will tell~ |

Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles
394
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Posted - 2013.08.24 08:44:00 -
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nice to see that heavies are happy. |
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